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Wai!! it is a blood bath, kcb, coop, equity down 9%
penkon
#41 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 12:35:04 PM
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Spikes wrote:
moneydust wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Choices have consequences.
The good advisors who were during the NARC and grand coalition were all chased away from State House and GoK.
Si tuliambiwa this country can be governed bia skype and video conferencing

He was adviced by his technocrats. They told him not sign! He signed. He didn't listen even to the respected Opus Dei!

On this, the president took the political expediency route. This is very disturbing. You expect a strong president to make the right decision for the economy even of it costs him politically.


Uhuru is not a strong president ni mtu wa PR na maselfies.



Uhuru ameamua kukula na Wanjiku. Wachana naye.
Big boys hata wale wako karibu naye watapatikana tu. A strong president is one who listens the voices of the weak. Uhuru is one of them.


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VituVingiSana
#42 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 12:35:58 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
mkate_nusu wrote:
wukan wrote:
Uhuru and his economic advisers grossly underestimated portfolio forex inflows. Waiting for the carnage to extend to the forex markets


Best to hold on to forex as USD bulls get fired up with capital exit from the market.
These guys at the helm will continue leading our economy to the dumpsters for the foreseeable future

Wrong minds. Banks can't continue milking Kenyans that dry in name of fear. Even if in short term there's negative effects, what we want is a fair future. Banks need to know hii Kenya si ya mama yao. Ever heard of river rejuvenation? Now our economy shall be rejuvenated after clearing this mess is cleared.

The "rejuvenation" is needed across the entire spectrum of Government first.

Slow resolution of cases at the courts which delay justice. And defaulters can get away for years without paying off their debts! Then we have fake title deeds which hamstring genuine borrowers.

GoK borrowed at 15% and wants banks to lend at 14.50%? How now? Sensible banks will put more money in [risk-free] T-Bonds and T-Bills rather than lend to [risky] customers.

(Short-term) T-Bonds and T-Bills do not (negatively) affect the Capital Ratio Requirements. Plus GoK/CBK pays interest every 6 months. And these securities are easy to REPO with CBK if banks need cash.

As long as GoK is in the business of Business... Look at KQ, Mumias, NBK, etc which have been sucking in cash raised via T-Bills/Bonds competing against (genuine) Taxpayers.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MaichBlack
#43 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 12:40:39 PM
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Jambo Wanjiku. Habari ndio hii.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
ARAP CHARLES
#44 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 12:45:48 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:


My commiserations however to anyone losing their capital in banking stocks. Pole.


I have a stake in ....but no sympathy whatsoever. BTW, i see Total has joined the fray in the Mega slide. When did they become a bank?smile smile



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githundi
#45 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 12:50:31 PM
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VituVingiSana
#46 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:09:35 PM
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moneydust wrote:
wukan wrote:
Uhuru and his economic advisers grossly underestimated portfolio forex inflows. Waiting for the carnage to extend to the forex markets


Clearly he chose populism instead of sense.By rolling the countrys' tradition of free market policies he has ignited a carnage that will be felt far and wide in the countrys' economy.He will now know what it means to be in a global market.
Cant wait for the fire to filter to the currency market,shillingi yetu RIPPray Pray Pray


The solution(s) is for GoK to:

1) Stop borrowing at high rates for projects. Rationalize the projects being funded using taxpayer funds eg NYS.
2) Stop borrowing to fund the recurrent expenditure eg commissions, cars, etc.
3) Rationalize the court system to defaulters are brought to book sooner.
4) Improve the collateralization system e.g. fake/duplicate Title Deeds, etc which makes it harder for GENUINE borrowers.
5) GoK should get out of the business of Business eg KQ, Uchumi, etc.

All the other stuff is irrelevant as long as GoK spends money like it can be printed. Which it can. With inflationary results.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#47 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:15:28 PM
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jgithige wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Choices have consequences.
The good advisors who were during the NARC and grand coalition were all chased away from State House and GoK.
Si tuliambiwa this country can be governed bia skype and video conferencing

He was adviced by his technocrats. They told him not sign! He signed. He didn't listen even to the respected Opus Dei!

On this, the president took the political expediency route. This is very disturbing. You expect a strong president to make the right decision for the economy even of it costs him politically.


But equally the banks have failed the economy prompting this type of legislation. Honestly our banks are exploitative. Compare the regulation in Energy & Petroleum industry which has been a success,has much impact and bigger than our banking sector.

OMCs do not buy their product from the KE market [i.e. OMCs buy fuel from the international markets and add a guaranteed premium/profit].

Banks "buy" deposits from the market competing against GoK [T-Bills and Bonds].

What banks could do is lend billions to GoK [very low risk] without incurring multiple costs eg loan officers, loan analysts, legal personnel, etc. Invest in T-Bills and Bonds have a small group bid for the Gilts as well as check/calculate payments that come in via CBK transfers. No need to have cashiers who accept cheques. No need for back office to coordinate clearance of cheques. Savings galore.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MaichBlack
#48 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:25:25 PM
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githundi wrote:
Free movie. ..It shall always be a story to tell

Let the President start monitoring. He said they will be monitoring, didn't he?

The CS and Central Bank Governor must be having a terrible job at the moment. They advised the president not to sign and gave him reasons and he signed anyway. Now he will expect them to deal with the aftermath!!! Ever woke up and didn't feel like going to work? That is those guys today? And tomorrow... And for a while...

And you imagine the President will be in a brainstorming group trying to figure out how to deal with the aftermath??? Your guess is as good as mine!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Jon Jones
#49 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:26:49 PM
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Banking stocks will slide until end of the year when investors can roughly investigate the impact of the law on their profitability. Until then, expect massive exits and rock bottom prices. Banks have a smaller margin for error now. Only the best candidates will get loans. You can now know that you can now qualify for maybe half what you would have qualified for before the law.
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mlennyma
#50 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:31:11 PM
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Jon Jones wrote:
Banking stocks will slide until end of the year when investors can roughly investigate the impact of the law on their profitability. Until then, expect massive exits and rock bottom prices.

Until Q1 2017
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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