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Is it true about SUPKEM and DSTV
B.Timer
#21 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:34:09 AM
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@ Kadonye
Kindly be a little more honest with us.

Does anybody else other than the Govt carry any power to BAN???

It would be a little better if they were prevailing upon the Govt to ensure that there are controls in that field.

Banning DSTV as they have, logically means you cant watch Soccer that is exclusively streammed via that channel.
It may be true that in the DSTV packages there may be some programmes whose moral standing is incompatipble with the one that Supkem and co want to promote.
But it is not for them to decide on such matters over any geographic extend beyond individual homes.
If any religion wants to gurd against moral decadence, what they need to do is persuade their followers to follow the thin and narrow, but not resort to active policing/governance.
Alternatively they may lobby the legal authorities to control, not "take law unto their hands".
Dunia ni msongamano..
masukuma
#22 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:38:03 AM
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@Kadonye, the only institution in Kenya that can ban stuff is the GOVERNMENT or are they the government now?
Maybe we were not copied in the memo that escalated SUPKEM to be part of the Executive and parliament for the Kenyan People.
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Dash
#23 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:43:46 AM
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@kadonye, if they are so much more legalistic than christians why havent we heard of similar instances in mombasa,nrb,eld,kitui,malaba...etc.there are muslims in these areas as well.what is special about north eastern? Yes it is predominantly muslim but arent they still part of kenya? Does the constitution not apply to them when it comes to certain things-freedom of gathering for instance. This is where this kadhi courts and sharia law come into play. They are already flexing their muscles
masukuma
#24 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:47:32 AM
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next...Supkem bans women in NEP from wearing bras since they are deceptive.
http://www.standardmedia...4026892&cid=491&
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masukuma
#25 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:52:27 AM
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Kenyans are playing with Fire...a wise man learns from experience, a wiser man learns from other peoples' experiences. Learn from Nigeria.
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:00:53 AM
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at this rate its a BIG NO for that katiba..............
kadonye
#27 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:06:44 AM
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They have no legal authority to ban.

But they have a hold on their flock so much that they can enforce a ban.

BTW kadonye is a born again Christian
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:16:58 AM
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..and for this reason... i am voting NO.Shame on you let the clause on Kadhi's court be exempt from voting and the draft is a Yes for me..
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masukuma
#29 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:17:28 AM
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@kadonye...go tell it to the birds. The only organ that can and should be able to BAN anything is the government. Thats why we don't want religious fingers (Christian or otherwise) anywhere in its running.
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:25:14 AM
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kadonye wrote:
They have no legal authority to ban.
But they have a hold on their flock so much that they can enforce a ban.


What happens to a non-Muslim that operates a DSTV joint in Moyale?

We are bending over backwards to accommodate Kadhi courts and daily Mu-sneezin and these guys are interpreting it as a license to screw us over. In Saudi Arabia you would be beheaded for starting a church. As usual, Africa swallows the democracy and 'tolerance' dogma hook, line and sinker as Western countries such as Canada, Belgium and France outdo each other in try to ban burqas.

Kenya is always outdoing itself in being a f****d up country.
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2012
#31 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:25:52 AM
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masukuma wrote:
@2012, does your church march to the nearest brothel or changaa joint and close it.


Maybe the churches ought to do these. I don't know if we Christians are extremely democratic, don't cares or cowards. We never stand up against evil, we just watch from a distance and wait for our Pastors to condemn the evil of the week on Sunday at the pulpit while we nod our heads.

BBI will solve it
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cherubin
#32 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:26:30 AM
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this a catch 22 position....vote NO and SUPKEM will go ahead and enforce the *&%"@*** ban on DSTV....vote YES and they will do the same.....so where does that leave us?Sad Shame on you
Njung'e
#33 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:28:24 AM
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Looks like Al-shabaab is on an expansion programme.....and we will never know what hit us......Am i thinking NO?
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callaspade
#34 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:29:24 AM
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...the more reason i buy a new pen for the meaning NO.
B.Timer
#35 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:29:56 AM
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kadonye wrote:
They have no legal authority to ban.

But they have a hold on their flock so much that they can enforce a ban.

BTW kadonye is a born again Christian


@Kadonye

Now that’s more like it, however......

Your religious persuasion not withstanding I must say that if they were tapping from the loyalty of their followers – by persuading them to give such dens a wide berth, we wouldn’t be so bothered.

But a ban!!! (in the universal sense, as opposed to the polemics you wanna introduce) simply beyond my ken.

Bwana we've have come to consider you as a voice of reason in this forum but today.....mmmm ....
you are wavering.
Give us our real Kadonye!!
Dunia ni msongamano..
Njung'e
#36 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:33:22 AM
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and daily Mu-sneezin[/color wrote:
and these guys are interpreting it as a license to screw us over


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masukuma
#37 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:38:59 AM
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@cherubin,3rd option Force these MPigs who we pay obscene amounts of money to change the Review Act and prevent a show-down.

@2012, are you a Christian? the fundamentals of Christianity is to deal with the intent!!! not the action since the action is a manifestation of the rot within. Thats why Christianity does not police its flock. Christianity is not legalistic. It points at moral wrongs but does not make the choice for you. since at the end of the day you will be held accountable by the law of the land or by God for all your actions.
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cherubin
#38 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:42:52 AM
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Njunge....Callaspade.....u just dont get it....YES or NO.....EFFECT IS THE SAME!!!
B.Timer
#39 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:45:18 AM
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2012 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
@2012, does your church march to the nearest brothel or changaa joint and close it.


Maybe the churches ought to do these. I don't know if we Christians are extremely democratic, don't cares or cowards. We never stand up against evil, we just watch from a distance and wait for our Pastors to condemn the evil of the week on Sunday at the pulpit while we nod our heads.



Seperation of church and state....

It is not for nothing.

And,

That point must never be allowed to get blurred.


Dunia ni msongamano..
poundfoolish
#40 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:47:05 AM
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This is the point where we admire them when in church closed doors for taking action on such matters..
but condemn them in public when it suits an argument..

Other wise ive always condemned them.... what do i do if im not muslim and my patrons are not muslim...i have to run my business.

Supkem have murkied the water..and now that i have just acquired my voters card.. im angling towards 'NO'
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