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Law Capping interest rates
obiero
#871 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:42:54 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,318
Location: nairobi
Angelica _ann wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
mwenza wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@newfarer
Billions in profits will still be made.
I was looking at citibank kenya half year results.
Interest on government securities is more than twice interest on loans and advances.
Customer deposits is sh.62bn,
loans and advances to customers sh.31bn
investment in government securities sh.42bn
Profit before tax is at ksh.3bn
Number of branches in kenya is 2; one in Nairobi and the other in mombasa.
Banks will still rake in billions so long as GOK is borrowing aimlessly


The effect of the new law on the highlighted wont be interesting.


Citi pays almost NIL interest...wonder if their customers will allow that anymore...


Citibank is an exlcusive corporate bank, they pay nil interest because their accounts are all current accounts. All their loans are syndicated maga deals and they mostly earn their income from trade banking.

They could care less about interest rates

That is total corporate world!!! Even personal accounts in there are also just absorbed because corporate background of the individual. Wananyonya the like's of Obiero's darling hedging moves smile !!!!

Wait... Umeniita darling??
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
Lolest!
#872 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:45:50 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
penkon wrote:
quicksand wrote:
Meeeh ...
The sky is not going to fall.
Interconnect rates got controlled,..then call rates dived from the 30s to 8 to 3 bob ..Telcos didn't die ..OK some did, but they weren't fit for purpose anyway.
Fuel pricing regulation came and went....Kenya is still here.
And now banks have to eat this law.
Guess what? There will be some shocks, some corners will get the hair dryer treatment ...and then life will continue.
I am bored to tears by all this scare mongering. I have been denied loans by some banks, then given loans by other banks...one bank's snobbery did not stop me from accomplishing what I intended.
Stop theorizing and get busy. That's the spirit. Some banks are waking to this new reality and aligning their business, who are you to keep drumming it to our ears about some far-fetched apocalypse?


Applause Applause

Wait for the lectures from banking sector experts smile
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FRM2011
#873 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:46:32 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
guru267 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Kenya Bank Cap = Brexit Sad Sad d'oh! d'oh!
I feel we screwed ourselves.
Majority of bank users are not borrowers but investors
Uhuru protected these minority borrowers and forgot majority investors who have lost loads of investment. How much has the govt lost in the process?
I do not know where to start in cleaning my house.
When banks are infected the the virus spreads to other investment arms like Industrial, Agric, commercial etc
Now its time Banks closed most of the offices thereby affecting the boom in housing.
A balance must be sorted out soonest.
If firms are getting cheaper loan, why would a company like Ketepa Kenya sell its third grade tea at that high cost? Why would property in land be such speculative and costly
Everything will be coming down, even Education
I can see Salaries dropping.
Remember, Kenyans should not expect Salary reviews next year, in fact be ready for redundancies.


Seriously ?? Back to reality. Co-op bank went on the offensive from Saturday by offering to buy loans from other banks. When customers started asking for loan statements from their banks to move to co-op, it was each man for himself.

I have just received a message from KCB informing they have officially reduced their rates for new loans. They aren't waiting for the Gazette notice. And get this, they are waiting for CBK to advise on how to handle existing loans. The two largest banks in kenya have implemented the law. Does it matter what sidian does ?

Let's drop the scare-mongering. It was never going to work and am glad some of us have been Sat by as much from kitabo. It is the "experts" who have been warning us of a major credit squeeze that we should be worried about.


Have you or any one of those unsecured borrowers you know tried to apply for these loans at 14.5% p.a??

Coop was merely pulling a PR stunt that clearly got Wanjiku excited but the only ones who will get credit committee approval for their loan applications at 14.5% p.a. are only those who meet certain criteria.


Hi @guru267. I had not replied to your question because I was waiting for facts. This morning, co-op bank has disbursed a loan of 200,000 secured by household chatters @0.8% p.m. Previously it was 2% p.m. This is someone I know.

Bottom line, it's not PR. I know it's not my business to advise you in your area of expertise, but on this matter of capping rates, most experts got it wrong.
Njung'e
#874 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:26:29 PM
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Joined: 2/7/2007
Posts: 11,935
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
[quote=Angelica _ann][quote=Obi 1 Kanobi][quote=KulaRaha][quote=mwenza][quote=Ericsson]@newfarer

Wait... Umeniita darling??


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .....I think we should cap other INTERESTs toosmile

OAN, now that CFC has reduced interest on existing loans, does/doesn't this open up the other banks to litigation? ...Over to Maka and species.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Swenani
#875 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:52:26 PM
Rank: User

Joined: 8/15/2013
Posts: 13,237
Location: Vacuum
FRM2011 wrote:
guru267 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Kenya Bank Cap = Brexit Sad Sad d'oh! d'oh!
I feel we screwed ourselves.
Majority of bank users are not borrowers but investors
Uhuru protected these minority borrowers and forgot majority investors who have lost loads of investment. How much has the govt lost in the process?
I do not know where to start in cleaning my house.
When banks are infected the the virus spreads to other investment arms like Industrial, Agric, commercial etc
Now its time Banks closed most of the offices thereby affecting the boom in housing.
A balance must be sorted out soonest.
If firms are getting cheaper loan, why would a company like Ketepa Kenya sell its third grade tea at that high cost? Why would property in land be such speculative and costly
Everything will be coming down, even Education
I can see Salaries dropping.
Remember, Kenyans should not expect Salary reviews next year, in fact be ready for redundancies.


Seriously ?? Back to reality. Co-op bank went on the offensive from Saturday by offering to buy loans from other banks. When customers started asking for loan statements from their banks to move to co-op, it was each man for himself.

I have just received a message from KCB informing they have officially reduced their rates for new loans. They aren't waiting for the Gazette notice. And get this, they are waiting for CBK to advise on how to handle existing loans. The two largest banks in kenya have implemented the law. Does it matter what sidian does ?

Let's drop the scare-mongering. It was never going to work and am glad some of us have been Sat by as much from kitabo. It is the "experts" who have been warning us of a major credit squeeze that we should be worried about.


Have you or any one of those unsecured borrowers you know tried to apply for these loans at 14.5% p.a??

Coop was merely pulling a PR stunt that clearly got Wanjiku excited but the only ones who will get credit committee approval for their loan applications at 14.5% p.a. are only those who meet certain criteria.


Hi @guru267. I had not replied to your question because I was waiting for facts. This morning, co-op bank has disbursed a loan of 200,000 secured by household chatters @0.8% p.m. Previously it was 2% p.m. This is someone I know.

Bottom line, it's not PR. I know it's not my business to advise you in your area of expertise, but on this matter of capping rates, most experts got it wrong.


IOUN, What kind of friends does your friend have? His friends can't give him a loan for 200K surely!
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
instinct
#876 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:45:04 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 8/17/2007
Posts: 294
Lolest! wrote:
penkon wrote:
quicksand wrote:
Meeeh ...
The sky is not going to fall.
Interconnect rates got controlled,..then call rates dived from the 30s to 8 to 3 bob ..Telcos didn't die ..OK some did, but they weren't fit for purpose anyway.
Fuel pricing regulation came and went....Kenya is still here.
And now banks have to eat this law.
Guess what? There will be some shocks, some corners will get the hair dryer treatment ...and then life will continue.
I am bored to tears by all this scare mongering. I have been denied loans by some banks, then given loans by other banks...one bank's snobbery did not stop me from accomplishing what I intended.
Stop theorizing and get busy. That's the spirit. Some banks are waking to this new reality and aligning their business, who are you to keep drumming it to our ears about some far-fetched apocalypse?


Applause Applause

Wait for the lectures from banking sector experts smile



Jidanganye tu. unlike in the above cases where people tend to consume more product when prices are slashed, loans are a different ball game. unless they can double their loan books in 2 yrs they are finished
muandiwambeu
#877 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:50:02 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
instinct wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
penkon wrote:
quicksand wrote:
Meeeh ...
The sky is not going to fall.
Interconnect rates got controlled,..then call rates dived from the 30s to 8 to 3 bob ..Telcos didn't die ..OK some did, but they weren't fit for purpose anyway.
Fuel pricing regulation came and went....Kenya is still here.
And now banks have to eat this law.
Guess what? There will be some shocks, some corners will get the hair dryer treatment ...and then life will continue.
I am bored to tears by all this scare mongering. I have been denied loans by some banks, then given loans by other banks...one bank's snobbery did not stop me from accomplishing what I intended.
Stop theorizing and get busy. That's the spirit. Some banks are waking to this new reality and aligning their business, who are you to keep drumming it to our ears about some far-fetched apocalypse?


Applause Applause

Wait for the lectures from banking sector experts smile



Jidanganye tu. unlike in the above cases where people tend to consume more product when prices are slashed, loans are a different ball game. unless they can double their loan books in 2 yrs they are finished

eti century mbili, by end of the coming half, Kuku manyoya sitakukuwa simenyolewa.
Drool
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
tkzee
#878 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:57:14 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 7/13/2010
Posts: 160
Location: rift Valley-Naks
instinct wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
penkon wrote:
quicksand wrote:
Meeeh ...
The sky is not going to fall.
Interconnect rates got controlled,..then call rates dived from the 30s to 8 to 3 bob ..Telcos didn't die ..OK some did, but they weren't fit for purpose anyway.
Fuel pricing regulation came and went....Kenya is still here.
And now banks have to eat this law.
Guess what? There will be some shocks, some corners will get the hair dryer treatment ...and then life will continue.
I am bored to tears by all this scare mongering. I have been denied loans by some banks, then given loans by other banks...one bank's snobbery did not stop me from accomplishing what I intended.
Stop theorizing and get busy. That's the spirit. Some banks are waking to this new reality and aligning their business, who are you to keep drumming it to our ears about some far-fetched apocalypse?


Applause Applause

Wait for the lectures from banking sector experts smile



Jidanganye tu. unlike in the above cases where people tend to consume more product when prices are slashed, loans are a different ball game. unless they can double their loan books in 2 yrs they are finished



How about the tax man? We are likely to see reduced revenues collection and the end result, more borrowing.
''i can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies,but not the madness of people''-Isaac Newton
Enuma Elish
#879 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:09:46 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 6/5/2014
Posts: 47
alma1 wrote:
So now the stories are starting to change..ehhh?

I thought last week if the bill was signed the world as we know it would die prematurely.

The only guys complaining are the shareholders...

Otherwise, for the rest of us, dunia ni ile ile. And we still won't buy shares who's revenues we know will take a hit over the next 6 months...

Someone said that banks won't allow refinancing, today CFC is telling you to take that annoying high rate to their bank and they'll sort you out.

mmhhhh...And you wonder why Kenyans just hate bankers.



CFC and KCB have even offered to refinance/ buyout existing loans. BBK are adjusting their deposit rates in compliance with the new law.

Where is the Doomsday Brigade? Last week, they were bleating about economic Armageddon.
Pesa Nane
#880 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:14:45 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/25/2012
Posts: 4,105
Location: 08c
Quote:
Banking Industry Commitment to Pass on Benefits to Existing Customers

Nairobi, 31 August 2016:

Over the past weeks, amendments to the Banking Act have been widely debated by politicians, banking experts, the public, consumer groups and in the media.
The voice of Kenyans has come out strongly that banks need to better serve their customers and pass on the benefit of enhanced efficiencies to borrowers and depositors. We appreciate this sentiment and are committed to win back the trust of the banking public by meeting their expectations.


Since His Excellency President Uhuru Kenyatta signed the Bill to control interest rates, we immediately initiated processes to pass on the lower rates to borrowers. As we await the gazettement of the legislation and operationalisation by the Central Bank of Kenya (CBK), we agree that all new loans will be at no more than four percent over the base rate set and published by CBK. Moreover, member banks will review their operations so as to adjust to the new minimum rate requirements for interest earning accounts.
The public and the Government have made it clear that they expect banks to as soon as possible provide people and businesses with access to lower cost finance and more competitive deposit rates.
While the industry awaits Central Bank of Kenya regulations that include direction on the determination of the base rate that the industry will use, the KBA members believe that the spirit of the law was and should be to pass these benefits to existing bank customers. Consequently, the KBA wishes to announce that its members have agreed to prospectively reprice existing loans, which will see existing customers enjoy the benefits of the new law once it is operationalised. Each KBA member bank will therefore notify their customers on the process and new terms as the industry engages with CBK on the implementation.
We have listened carefully to all the opinions expressed by the different stakeholders in the debate leading to the assenting of this law, and we are committed to implement both the spirit of the law and the substance thereof, as well as meet all the commitments outlined in our 10th August 2016 Memorandum of Understanding presented to the Central Bank of Kenya.
In complying with the law, we will work to minimise any unintended negative consequences on the broader economy, such as a reversal of the positive strides made towards financial inclusion through certain groups of people and SMEs being excluded from access to banking services.
Our member banks will also work to enhance their lending practices and customer service standards to ensure that customers are better served and informed about their financial options.
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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