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Christians Come Here: Gambling, Betting and the Bible
Angelica _ann
#21 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 2:49:54 PM
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tycho
#22 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 2:50:59 PM
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Laws don't have to be issued by the creator. Laws can emerge as a consequence of interaction of agents. Humans are agents that interact with other agents and are responsible for the discovery and even creation of laws.

As long as this is possible and true, then the question of God creating rules becomes almost irrelevant except in the context of mythologizing.
AlphDoti
#23 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 2:51:04 PM
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tycho wrote:
For something to be fool proof, then it must be tasted for all conditions, but all conditions aren't always accessible to humans...

And what I stand for is fool proof and apply in all conditions. You can site any condition, and it will apply. Even the current topic: gambling, betting...
AlphDoti
#24 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 2:56:33 PM
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tycho wrote:
Laws don't have to be issued by the creator. Laws can emerge as a consequence of interaction of agents. Humans are agents that interact with other agents and are responsible for the discovery and even creation of laws.

As long as this is possible and true, then the question of God creating rules becomes almost irrelevant except in the context of mythologizing.

In every level there is authority. Laws are made top-down. The manufacturer creates something, and writes a manual. You as user of the equipment must comply with the top rules. If you make other rules, they must be working under the main rules. God creates rules for the benefit of the creation.
tycho
#25 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 2:57:56 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
For something to be fool proof, then it must be tasted for all conditions, but all conditions aren't always accessible to humans...

I'm I stand for is fool proof and apply in all conditions. You can site any condition, and it will apply. Even the current topic: gambling, betting...


Let's try an example. Given the common definition of gambling, taking into consideration chance and probability; consider a sport pesa player who using complex formulae has noted trends that reduce the chance of wrong predictions to less than 50%. Given that in say sport betting the chances of making a profit need one to be right more than 52% of the time, would this player be gambling?

Is the farmer a gambler if he sows his seeds in anticipation of the rains?
tycho
#26 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 2:59:50 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Laws don't have to be issued by the creator. Laws can emerge as a consequence of interaction of agents. Humans are agents that interact with other agents and are responsible for the discovery and even creation of laws.

As long as this is possible and true, then the question of God creating rules becomes almost irrelevant except in the context of mythologizing.

In every level there is authority. Laws are made top-down. The manufacturer creates something, and writes a manual. You as user of the equipment must comply with the top rules. If you make other rules, they must be working under the main rules. God creates rules for the benefit of the creation.


Laws are not always top down. A team may have laws that apply horizontally for example; and what's more? These laws may have been created collectively by the members.
AlphDoti
#27 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 3:26:35 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Laws don't have to be issued by the creator. Laws can emerge as a consequence of interaction of agents. Humans are agents that interact with other agents and are responsible for the discovery and even creation of laws.

As long as this is possible and true, then the question of God creating rules becomes almost irrelevant except in the context of mythologizing.

In every level there is authority. Laws are made top-down. The manufacturer creates something, and writes a manual. You as user of the equipment must comply with the top rules. If you make other rules, they must be working under the main rules. God creates rules for the benefit of the creation.

Laws are not always top down. A team may have laws that apply horizontally for example; and what's more? These laws may have been created collectively by the members.

Team laws are team laws. You can change them as you want. Football laws apply to football only. And tennis laws apply to tennis, they can change it. But both these teams are under sports laws e.g. anti-doping. The football player cannot change the law of doping as he wish.
AlphDoti
#28 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 3:32:26 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
For something to be fool proof, then it must be tasted for all conditions, but all conditions aren't always accessible to humans...

I'm I stand for is fool proof and apply in all conditions. You can site any condition, and it will apply. Even the current topic: gambling, betting...

Let's try an example. Given the common definition of gambling, taking into consideration chance and probability; consider a sport pesa player who using complex formulae has noted trends that reduce the chance of wrong predictions to less than 50%. Given that in say sport betting the chances of making a profit need one to be right more than 52% of the time, would this player be gambling?

Is the farmer a gambler if he sows his seeds in anticipation of the rains?

There is wisdom behind prohibiting gambling by the creator who created us. And a reasonable person like you, with so much wisdom can easily see the many reasons behind it.

These are a few:

1. Gambling makes one dependent on chance, luck and self-deception in terms of earnings, rather than working hard, sweating. It tends to make people stop from working and producing.

2. Gambling destroys families, and results in loss of wealth. It can turn a family from wealth to poverty within a short time.

3. Gambling turns people into bad habits such as wasting time and effort, getting used to laziness and idleness.

4. Gambling creates enemies and hatred among those who play the game, coz when one looses, the other gains...

As a result of the above, many families which become poor as a result of gambling, many children go hungry and naked due to gambling, many marriages fail or jobs lost coz of one person with gambling habit.
tycho
#29 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 3:55:25 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
For something to be fool proof, then it must be tasted for all conditions, but all conditions aren't always accessible to humans...

I'm I stand for is fool proof and apply in all conditions. You can site any condition, and it will apply. Even the current topic: gambling, betting...

Let's try an example. Given the common definition of gambling, taking into consideration chance and probability; consider a sport pesa player who using complex formulae has noted trends that reduce the chance of wrong predictions to less than 50%. Given that in say sport betting the chances of making a profit need one to be right more than 52% of the time, would this player be gambling?

Is the farmer a gambler if he sows his seeds in anticipation of the rains?

There is wisdom behind prohibiting gambling by the creator who created us. And a reasonable person like you, with so much wisdom can easily see the many reasons behind it.

These are a few:

1. Gambling makes one dependent on chance, luck and self-deception in terms of earnings, rather than working hard, sweating. It tends to make people stop from working and producing.

2. Gambling destroys families, and results in loss of wealth. It can turn a family from wealth to poverty within a short time.

3. Gambling turns people into bad habits such as wasting time and effort, getting used to laziness and idleness.

4. Gambling creates enemies and hatred among those who play the game, coz when one looses, the other gains...

As a result of the above, many families which become poor as a result of gambling, many children go hungry and naked due to gambling, many marriages fail or jobs lost coz of one person with gambling habit.


True. Many a times gambling has negative consequences at least to the social fabric. But there are always exceptions. Let's take a story from the Bible. The widow of Zarephath who cooked Elijah the prophet her last chapatis before probably dieing of hunger.

Because in my opinion, gambling is bad mostly because it doesn't offer a fair chance for winning; unlike anticipating the rains, the woman took a gamble because there was no reasonable proof that there was a chance she'd have any more food. Yet she gambled. And that's probably the moral of the story...

Gambling fed her family and won her God's favor.
tycho
#30 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 3:58:00 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Laws don't have to be issued by the creator. Laws can emerge as a consequence of interaction of agents. Humans are agents that interact with other agents and are responsible for the discovery and even creation of laws.

As long as this is possible and true, then the question of God creating rules becomes almost irrelevant except in the context of mythologizing.

In every level there is authority. Laws are made top-down. The manufacturer creates something, and writes a manual. You as user of the equipment must comply with the top rules. If you make other rules, they must be working under the main rules. God creates rules for the benefit of the creation.

Laws are not always top down. A team may have laws that apply horizontally for example; and what's more? These laws may have been created collectively by the members.

Team laws are team laws. You can change them as you want. Football laws apply to football only. And tennis laws apply to tennis, they can change it. But both these teams are under sports laws e.g. anti-doping. The football player cannot change the law of doping as he wish.


The player can change the law of doping as he wishes if he has reasons and back up strong enough.

But fair enough, laws aren't always top-down as per your admission. Therefore assertions about the sources of laws need to be investigated carefully and competently.
AlphDoti
#31 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 4:23:28 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
For something to be fool proof, then it must be tasted for all conditions, but all conditions aren't always accessible to humans...

I'm I stand for is fool proof and apply in all conditions. You can site any condition, and it will apply. Even the current topic: gambling, betting...

Let's try an example. Given the common definition of gambling, taking into consideration chance and probability; consider a sport pesa player who using complex formulae has noted trends that reduce the chance of wrong predictions to less than 50%. Given that in say sport betting the chances of making a profit need one to be right more than 52% of the time, would this player be gambling?

Is the farmer a gambler if he sows his seeds in anticipation of the rains?

There is wisdom behind prohibiting gambling by the creator who created us. And a reasonable person like you, with so much wisdom can easily see the many reasons behind it.

These are a few:

1. Gambling makes one dependent on chance, luck and self-deception in terms of earnings, rather than working hard, sweating. It tends to make people stop from working and producing.

2. Gambling destroys families, and results in loss of wealth. It can turn a family from wealth to poverty within a short time.

3. Gambling turns people into bad habits such as wasting time and effort, getting used to laziness and idleness.

4. Gambling creates enemies and hatred among those who play the game, coz when one looses, the other gains...

As a result of the above, many families which become poor as a result of gambling, many children go hungry and naked due to gambling, many marriages fail or jobs lost coz of one person with gambling habit.


True. Many a times gambling has negative consequences at least to the social fabric. But there are always exceptions. Let's take a story from the Bible. The widow of Zarephath who cooked Elijah the prophet her last chapatis before probably dieing of hunger.

Because in my opinion, gambling is bad mostly because it doesn't offer a fair chance for winning; unlike anticipating the rains, the woman took a gamble because there was no reasonable proof that there was a chance she'd have any more food. Yet she gambled. And that's probably the moral of the story...

Gambling fed her family and won her God's favor.

I'm glad you are seeing the sense.

And please do not confuse honor, hospitality, and generosity demonstrated by this woman for gambling. It is called sacrifice. Many people have done this in numerous occasions, they put the needs of others ahead of theirs.
AlphDoti
#32 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 4:26:20 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Laws don't have to be issued by the creator. Laws can emerge as a consequence of interaction of agents. Humans are agents that interact with other agents and are responsible for the discovery and even creation of laws.

As long as this is possible and true, then the question of God creating rules becomes almost irrelevant except in the context of mythologizing.

In every level there is authority. Laws are made top-down. The manufacturer creates something, and writes a manual. You as user of the equipment must comply with the top rules. If you make other rules, they must be working under the main rules. God creates rules for the benefit of the creation.

Laws are not always top down. A team may have laws that apply horizontally for example; and what's more? These laws may have been created collectively by the members.

Team laws are team laws. You can change them as you want. Football laws apply to football only. And tennis laws apply to tennis, they can change it. But both these teams are under sports laws e.g. anti-doping. The football player cannot change the law of doping as he wish.

The player can change the law of doping as he wishes if he has reasons and back up strong enough.

But fair enough, laws aren't always top-down as per your admission. Therefore assertions about the sources of laws need to be investigated carefully and competently.

The DECISION lies with the regulator and not the football team. The player can only agitate and shout and seek legal re-dress... I know you see the point... just playing hard to get.
tycho
#33 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 4:26:43 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
For something to be fool proof, then it must be tasted for all conditions, but all conditions aren't always accessible to humans...

I'm I stand for is fool proof and apply in all conditions. You can site any condition, and it will apply. Even the current topic: gambling, betting...

Let's try an example. Given the common definition of gambling, taking into consideration chance and probability; consider a sport pesa player who using complex formulae has noted trends that reduce the chance of wrong predictions to less than 50%. Given that in say sport betting the chances of making a profit need one to be right more than 52% of the time, would this player be gambling?

Is the farmer a gambler if he sows his seeds in anticipation of the rains?

There is wisdom behind prohibiting gambling by the creator who created us. And a reasonable person like you, with so much wisdom can easily see the many reasons behind it.

These are a few:

1. Gambling makes one dependent on chance, luck and self-deception in terms of earnings, rather than working hard, sweating. It tends to make people stop from working and producing.

2. Gambling destroys families, and results in loss of wealth. It can turn a family from wealth to poverty within a short time.

3. Gambling turns people into bad habits such as wasting time and effort, getting used to laziness and idleness.

4. Gambling creates enemies and hatred among those who play the game, coz when one looses, the other gains...

As a result of the above, many families which become poor as a result of gambling, many children go hungry and naked due to gambling, many marriages fail or jobs lost coz of one person with gambling habit.


True. Many a times gambling has negative consequences at least to the social fabric. But there are always exceptions. Let's take a story from the Bible. The widow of Zarephath who cooked Elijah the prophet her last chapatis before probably dieing of hunger.

Because in my opinion, gambling is bad mostly because it doesn't offer a fair chance for winning; unlike anticipating the rains, the woman took a gamble because there was no reasonable proof that there was a chance she'd have any more food. Yet she gambled. And that's probably the moral of the story...

Gambling fed her family and won her God's favor.

I'm glad you are seeing the sense.

And please do not confuse honor, hospitality, and generosity demonstrated by this woman for gambling. It is called sacrifice. Many people have done this in numerous occasions, they put the needs of others ahead of theirs.


One can both sacrifice and gamble and do many other things together and at the same time. As for the 'sense' I have changed nothing in my argument so far. But if there's some agreement then that's fair enough.
tycho
#34 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 4:29:03 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Laws don't have to be issued by the creator. Laws can emerge as a consequence of interaction of agents. Humans are agents that interact with other agents and are responsible for the discovery and even creation of laws.

As long as this is possible and true, then the question of God creating rules becomes almost irrelevant except in the context of mythologizing.

In every level there is authority. Laws are made top-down. The manufacturer creates something, and writes a manual. You as user of the equipment must comply with the top rules. If you make other rules, they must be working under the main rules. God creates rules for the benefit of the creation.

Laws are not always top down. A team may have laws that apply horizontally for example; and what's more? These laws may have been created collectively by the members.

Team laws are team laws. You can change them as you want. Football laws apply to football only. And tennis laws apply to tennis, they can change it. But both these teams are under sports laws e.g. anti-doping. The football player cannot change the law of doping as he wish.

The player can change the law of doping as he wishes if he has reasons and back up strong enough.

But fair enough, laws aren't always top-down as per your admission. Therefore assertions about the sources of laws need to be investigated carefully and competently.

The DECISION lies with the regulator and not the football team. I know you see the point... just playing hard to get...


Not really. The team is also a decider. Laws are rarely decided by one entity. Reminds me of the Magna charta... A king will lose his head if he arrogates such power.
AlphDoti
#35 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 4:42:25 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
For something to be fool proof, then it must be tasted for all conditions, but all conditions aren't always accessible to humans...

I'm I stand for is fool proof and apply in all conditions. You can site any condition, and it will apply. Even the current topic: gambling, betting...

Let's try an example. Given the common definition of gambling, taking into consideration chance and probability; consider a sport pesa player who using complex formulae has noted trends that reduce the chance of wrong predictions to less than 50%. Given that in say sport betting the chances of making a profit need one to be right more than 52% of the time, would this player be gambling?

Is the farmer a gambler if he sows his seeds in anticipation of the rains?

There is wisdom behind prohibiting gambling by the creator who created us. And a reasonable person like you, with so much wisdom can easily see the many reasons behind it.

These are a few:

1. Gambling makes one dependent on chance, luck and self-deception in terms of earnings, rather than working hard, sweating. It tends to make people stop from working and producing.

2. Gambling destroys families, and results in loss of wealth. It can turn a family from wealth to poverty within a short time.

3. Gambling turns people into bad habits such as wasting time and effort, getting used to laziness and idleness.

4. Gambling creates enemies and hatred among those who play the game, coz when one looses, the other gains...

As a result of the above, many families which become poor as a result of gambling, many children go hungry and naked due to gambling, many marriages fail or jobs lost coz of one person with gambling habit.


True. Many a times gambling has negative consequences at least to the social fabric. But there are always exceptions. Let's take a story from the Bible. The widow of Zarephath who cooked Elijah the prophet her last chapatis before probably dieing of hunger.

Because in my opinion, gambling is bad mostly because it doesn't offer a fair chance for winning; unlike anticipating the rains, the woman took a gamble because there was no reasonable proof that there was a chance she'd have any more food. Yet she gambled. And that's probably the moral of the story...

Gambling fed her family and won her God's favor.

I'm glad you are seeing the sense.

And please do not confuse honor, hospitality, and generosity demonstrated by this woman for gambling. It is called sacrifice. Many people have done this in numerous occasions, they put the needs of others ahead of theirs.

One can both sacrifice and gamble and do many other things together and at the same time. As for the 'sense' I have changed nothing in my argument so far. But if there's some agreement then that's fair enough.

I think you need to learn more about SACRIFICE. It is a concept many misunderstand. There is not disagreement among the learned that sacrifice is a virtue.

But as for GAMBLING, it is common dinominator among the GREEDY. It is a means many people have fallen into destruction. Gambling destroys a lot of things, even if the initial aim is just money. Habits such as drinking, smoking, bad company, confusion, cheating, hatred, watching for opportunities to take advantage of others, deception and all other kinds of evil come as a result of gambling...

So please research...

Quote: “Sacrifice is the relinquishing or giving up a value for another value of higher consequence.”.

That means a person should never give up a value for a lesser value. So for the woman in the Bible, she sacrificed food for better life in Paradise i.e. wining the favour of God. SO if you don't believe in the Bible, don't quote, otherwise, you must also agree with the context of the story.
tycho
#36 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 4:48:31 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
For something to be fool proof, then it must be tasted for all conditions, but all conditions aren't always accessible to humans...

I'm I stand for is fool proof and apply in all conditions. You can site any condition, and it will apply. Even the current topic: gambling, betting...

Let's try an example. Given the common definition of gambling, taking into consideration chance and probability; consider a sport pesa player who using complex formulae has noted trends that reduce the chance of wrong predictions to less than 50%. Given that in say sport betting the chances of making a profit need one to be right more than 52% of the time, would this player be gambling?

Is the farmer a gambler if he sows his seeds in anticipation of the rains?

There is wisdom behind prohibiting gambling by the creator who created us. And a reasonable person like you, with so much wisdom can easily see the many reasons behind it.

These are a few:

1. Gambling makes one dependent on chance, luck and self-deception in terms of earnings, rather than working hard, sweating. It tends to make people stop from working and producing.

2. Gambling destroys families, and results in loss of wealth. It can turn a family from wealth to poverty within a short time.

3. Gambling turns people into bad habits such as wasting time and effort, getting used to laziness and idleness.

4. Gambling creates enemies and hatred among those who play the game, coz when one looses, the other gains...

As a result of the above, many families which become poor as a result of gambling, many children go hungry and naked due to gambling, many marriages fail or jobs lost coz of one person with gambling habit.


True. Many a times gambling has negative consequences at least to the social fabric. But there are always exceptions. Let's take a story from the Bible. The widow of Zarephath who cooked Elijah the prophet her last chapatis before probably dieing of hunger.

Because in my opinion, gambling is bad mostly because it doesn't offer a fair chance for winning; unlike anticipating the rains, the woman took a gamble because there was no reasonable proof that there was a chance she'd have any more food. Yet she gambled. And that's probably the moral of the story...

Gambling fed her family and won her God's favor.

I'm glad you are seeing the sense.

And please do not confuse honor, hospitality, and generosity demonstrated by this woman for gambling. It is called sacrifice. Many people have done this in numerous occasions, they put the needs of others ahead of theirs.

One can both sacrifice and gamble and do many other things together and at the same time. As for the 'sense' I have changed nothing in my argument so far. But if there's some agreement then that's fair enough.

I think you need to learn more about SACRIFICE. It is a concept many misunderstand. There is not disagreement among the learned that sacrifice is a virtue.

But as for GAMBLING, it is common dinominator among the GREEDY. It is a means many people have fallen into destruction. Gambling destroys a lot of things, even if the initial aim is just money. Habits such as drinking, smoking, bad company, confusion, cheating, hatred, watching for opportunities to take advantage of others, deception and all other kinds of evil come as a result of gambling...

So please research...

Quote: “Sacrifice is the relinquishing or giving up a value for another value of higher consequence.”.

That means a person should never give up a value for a lesser value. So for the woman in the Bible, she sacrificed food for better life in Paradise i.e. wining the favour of God. SO if you don't believe in the Bible, don't quote, otherwise, you must also agree with the context of the story.


1. Not all gambling is a consequence of greed.
2. Gambling is about fair chances and if fair chances are precluded, even if that act also entails sacrifice as you've defined it.

I believe in the Bible, and so do I believe in other scriptures... and the context in this case, if you may take a look at it again has gambling and grumbling in it!
AlphDoti
#37 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 5:09:27 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
...So if you don't believe in the Bible, don't quote, otherwise, you must also agree with the context of the story.

...Gambling is about fair chances and if fair chances are precluded, even if that act also entails sacrifice as you've defined it.

I believe in the Bible, and so do I believe in other scriptures... and the context in this case, if you may take a look at it again has gambling and grumbling in it!

So, if you believe in the Bible, you need to be obedient to what it says. Gambling is a way to bypass work, but the Bible counsels YOU to persevere and work hard:

"Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth." (Proverbs 10:4)
tycho
#38 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 5:16:53 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
...So if you don't believe in the Bible, don't quote, otherwise, you must also agree with the context of the story.

...Gambling is about fair chances and if fair chances are precluded, even if that act also entails sacrifice as you've defined it.

I believe in the Bible, and so do I believe in other scriptures... and the context in this case, if you may take a look at it again has gambling and grumbling in it!

So, if you believe in the Bible, you need to be obedient to what it says. Gambling is a way to bypass work, but the Bible counsels YOU to persevere and work hard:

"Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth." (Proverbs 10:4)


Gambling isn't necessarily about bypassing work. On the contrary, something like sport betting may involve a lot of work and perseverance.

Finally, take some time to understand what I've argued on this post. Call it 'critical listening'.
AlphDoti
#39 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 6:15:09 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
...So if you don't believe in the Bible, don't quote, otherwise, you must also agree with the context of the story.

...Gambling is about fair chances and if fair chances are precluded, even if that act also entails sacrifice as you've defined it.

I believe in the Bible, and so do I believe in other scriptures... and the context in this case, if you may take a look at it again has gambling and grumbling in it!

So, if you believe in the Bible, you need to be obedient to what it says. Gambling is a way to bypass work, but the Bible counsels YOU to persevere and work hard:

"Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth." (Proverbs 10:4)


Gambling isn't necessarily about bypassing work. On the contrary, something like sport betting may involve a lot of work and perseverance.

Finally, take some time to understand what I've argued on this post. Call it 'critical listening'.

I knew you don't believe anything your Bible says, all is for beautification and rhetoric.

So with your critical thinking, then take it that gambling has more cons than pros. For that reason, it shouldn't be encouraged.
AlphDoti
#40 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 6:17:31 PM
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@dunkang, just for your concsience, Bible verses regarding money:

(1). Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless. (Ecclesiastes 5:10)

(2). "No servant can serve two masters. [Jesus said.] Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." (Luke 16:13)

(3). For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. (1 Timothy 6:10)

(4). AS I said before, the Bible counsels YOU to persevere and work hard:

"Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth." (Proverbs 10:4)
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