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Is it true about SUPKEM and DSTV
Fundaah
#76 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:26:08 PM
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Kenya is over 80% christian...and counting...why are we so worried that we will be ruled by less than 20% Muslims yet we have the numbers .....we pass the constitution as it is ....then if anyone thinks he can bring sharia laws we deal with it using our numbers ....1 million signatures isnt much for a country with over 20million eligible christian voters...is it?
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
masukuma
#77 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:28:59 PM
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Now actions from SUPKEM have be taken as government actions. sasa hiyo ndio ninasema.
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Hardhitter
#78 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:32:03 PM
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Fundaah wrote:
Kenya is over 80% christian...and counting...why are we so worried that we will be ruled by less than 20% Muslims yet we have the numbers .....we pass the constitution as it is ....then if anyone thinks he can bring sharia laws we deal with it using our numbers ....1 million signatures isnt much for a country with over 20million eligible christian voters...is it?


tru.
masukuma
#79 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:39:07 PM
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@Fundaa, @Hardhitter - you are not getting my point!! I don't want to rubber-stamp this nonsense with a YES vote. Force Raila and Kibaki to convince their cronies to change this draft so that we don't need to wait for some point in future only to be told that we ACCEPTED the draft as-is with our YES votes.
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B.Timer
#80 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:46:13 PM
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Fundaah wrote:
Kenya is over 80% christian...and counting...why are we so worried that we will be ruled by less than 20% Muslims yet we have the numbers .....we pass the constitution as it is ....then if anyone thinks he can bring sharia laws we deal with it using our numbers ....1 million signatures isnt much for a country with over 20million eligible christian voters...is it?



The logistics involved in collecting a million valid signatures from registered voters is daunting.
Infact, unless it is undertaken by the Govt itself, it may prove very tricky.

Think of infiltration by fellows of the opposite camp keen on derailing you.
They could deliberately give you wrong info, or sign ten times on purpose etc.

Ascertaining a valid voter and/or voters card unless you have the register isnt easy either.

The time to seperate the chaff from the wheat is now.

Lets have a multiple question plebiscite - voting contentious issues seperately from the main body of the constitution.

Is that to ask for too much?
Dunia ni msongamano..
Fundaah
#81 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:49:15 PM
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Masukuma...I think we are just being unrealistic...expecting the MPigs to ammend the draft while we saw what happened in parliament while the Draft was being passed is like saying we are comfortable with the current draft....because the MPs WILL SIMPLY NOT REACH A CONSENSUS TO AMMEND IT......even if we wait for year 3020...

We only have two choices .

Old constitution ....

or Draft constitution as it is....

Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
masukuma
#82 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:03:29 PM
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@Fundaa, don't cut corners for them. they are a bunch of spoiled children. a few street protests and they will know we want it changed. i will not rubber-stamp their irresponsibility.
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Feish
#83 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:02:44 PM
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Am just worried coz i border this NE area. But am sure something will happen. Again I saw gava taking responsibility which i believe its not true
youcan'tstopusnow
#84 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:29:09 PM
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Wajinga wapige No.
What the f*** is wrong with some people?
Even if the Kadhi's court is expunged from the constitution, it will not abolish SUPKEM.
There is a difference between Supkem and Kadhis courtss. Kadhi's courts deals with marriage and inheritance.
What the hell has supkem banning DSTV halls in North Eastern got to do with the Kadhhi's Courts?
It has ABSOLUTELY NO CORRELATION.
Think before kupayuka and exposing your ignorances. Talk only what you know.
Katiiba itapita hata mkilia mavi.
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masukuma
#85 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:21:19 AM
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@youcantstopusnow,
We will not be shut-up by your insults.
We don't want Kadhi's courts in our constitution - Muslims can fund them in another way since they are not PUBLIC offices. let them be funded by their beneficiaries.
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Fundaah
#86 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:29:50 AM
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masukuma wrote:
We will not.... shut-up.
We don't want Kadhi's courts in our constitution .


Masukuma
here is some voice of reason from very unexpected quarters

http://www.nation.co.ke/...24/-/x7t098/-/index.html
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Wendz
#87 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:10:14 AM
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Hardhitter wrote:
Fundaah wrote:
Kenya is over 80% christian...and counting...why are we so worried that we will be ruled by less than 20% Muslims yet we have the numbers .....we pass the constitution as it is ....then if anyone thinks he can bring sharia laws we deal with it using our numbers ....1 million signatures isnt much for a country with over 20million eligible christian voters...is it?


tru.


@Fundaah and hardhitter

I think the worry would be that an average kenyan woman will bear an average of 2 children and for obvious reasons... an average somali woman (kenyan or not - we can clamp the muslim women together for ease of generalisation)will bear 6 children. Infact, a muslim friend of mine has a two brothers. one has 7 kids, the othr has 11 kids... tell me which woman from central, nyanza, western etc will bear this number of children? In the long run, you see where we might be headed....

@Nay sayers

That not withstanding, as much as there is a valid reason to separate the state from the religion, it is not an enough reason to vote this constitution NO. Look at it this way. None of the christians really want to khadhi courts in the constitution and but if its going to lead us into voting the whole constitution no, then we are willing to compromise. Raising 1m votes is very easy on khadhi courts and abortion issues and thats where the church is going wrong! just encourage the faithfuls to vote yes, then if all they need is a million signatures, just set aside one sunday for all christians, have books outside the church for all the christians who are opposed to it to endorse their signatures and there we have over 10 million signatures on both issues on one day which will force the government to amend those clauses but still we will have the 90% good of the constititution..... We need to think outside the box! And guess what? they only need one month to announce the set date for all churches to vote and call their faithful to do so and their only cost is purchase of the signature book.... then submit to NCCK which will compile and hand over to the government! and everyone will be happy.... infact, almost all of the Yah sayers will help vote NO to those contentious issues which makes it easier to get the million signatures they need. Ala? what is rocket science in that? There are a million ways of killing a rat.... including biting it severally????????????
Mpenzi
#88 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09:22 AM
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@Wendz - Amending the Constitution will not be as easy as ABC as you purport. See sections 255 to 257 of the Draft.You will still have to negotiate thro the counties and parliament.

Amendment of this Constitution

255. (1) A proposed amendment to this Constitution shall be enacted in accordance
with Article 256 or 257, and approved in accordance with clause (2) by a referendum, if the amendment relates to any of the following matters––
(a) the supremacy of this Constitution;
(b) the territory of Kenya;
(c) the sovereignty of the people;
(d) the national values and principles of governance mentioned in Article 10 (2) (a) to (d);
(e) the Bill of Rights;
(f) the term of office of the President;
(g) the independence of the Judiciary and the commissions and independent offices to which Chapter Fifteen applies;
(h) the functions of Parliament;
(i) the objects, principles and structure of devolved government; or
(j) the provisions of this Chapter.

(2) A proposed amendment is approved by a referendum under clause (1) if––
(a) at least twenty per cent of the registered voters in each of at least half of the counties vote in the referendum; and
(b) the amendment is supported by a simple majority of the citizens voting in the referendum.

(3) An amendment to this Constitution that does not relate to a matter mentioned in clause (1) shall be enacted either—
(a) by Parliament, in accordance with Article 256; or
(b) by the people and Parliament, in accordance with Article 257.


Amendment by parliamentary initiative

256. (1) A Bill to amend this Constitution—
(a) may be introduced in either House of Parliament;
(b) may not address any other matter apart from consequential amendments to legislation arising from the Bill;
(c) shall not be called for second reading in either House within ninety days after the first reading of the Bill in that House; and
(d) shall have been passed by Parliament when each House of Parliament has passed the Bill, in both its second and third readings, by not less than two-thirds of all the members of that House.

(2) Parliament shall publicise any Bill to amend this Constitution, and facilitate
public discussion about the Bill.

(3) After Parliament enacts a Bill to amend this Constitution, the Speakers of the two Houses of Parliament shall jointly submit to the President—
(a) the Bill, for assent and publication; and
(b) a certificate that the Bill has been enacted by Parliament in accordance with this Article.

(4) Subject to clause (5), the President shall assent to the Bill and cause it to be published within thirty days after the Bill is enacted by Parliament.

(5) If a Bill to amend this Constitution proposes an amendment relating to a
matter mentioned in Article 255 (1)—
(a) before assenting to the Bill, the President shall request the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission to conduct, within ninety days, a national referendum for approval of the Bill; and
(b) within thirty days after the chairperson of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission has certified to the President that the Bill has been approved in accordance with Article 255 (2), the President
shall assent to the Bill and cause it to be published.

Amendment by popular initiative

257. (1) An amendment to this Constitution may be proposed by a popular initiative
signed by at least one million registered voters.

(2) A popular initiative for an amendment to this Constitution may be in the
form of a general suggestion or a formulated draft Bill.

(3) If a popular initiative is in the form of a general suggestion, the promoters
of that popular initiative shall formulate it into a draft Bill.

(4) The promoters of a popular initiative shall deliver the draft Bill and the supporting signatures to the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission, which shall verify that the initiative is supported by at least
one million registered voters.

(5) If the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission is satisfied that the initiative meets the requirements of this Article, the Commission shall submit the draft Bill to each county assembly for consideration within three
months after the date it was submitted by the Commission.

(6) If a county assembly approves the draft Bill within three months after the date it was submitted by the Commission, the speaker of the county assembly shall deliver a copy of the draft Bill jointly to the Speakers of the
two Houses of Parliament, with a certificate that the county assembly has approved it.

(7) If a draft Bill has been approved by a majority of the county assemblies, it
shall be introduced in Parliament without delay.

(8) A Bill under this Article is enacted by Parliament if supported by a majority
of the members of each House.

(9) If Parliament enacts the Bill, it shall be submitted to the President for assent
in accordance with Articles 256 (4) and (5).

(10) If either House of Parliament fails to pass the Bill, or the Bill relates to a
matter mentioned in 255 (1), the proposed amendment shall be submitted to
the people in a referendum.

(11) Article 255 (2) applies, with any necessary modifications, to a referendum
under clause (9).
famooz
#89 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:34:35 AM
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True amending katiba is not as simple as ABC. i think we are caught between a rock and a hard place...which ever way,we are screwed.

As a Christian,i don like the contempt with which Kibs and RO are treating the clergy
On the other side,i am well aware that the clergy are compromised big time- they have lost credibility.Reminds me of Ayatollah the Iranian leader who tried to stop the people's revolution in Iran. He was shocked. I see a resounding Yes and then the clergy will sink further than they already have...............and then we are a nation of majority Christian but with 'voiceless' leaders. Effects will last way after the hyped referendum.
Wendz
#90 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:46:13 AM
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Thanks @ mpenzi

though true that its difficult to amend the katiba, if the issue is that thorny, i am sure we can amend it..... in any case, we are going to amend it at some point in the future over something that we are not even aware is contentious right now..... you see... so, it still can be done however hard it is... problem with getting this document back without passing it is that we shall give these politicians another chance to spin our heads round for another looong looong loong time.... lets spin our heads with a few issues, not the whole mountain of issues....

still not convinced why i should vote NO when we can work on this afterwards!
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