wazua Sun, Jun 15, 2025
Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In | Register

23 Pages«<1516171819>»
Wai!! it is a blood bath, kcb, coop, equity down 9%
Angelica _ann
#321 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:56:53 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,915
mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Kenyan banks derive 70% of revenue from net interest income. Enough said.

Kindly place the financials for Equity H1, right here

people have made money in this drama and are now preparing to sell

That is the way to go as wanjiku is taken for aride yet again Sad
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
watesh
#322 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:47:27 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/10/2014
Posts: 986
Location: Kenya
obiero wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
PKoli wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Dead cat bounce

I don't think it is a dead cat bounce; especially with the kind of volumes traded

its a dead cat bounce.
many of us investor's took enough time to critic the aftermath of kamwaas choices to the economic n political arena n dismissed the consequences it would have on ur core responsibility that of our investments. more precariously few have guessestimated the impact by figures. in denial and purely cluelessly we justify the moves being made on historical perspectives n perceptions that have catastrophically expired ñ failed to deliver.
profits margins have been savored by approximately 50% and this will consequently half banks stock normalised price n further declines be expected from the increased uncertainty surrounding financial stocks. simba n member trading range 15-25s.
my takes.


@mwa.... spot on. 50% drop in member EPS , assuming PE of 7 equals price of 14 - 20sh at best. Ditto for Simba.

Madness. How does a 4% drop in one income line qualify for 50% drop in EPS.. People assume that banks only derive income from lending.. There is cash queue, ATM, merchant line, trade services, forex, interbank lending, government billing, subsidiary business for the top tier.. Surely such an unfounded statement shouldn't appear in wazua

From H1
Equity: 67% of total income is from net interest income.
Co-op: 67% of total income is from net interest income
KCB: 69% of total income is from net interest income.
Still a huge exposure in terms of income...however consumer/retail lending exposure are all under 30% and this is where interest rates are the highest. Those who lend to big enterprises have relatively low interest rates.
Another thing is term deposit and savings accounts which attract interest rates are around 40% or less for the big banks. Margins wont be affected greatly
Magnate
#323 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:50:14 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 11/1/2013
Posts: 257
mlennyma wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
So Equity is trailing KCB

meaning more fear in equity because it was above kcb before ,meanwhile let's enjoy a temporary green market


Equity demand building up.
Demand 6,038,000
Supply 1,650,400
Last Price 28.00

rich
No diagnosis,no pragnosis,no pragnosis no profit......Jesse livermore
Aguytrying
#324 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:02:05 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
Angelica _ann wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Kenyan banks derive 70% of revenue from net interest income. Enough said.

Kindly place the financials for Equity H1, right here

people have made money in this drama and are now preparing to sell

That is the way to go as wanjiku is taken for aride yet again Sad


The game continues tomorrow. equity closing with zero supply today at 28.00. may i remind zero demand 2 days ago... at 26.75
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#325 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:28:33 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,187
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
PKoli wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Dead cat bounce

I don't think it is a dead cat bounce; especially with the kind of volumes traded

its a dead cat bounce.
many of us investor's took enough time to critic the aftermath of kamwaas choices to the economic n political arena n dismissed the consequences it would have on ur core responsibility that of our investments. more precariously few have guessestimated the impact by figures. in denial and purely cluelessly we justify the moves being made on historical perspectives n perceptions that have catastrophically expired ñ failed to deliver.
profits margins have been savored by approximately 50% and this will consequently half banks stock normalised price n further declines be expected from the increased uncertainty surrounding financial stocks. simba n member trading range 15-25s.
my takes.


@mwa.... spot on. 50% drop in member EPS , assuming PE of 7 equals price of 14 - 20sh at best. Ditto for Simba.

Madness. How does a 4% drop in one income line qualify for 50% drop in EPS.. People assume that banks only derive income from lending.. There is cash queue, ATM, merchant line, trade services, forex, interbank lending, government billing, subsidiary business for the top tier.. Surely such an unfounded statement shouldn't appear in wazua

I am a lucky chap. I was taught by the best. I am not talking just book learning which also helps. They were real investors. Wazee who used to sit at the (old) NSE floor. A friend introduced me to Warren Buffett. Finally, I made many mistakes - and will make more in the future. Some large, some small. Large include Olympia and KQ. Small include Neveready and KCB.

Without getting into an argument [& @Obiero's propensity to start insulting my mother who I love dearly] I will state that that comment is false. I am not endorsing nor opposing the view that "a 4% drop in one income line qualify for 50% drop in EPS" coz I have not looked at the details of Equity's funding cost, deposit mix, avg lending rate, lending mix, FX:LCY mix, etc.

Let's just say that's to the (general) misconception as made by that statement, I have made a bundle of money in other stocks.

Again, I am not attacking anyone in particular but the fact that line of thinking may lead to false conclusions.

Disclosure: I made my buys yesterday. I struck while the iron was hot. I am now waiting to reap the rewards.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#326 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:30:49 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,187
Location: Nairobi
KulaRaha wrote:
Kenyan banks derive 70% of revenue from net interest income. Enough said.
Isn't the primary business of banks to "borrow" and then "lend" money?
The 30% from "non-interest income" is quite high. Banks can always boost it by charging 3% Commitment Fees (instead of 1%) and a lower Interest Rate.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Obi 1 Kanobi
#327 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:43:45 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/23/2008
Posts: 3,017
VituVingiSana wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Kenyan banks derive 70% of revenue from net interest income. Enough said.
Isn't the primary business of banks to "borrow" and then "lend" money?
The 30% from "non-interest income" is quite high. Banks can always boost it by charging 3% Commitment Fees (instead of 1%) and a lower Interest Rate.

The desirable int;non int split for sustainable growth should be 55:45.

Mature banks earn significant income from trade and transaction banking, that's how banks majuu can afford to lend at margins of 1%.

Money lending is a commodity and should only give you good returns when you move bulk.

However, trade services like Guarantees, LC's, cash handling services etc earn you income without you risking your own capital
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
VituVingiSana
#328 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:35:01 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,187
Location: Nairobi
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Kenyan banks derive 70% of revenue from net interest income. Enough said.
Isn't the primary business of banks to "borrow" and then "lend" money?
The 30% from "non-interest income" is quite high. Banks can always boost it by charging 3% Commitment Fees (instead of 1%) and a lower Interest Rate.

The desirable int;non int split for sustainable growth should be 55:45.

Mature banks earn significant income from trade and transaction banking, that's how banks majuu can afford to lend at margins of 1%.

Money lending is a commodity and should only give you good returns when you move bulk.

However, trade services like Guarantees, LC's, cash handling services etc earn you income without you risking your own capital

I always get scared when I see "trading income" on a bank's P&L. Some banks eg Citibank and SCBK are good at this. Probably even CFC Stanbic. For the rest, I am not sure.

When banks "trade" they are often trading securities & forex and these traders are often young and brash [adrenaline fueled] chaps.

I prefer a bank that make money the old fashioned way. Borrow at 8% and Lend at 14%.
Yes, there is money/margin to be made from "regular" forex [buy from @VVS sell to @Aguy] with a reasonable margin but not speculating.
Yes, there is money to be made from providing LCs, guarantees, etc. Again, reasonable charges that benefit the customer AND the bank.
Yes, there are reasonable fees to be made on other ancillary services.

I do not believe banks should be making profits on ATM/Agent use be it for deposits and withdrawals. I look at ATMs/Agents as a channel that's cheaper to operate than branches.

Yes, I am old-fashioned. While you want banks with 55:45 ratio, I am happier with banks whose "other" charges are reasonable especially those for depositors and have a 80:20 ratio.

I want a bank that doesn't charge me every time I make a deposit, withdrawal, balance enquiry, etc. I don't want a bank that charges me 5% spread on forex. I want a bank who sends me [or gives me access] to statements at any time free of charge.

Some Wazuans complained about Equity, which apparently charged a fee on INCOMING EFTs. I pay ZERO on my incoming EFTs. I hate being nickled and dimed. There's no point in a low(er) interest rate loan loaded with charges for everything than a high(er) interest loan that is all-inclusive.

BTW, banks (or any business) that treat their customers well [even if not the cheapest] and with dignity generally tend to be the most profitable/sustainable.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
watesh
#329 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:56:10 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/10/2014
Posts: 986
Location: Kenya
Haiya KCB have responded to CFC Stanbic to cap existing loans at 14.5%. CEO informed all customers to get in touch with the bank as soon as tomorrow to alter the rates
watesh
#330 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:57:43 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/10/2014
Posts: 986
Location: Kenya
watesh wrote:
Haiya KCB have responded to CFC Stanbic to cap existing loans at 14.5%. CEO informed all customers to get in touch with the bank as soon as tomorrow to alter the rates
Full Press Release Statement

maka
#331 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:07:54 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
watesh wrote:
watesh wrote:
Haiya KCB have responded to CFC Stanbic to cap existing loans at 14.5%. CEO informed all customers to get in touch with the bank as soon as tomorrow to alter the rates
Full Press Release Statement



Some banks will be left alone in the cold...kila mtu anajitetea.
possunt quia posse videntur
streetwise
#332 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:10:22 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 6/23/2011
Posts: 1,740
Location: Nairobi
And the plot keeps unfolding
Good for students of business studies. This can make one great project paper.

Any takers
Metch
#333 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:00:34 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 12/22/2015
Posts: 224
Location: Mombasa, Kenya
watesh wrote:
watesh wrote:
Haiya KCB have responded to CFC Stanbic to cap existing loans at 14.5%. CEO informed all customers to get in touch with the bank as soon as tomorrow to alter the rates
Full Press Release Statement



Barely 24hours ago some Wazuans said this was not possible. That banks will rush to court. well,the lion has spoken.
It's up to other banks to follow suit or lose customers
Start!
muandiwambeu
#334 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:01:24 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
watesh wrote:
watesh wrote:
Haiya KCB have responded to CFC Stanbic to cap existing loans at 14.5%. CEO informed all customers to get in touch with the bank as soon as tomorrow to alter the rates
Full Press Release Statement


this shall be a full anneal process followed by full sintering. believers will turn atheists and non believers Orthodox hardliners.
the managers of your wealth(bankers have surrendered to the fate and have not told you how they will make shareholder wealthy- argh, anyway the shareholder as a citizen will enjoy cheaper rates for borrowing from his wealth and those are benefits in kind) have seen a narrow shave for you though a bitter must swallow pill for u. siku ya nangwa kuzwaliwa lazwima izwaliwe bila kuchelewezwa. smile
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
VituVingiSana
#335 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:31:45 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,187
Location: Nairobi
All banks to reduce interest rates for all (new and existing) loans.
When? [KCB and CFC said 1st Sep]
Other fees?

http://kba.co.ke/media/l...ts-to-existing-customers
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#336 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:37:20 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,697
Location: nairobi
Metch wrote:
watesh wrote:
watesh wrote:
Haiya KCB have responded to CFC Stanbic to cap existing loans at 14.5%. CEO informed all customers to get in touch with the bank as soon as tomorrow to alter the rates
Full Press Release Statement



Barely 24hours ago some Wazuans said this was not possible. That banks will rush to court. well,the lion has spoken.
It's up to other banks to follow suit or lose customers

Negotiation fee required to alter from old to new terms

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
obiero
#337 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:39:16 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,697
Location: nairobi
Metch wrote:
watesh wrote:
watesh wrote:
Haiya KCB have responded to CFC Stanbic to cap existing loans at 14.5%. CEO informed all customers to get in touch with the bank as soon as tomorrow to alter the rates
Full Press Release Statement



Barely 24hours ago some Wazuans said this was not possible. That banks will rush to court. well,the lion has spoken.
It's up to other banks to follow suit or lose customers

Negotiation fee required to alter from old to new terms

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
wukan
#338 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:48:34 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,610
[quote=VituVingiSana]All banks to reduce interest rates for all (new and existing) loans.
When? [KCB and CFC said 1st Sep]
Other fees?

http://kba.co.ke/media/l...s-to-existing-customers[/quote]

If you attended an economics class, you know competition between providers of undifferentiated goods and services: prices will tend to drop to just above the lowest cost.(the bottom)

Welcome gents n ladies to the race to the bottom.

Higher cost providers will exit the market, leaving only the most efficient sellers dealing with the buyers. Survival of the fittest.

You want to risk your capital in the race to the bottom?
mlennyma
#339 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:01:56 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,187
Location: nairobi
wukan wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]All banks to reduce interest rates for all (new and existing) loans.
When? [KCB and CFC said 1st Sep]
Other fees?

http://kba.co.ke/media/l...s-to-existing-customers[/quote]

If you attended an economics class, you know competition between providers of undifferentiated goods and services: prices will tend to drop to just above the lowest cost.(the bottom)

Welcome gents n ladies to the race to the bottom.

Higher cost providers will exit the market, leaving only the most efficient sellers dealing with the buyers. Survival of the fittest.

You want to risk your capital in the race to the bottom?

member has remained mum and opted to be represented in blanket talks
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
streetwise
#340 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:12:40 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 6/23/2011
Posts: 1,740
Location: Nairobi
My day is made. I said before the words needed to be existing and New loans. It looks like it took the speed of fibre to happen

Now the sells guys will be very busy. They get their full bonus in Q4
Users browsing this topic
Guest
23 Pages«<1516171819>»
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Copyright © 2025 Wazua.co.ke. All Rights Reserved.