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GT (FINA) Bank Closing Nakuru Br - Tactical or trouble?
winmak
#1 Posted : Friday, September 02, 2016 7:01:10 PM
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I have banked with these people since the days of FINA, I heard that the Nigerians took over and rebranded to GTB. Now, I got mail of closure in 6 months. Is this a sign of bad things coming for the Tier 3s? Anyone with inside knowledge of these people, and if I should jump ship or hold on?
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Angelica _ann
#2 Posted : Friday, September 02, 2016 7:03:59 PM
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They closed Eldoret Branch in June this year!!!
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Impunity
#3 Posted : Friday, September 02, 2016 7:12:53 PM
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winmak wrote:
I have banked with these people since the days of FINA, I heard that the Nigerians took over and rebranded to GTB. Now, I got mail of closure in 6 months. Is this a sign of bad things coming for the Tier 3s? Anyone with inside knowledge of these people, and if I should jump ship or hold on?


Never trust a bank run by these people.
Sad
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VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Friday, September 02, 2016 10:18:49 PM
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Impunity wrote:
winmak wrote:
I have banked with these people since the days of FINA, I heard that the Nigerians took over and rebranded to GTB. Now, I got mail of closure in 6 months. Is this a sign of bad things coming for the Tier 3s? Anyone with inside knowledge of these people, and if I should jump ship or hold on?


Never trust a bank run by these people.
Sad
They may be changing their strategy but "never trust a bank run by these people" is plain wrong. GTB is a huge bank and the Kenyan market is a small market for them. They haven't grown in this market but that doesn't make them "conmen" as implied.
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obiero
#5 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 8:40:26 AM
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Let us stop discussions on the obvious. Next up shall be Moriental then I&M

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VituVingiSana
#6 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 11:18:38 AM
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obiero wrote:
Let us stop discussions on the obvious. Next up shall be Moriental then I&M

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly I&M is doing quite well. Thank you.
BTW, is I&M one of the banks that gave money to the loss-making KQ? If yes, how much?
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KulaRaha
#7 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 12:22:05 PM
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M Oriental is a TZ based outfit that has come to Kenya since they no longer get political accounts in TZ after Maghufuli cleaned up.

Engage at your own risk.
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Bree
#8 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 12:53:44 PM
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Any insights on Diamond? Guess its usually Agakhan associated. I keep thinking of jumping out, fear of the unknowns
sparkly
#9 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 12:57:19 PM
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Bree wrote:
Any insights on Diamond? Guess its usually Agakhan associated. I keep thinking of jumping out, fear of the unknowns


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obiero
#10 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 1:09:56 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Bree wrote:
Any insights on Diamond? Guess its usually Agakhan associated. I keep thinking of jumping out, fear of the unknowns


Diamond iko sawa

DTB is a strong bank. BBK Kenya is actually weaker

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newfarer
#11 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:31:24 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
M Oriental is a TZ based outfit that has come to Kenya since they no longer get political accounts in TZ after Maghufuli cleaned up.

Engage at your own risk.

Okay what of I&M? Thought it was firm?
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Impunity
#12 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:33:52 PM
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newfarer wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
M Oriental is a TZ based outfit that has come to Kenya since they no longer get political accounts in TZ after Maghufuli cleaned up.

Engage at your own risk.

Okay what of I&M? Thought it was firm?


I&M is largely owned by one person...very risky.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

newfarer
#13 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:49:03 PM
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Impunity wrote:
newfarer wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
M Oriental is a TZ based outfit that has come to Kenya since they no longer get political accounts in TZ after Maghufuli cleaned up.

Engage at your own risk.

Okay what of I&M? Thought it was firm?


I&M is largely owned by one person...very risky.

https://en.m.wikipedia.o.../I%26M_Holdings_Limited
punda amecheka
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Saturday, September 03, 2016 2:55:23 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
M Oriental is a TZ based outfit that has come to Kenya since they no longer get political accounts in TZ after Maghufuli cleaned up.

Engage at your own risk.

Wasn't the deal to buy Oriental Bank hatched long before Magufuli became president? I think M Bank [as a private bank] is more adventurous than most TZ banks where GoT has a large stake.

I was also told that M Bank is "innovative" in terms of service. I have experienced customer service in TZ. They are polite but very slow. Apparently M Bank was quite the sensation in the staid TZ market with their menu of services including a service to collect cheques from the customer's premises.

Now to an EAC agenda

At least 5 KE banks are in TZ: KCB, Equity, NIC, I&M and CBA. Kenya remains EAC's largest economy. Why wouldn't a TZ bank look at KE? I would like more such deals so the Tanzanians don't feel insecure plus it also gives them a reason not be so anti-Kenyan.

Finally, the KE (M-Oriental) bank is accountable to CBK not BoT/GoT so the loan portfolio will be better scrutinized by CBK and the auditors especially post-Imperial and post-Chase.

We should encourage competition in the banking sector. UG's 2nd (or 3rd) largest bank is DFCU which should look at merging with a KE bank to provide better services to EAC businesses from Kenya to Rwanda.

TPS/Serena has merged its TZ lodges/hotels under TPSEA. I hope Serena Uganda and Serena Rwanda are merged into TPSEA as well.

A larger pan-EAC business can better absorb shocks as well as provide a unified service to customers. I know TZ doesn't like to play ball but it remains EAC's largest country [size/population] and endowed with lots of natural resources. A "unified" EAC (KE, TZ, UG, RW, BU, SS. Also add ET & DRC] can become a powerhouse to challenge South Africa (SADDC), Nigeria/ECOWAS and Egypt. [BTW, TZ is also part of SADDC]
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