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Obi 1 Kanobi
#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:01:11 PM
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By advocating the ban of Kadhi courts out of islamophobia and misinformation, is it not christian fundamentalism, is it not similar to the muslim fundamentalism that you claim to be fighting and saving Kenya from.

Somebody quote for me in the bible where jesus directed his desciples and followers to take this path
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
masukuma
#12 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:34:06 PM
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@obi, its not a ban, they can have their courts - OUTSIDE the constitution, what is their loss other than paying directly to its support?
@famooz actually the church has been opposing the courts since 2002 that first draft be4 even Narc took power.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#13 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:25:39 PM
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The constitution is meant to ensure among others equitable distribution of benefits to all kenyans, including to protect minorities. The churches are banking on the arguement that christians are more to intimidate the country into disenfranchising the muslims.

As for paying for the costs of the court, what difference does it make, if the muslims don't have the Kadhi courts to resolve their cases, they will still go to the mainstream courts, so the government will still incur the expense.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
famooz
#14 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:33:56 PM
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@ obi,but my little imagination would think that it would not be an extra cost?
Ngalaka
#15 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:34:46 PM
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brav wrote:
@Ngalaka hii ni nini?

Vuluku ndalika veleke, indi veleke no alike vuluku


It's a signature!!
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Ngalaka
#16 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:41:47 PM
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@Obi 1 Kanobi
How about all the other minorities.
The Hindu, Boharas, traditionalists, Mungikis etc.

Mark you those are only religious minorities.

There are other minorities in other spheres, like what Machange the MP from Kuria has been talking about.
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masukuma
#17 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 4:19:34 PM
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@Ngalaka inform him that the above named dudes have matters of Inheritance, Marriage, Divorce e.t.c. that they handle.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#18 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:09:22 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:

@Obi 1 Kanobi
How about all the other minorities.
The Hindu, Boharas, traditionalists, Mungikis etc.

Mark you those are only religious minorities.

There are other minorities in other spheres, like what Machange the MP from Kuria has been talking about.


@Ngalaka,
I think the point we are missing or choosing to ignore is that Islam comes with a package of going to Mecca (if you can afford), praying 5 times a day, kadhis courts, fasting etc. Accepting their right to worship includes accomodating all the requirements of their religion. (By the way, Muslims are allowed to have 4 wives in the UK, on basis of their religion)

The other minorities you are referring to have also received everything they need to freely worship, as far as I know christians, hindus or bohras do not need a court to completely practise their religion.

Besides, islam does not restrict entry, any kenyan can convert.

As for Machage, his idea of minority starts and ends with his Kuria people, I am not sure I understand why he thinks they are being marginalised, all i know is that he wants them to have their own county, may be my family should also have its own county.
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Brewer
#19 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:17:23 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
.... Accepting their right to worship includes accomodating all the requirements of their religion......


At public cost? All taxpayers' expense?
masukuma
#20 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:24:18 PM
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@Obi, Muslims don't need to have a constitutional court to practice their faith either. Just do a research of how many countries have Kadhi courts or equivalents. For the worlds largest singular religion - they are very very few! ama the Kenyan Muslim is a special brand of Muslims.
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