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Ole Ntimama
kaka2za
#31 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 12:23:14 PM
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masukuma wrote:
my condolences to the family and the Maa and Meru communities. By the way - ilikuwa "antelope" or "envelope"?


It was never clear.It was reported differently and when asked to clarify he said either was applicable.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Caveman
#32 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 12:28:59 PM
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hardwood wrote:
He's currently lying low like an envelope.

I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!!
Impunity
#33 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:37:42 PM
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Caveman wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He's currently lying low like an envelope.

I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!!


Noted, now please head back to cave, caveman.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Lolest!
#34 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 4:39:01 PM
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masukuma wrote:
my condolences to the family and the Maa and Meru communities. By the way - ilikuwa "antelope" or "envelope"?

It doesn't matter. The bottom line:lie low

Ntimama's legacy raises the old question of freedom/rights fighter vs villain

Many prominent Maa including kina Kaikai are mourning him for 'being a leader who fought for his historically marginalised community'
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
hardwood
#35 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 8:25:40 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
masukuma wrote:
my condolences to the family and the Maa and Meru communities. By the way - ilikuwa "antelope" or "envelope"?

It doesn't matter. The bottom line:lie low

Ntimama's legacy raises the old question of freedom/rights fighter vs villain

Many prominent Maa including kina Kaikai are mourning him for 'being a leader who fought for his historically marginalised community'


Are the maasai marginalised? Kajiado is the richest county. They also made sure maasai Mara park is not managed by national gov't but by the county and thus they make billions each year. Why should m aasai Mara be managed by the locals while all other major parks are managed by national govt via kws? Isnt this selfishness?
masukuma
#36 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 9:03:09 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
masukuma wrote:
my condolences to the family and the Maa and Meru communities. By the way - ilikuwa "antelope" or "envelope"?

It doesn't matter. The bottom line:lie low

Ntimama's legacy raises the old question of freedom/rights fighter vs villain

Many prominent Maa including kina Kaikai are mourning him for 'being a leader who fought for his historically marginalised community'


Are the maasai marginalised? Kajiado is the richest county. They also made sure maasai Mara park is not managed by national gov't but by the county and thus they make billions each year. Why should m aasai Mara be managed by the locals while all other major parks are managed by national govt via kws? Isnt this selfishness?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly nikujua kujitetea...kuvuta upande wao... nyinyi wengine ni mafala! unaexpect siku moja waseme... i think we should be like everyone else and give away the management of this thing to others? utangoja sana!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
hardwood
#37 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 9:38:57 PM
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Caveman wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He's currently lying low like an envelope.

I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!!

Why should one mourn someone who organised and celebrated the eviction and killing of innocent kenyans from their homes in enosupukia? These are people who had genuinely bought land from the locals and were going on with their normal lives. Why sell land and pocket the money and then evict or kill the buyer to get your land back? What kind of justice is that? What if people had chased him(Ndimama) from his lavington home and told him to go back to narok?

http://www.the-star.co.k...-camp-at-state_c1001885

Quote:

An estimated 30,000 members of the Kikuyu community were chased from Enosupukia during several days of bloody tribal clashes in October 1993 that left at least 20 people dead.

The then most powerful Masai in the Moi government, Local Government Minister William ole Ntimama, who was seen as the hand behind the evictions, declared the matter all but settled; "The Kikuyu settlers have been driven out, the land returned to its traditional owners - and this one corner of Masailand has, in effect, been ethnically cleansed."

Asked in an interview if the displaced Kikuyu might ever be allowed to return to Enosupukia, Ntimama replied: "No way. They got there illegally. They might as well go back where they came from," meaning traditional Kikuyu farming areas in Kenya's central region. "It's survival, okay?"
Caveman
#38 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 11:55:35 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Caveman wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He's currently lying low like an envelope.

I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!!

Why should one mourn someone who organised and celebrated the eviction and killing of innocent kenyans from their homes in enosupukia? These are people who had genuinely bought land from the locals and were going on with their normal lives. Why sell land and pocket the money and then evict or kill the buyer to get your land back? What kind of justice is that? What if people had chased him(Ndimama) from his lavington home and told him to go back to narok?

http://www.the-star.co.k...-camp-at-state_c1001885

Quote:

An estimated 30,000 members of the Kikuyu community were chased from Enosupukia during several days of bloody tribal clashes in October 1993 that left at least 20 people dead.

The then most powerful Masai in the Moi government, Local Government Minister William ole Ntimama, who was seen as the hand behind the evictions, declared the matter all but settled; "The Kikuyu settlers have been driven out, the land returned to its traditional owners - and this one corner of Masailand has, in effect, been ethnically cleansed."

Asked in an interview if the displaced Kikuyu might ever be allowed to return to Enosupukia, Ntimama replied: "No way. They got there illegally. They might as well go back where they came from," meaning traditional Kikuyu farming areas in Kenya's central region. "It's survival, okay?"

He passed away at 90 years of agesmile i don't think we should mourn. We should celebrate his life.
kaka2za
#39 Posted : Sunday, September 04, 2016 8:36:21 AM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 4,058
Location: Gwitu
Caveman wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Caveman wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He's currently lying low like an envelope.

I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!!

Why should one mourn someone who organised and celebrated the eviction and killing of innocent kenyans from their homes in enosupukia? These are people who had genuinely bought land from the locals and were going on with their normal lives. Why sell land and pocket the money and then evict or kill the buyer to get your land back? What kind of justice is that? What if people had chased him(Ndimama) from his lavington home and told him to go back to narok?

http://www.the-star.co.k...-camp-at-state_c1001885

Quote:

An estimated 30,000 members of the Kikuyu community were chased from Enosupukia during several days of bloody tribal clashes in October 1993 that left at least 20 people dead.

The then most powerful Masai in the Moi government, Local Government Minister William ole Ntimama, who was seen as the hand behind the evictions, declared the matter all but settled; "The Kikuyu settlers have been driven out, the land returned to its traditional owners - and this one corner of Masailand has, in effect, been ethnically cleansed."

Asked in an interview if the displaced Kikuyu might ever be allowed to return to Enosupukia, Ntimama replied: "No way. They got there illegally. They might as well go back where they came from," meaning traditional Kikuyu farming areas in Kenya's central region. "It's survival, okay?"

He passed away at 90 years of agesmile i don't think we should mourn. We should celebrate his life.


Not we, you should celebrate his life.
Maybe you got a free cave in Enosupukia.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Anti_Burglar
#40 Posted : Monday, September 05, 2016 12:07:00 PM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
Posts: 1,024
kaka2za wrote:
Caveman wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Caveman wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He's currently lying low like an envelope.

I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!!

Why should one mourn someone who organised and celebrated the eviction and killing of innocent kenyans from their homes in enosupukia? These are people who had genuinely bought land from the locals and were going on with their normal lives. Why sell land and pocket the money and then evict or kill the buyer to get your land back? What kind of justice is that? What if people had chased him(Ndimama) from his lavington home and told him to go back to narok?

http://www.the-star.co.k...-camp-at-state_c1001885

Quote:

An estimated 30,000 members of the Kikuyu community were chased from Enosupukia during several days of bloody tribal clashes in October 1993 that left at least 20 people dead.

The then most powerful Masai in the Moi government, Local Government Minister William ole Ntimama, who was seen as the hand behind the evictions, declared the matter all but settled; "The Kikuyu settlers have been driven out, the land returned to its traditional owners - and this one corner of Masailand has, in effect, been ethnically cleansed."

Asked in an interview if the displaced Kikuyu might ever be allowed to return to Enosupukia, Ntimama replied: "No way. They got there illegally. They might as well go back where they came from," meaning traditional Kikuyu farming areas in Kenya's central region. "It's survival, okay?"

He passed away at 90 years of agesmile i don't think we should mourn. We should celebrate his life.


Not we, you should celebrate his life.
Maybe you got a free cave in Enosupukia.


lol.
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