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moneydust wrote:Jon Jones wrote:This is how I expect the situation to unfold.
1. Equity, Family Bank, Co-op etc, who largely cater for Wanjiku will be the worst affected because they are technically in a riskier business. The quality of their customers is very bad i.e largely Wanjiku.
2. KCB, I&M, DTB etc that cater for the upper middle class and the affluent (for KCB it is institutions), they will be better positioned because their customers have a higher value and less risk.
Assuming two banks lend at 14.5%, Equity and I & M, I & M will have less to worry about considering the nature of its customers. This bill is a kick in the nuts of James Mwangi and Gideon Muriuki I beg to differ,banks that have a wide footprint and bank the ordinary mwananchi will have access to deposits at almost zero cost since they will be paying nothing for the small deposits in their customer accounts. Infact the banks that will have the lowest cost on their deposits will win the coming war. With the capping it means the battle for quality clients is on,it will all be about who can offer the lowest of the lowest interest rate to that bluechip customer. what are you saying? The Act stipulates that banks should pay atleast 70% of the CBR rate to customer deposits, How then will the small banks access deposits at zero cost? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/31/2007 Posts: 303
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Swenani wrote:moneydust wrote:Jon Jones wrote:This is how I expect the situation to unfold.
1. Equity, Family Bank, Co-op etc, who largely cater for Wanjiku will be the worst affected because they are technically in a riskier business. The quality of their customers is very bad i.e largely Wanjiku.
2. KCB, I&M, DTB etc that cater for the upper middle class and the affluent (for KCB it is institutions), they will be better positioned because their customers have a higher value and less risk.
Assuming two banks lend at 14.5%, Equity and I & M, I & M will have less to worry about considering the nature of its customers. This bill is a kick in the nuts of James Mwangi and Gideon Muriuki I beg to differ,banks that have a wide footprint and bank the ordinary mwananchi will have access to deposits at almost zero cost since they will be paying nothing for the small deposits in their customer accounts. Infact the banks that will have the lowest cost on their deposits will win the coming war. With the capping it means the battle for quality clients is on,it will all be about who can offer the lowest of the lowest interest rate to that bluechip customer. what are you saying? The Act stipulates that banks should pay atleast 70% of the CBR rate to customer deposits, How then will the small banks access deposits at zero cost? You must differentiate between current account deposits and fixed /savings account deposits.It will be ridiculous to expect a bank to pay you interest on deposits you will be withdrawing tomorrow without notice.You can also expect the banks to raise the the threshold for interest bearing deposits.
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Does this also affect mobile banking loans e.g Equitel (24%p.a), M-shwari and such?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Swenani wrote:moneydust wrote:Jon Jones wrote:This is how I expect the situation to unfold.
1. Equity, Family Bank, Co-op etc, who largely cater for Wanjiku will be the worst affected because they are technically in a riskier business. The quality of their customers is very bad i.e largely Wanjiku.
2. KCB, I&M, DTB etc that cater for the upper middle class and the affluent (for KCB it is institutions), they will be better positioned because their customers have a higher value and less risk.
Assuming two banks lend at 14.5%, Equity and I & M, I & M will have less to worry about considering the nature of its customers. This bill is a kick in the nuts of James Mwangi and Gideon Muriuki I beg to differ,banks that have a wide footprint and bank the ordinary mwananchi will have access to deposits at almost zero cost since they will be paying nothing for the small deposits in their customer accounts. Infact the banks that will have the lowest cost on their deposits will win the coming war. With the capping it means the battle for quality clients is on,it will all be about who can offer the lowest of the lowest interest rate to that bluechip customer. what are you saying? The Act stipulates that banks should pay atleast 70% of the CBR rate to customer deposits, How then will the small banks access deposits at zero cost? Its only fixed accounts which should enjoy the 70% of the CBR rate...what banks will do is simply to raise the minimum balance to open a saving account to be something like Kes.1,000,000...anything less will be taken to the current account, which will be charged exhobitant ledger fees. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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Swenani wrote:moneydust wrote:Jon Jones wrote:This is how I expect the situation to unfold.
1. Equity, Family Bank, Co-op etc, who largely cater for Wanjiku will be the worst affected because they are technically in a riskier business. The quality of their customers is very bad i.e largely Wanjiku.
2. KCB, I&M, DTB etc that cater for the upper middle class and the affluent (for KCB it is institutions), they will be better positioned because their customers have a higher value and less risk.
Assuming two banks lend at 14.5%, Equity and I & M, I & M will have less to worry about considering the nature of its customers. This bill is a kick in the nuts of James Mwangi and Gideon Muriuki I beg to differ,banks that have a wide footprint and bank the ordinary mwananchi will have access to deposits at almost zero cost since they will be paying nothing for the small deposits in their customer accounts. Infact the banks that will have the lowest cost on their deposits will win the coming war. With the capping it means the battle for quality clients is on,it will all be about who can offer the lowest of the lowest interest rate to that bluechip customer. what are you saying? The Act stipulates that banks should pay atleast 70% of the CBR rate to customer deposits, How then will the small banks access deposits at zero cost? This whole hullabaloo about risk of the customer is just theories created by banks to keep rates high. If I can lend to you 100k at 24%, why should I not lend it to you at 14%. Are you more likely to default at 24% or at 14%. Its all nonsense ceated by the banking industry. They will lend to Wanjiku at 14% as long as Wanjiku has not defaulted on a previous loan. Banks will just have to work harder at vetting the borrowers, to seperate the grain from the chaff. Like I said before, it will be a dance between banks and Government. Too much money chasing govt paper and the rate will come down. Banks will be forced to create a balance between lending to govt or lending to Wanjiku. Banks cannot afford to be awash with cash. Thats a fact. Watch this space. In fact , if you are employed, earning good money in a stable job, get ready to start getting spammed by these banks. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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kawi254 wrote:Does this also affect mobile banking loans e.g Equitel (24%p.a), M-shwari and such? M-suruari is 90%pa...7.5&% pm. Portfolio: Sold
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Impunity wrote:kawi254 wrote:Does this also affect mobile banking loans e.g Equitel (24%p.a), M-shwari and such? M-suruari is 90%pa...7.5&% pm. No "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:kawi254 wrote:Does this also affect mobile banking loans e.g Equitel (24%p.a), M-shwari and such? M-suruari is 90%pa...7.5&% pm. No How much it is? Thats the rate I have known when they first set shop. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:kawi254 wrote:Does this also affect mobile banking loans e.g Equitel (24%p.a), M-shwari and such? M-suruari is 90%pa...7.5&% pm. No How much it is? Thats the rate I have known when they first set shop. I think thats about correct... possunt quia posse videntur
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Kabando wa Kabando bill should also be effected asap to make TB available/accessible to the masses. The greatest act of bravery is chancing a fart while suffering from diarrhoea
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murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:kawi254 wrote:Does this also affect mobile banking loans e.g Equitel (24%p.a), M-shwari and such? M-suruari is 90%pa...7.5&% pm. No @muchr, please clarify. Does the new act differentiate between normal loan and mobile loan. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/13/2011 Posts: 284 Location: Nairobi
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Interest rates have been capped but financial institutions will have a free hand in composing APR which will be definitely above 20%.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tom_boy wrote:murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:kawi254 wrote:Does this also affect mobile banking loans e.g Equitel (24%p.a), M-shwari and such? M-suruari is 90%pa...7.5&% pm. No @muchr, please clarify. Does the new act differentiate between normal loan and mobile loan. Refer to post #466 "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:tom_boy wrote:murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:kawi254 wrote:Does this also affect mobile banking loans e.g Equitel (24%p.a), M-shwari and such? M-suruari is 90%pa...7.5&% pm. No @muchr, please clarify. Does the new act differentiate between normal loan and mobile loan. Refer to post #466 Murchr aka Finance CS  Jibu wafuasi... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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Gadaffi wrote:Interest rates have been capped but financial institutions will have a free hand in composing APR which will be definitely above 20%. Hii huitwa porojo
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Look at this; This month the Central Bank of Kenya offered a 10 year Treasury Bond for a total amount of up to Kshs 25 Billion. The total number of bids received was 795 amounting to Kshs 26.31 Billion. The Weighted average rate for successful bids was 15.039% Coupon 15.039% crazy...even after WHT its good cash possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:Look at this;
This month the Central Bank of Kenya offered a 10 year Treasury Bond for a total amount of up to Kshs 25 Billion. The total number of bids received was 795 amounting to Kshs 26.31 Billion. The Weighted average rate for successful bids was 15.039%
Coupon 15.039% crazy...even after WHT its good cash I spoke to the president and his take was that the government shall pull down borrowing rates for itself, which is a good thing.. Expect government to obtain cheap credit. Watch the tbill rate slide down in coming months. We live in good times
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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Tick. .tick. .. Let us watch the movie Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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tom_boy wrote:murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:kawi254 wrote:Does this also affect mobile banking loans e.g Equitel (24%p.a), M-shwari and such? M-suruari is 90%pa...7.5&% pm. No @muchr, please clarify. Does the new act differentiate between normal loan and mobile loan. The bill addressed BANKS and FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS only. If the loan is from a BANK expect it to be capped. Your accessing the money through mobile, TT, Cheque, SWIFT, cash, etc should be immaterial. Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/13/2011 Posts: 284 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Gadaffi wrote:Interest rates have been capped but financial institutions will have a free hand in composing APR which will be definitely above 20%. Hii huitwa porojo Have u ever borrowed and if so, do u know ur APR..
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