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Law Capping interest rates
Spikes
#231 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:05:20 AM
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streetwise wrote:
If it were me I would sign the bill with eyes closed. I don't know what pres is waiting for. The banks are talking years to implement what ?



. Muiruri Gachoka took a loan of kshs 6million from Bank of Baronda in 1979. In 2014, the bank was demanding Kshs200million from his estate (possibly he could not survive the demands and died). Having borrowed at 14% interest to begin with, the interest was raised to 45% without reference to him. The amount being demanded from him was thus 33 times the amounts he had borrowed. Such an amount is impossible to pay and he inevitably lost his several pieces of land and another property in Nairobi. Even after this, the bank still demanded Kshs 70million more.
Mr. Kenneth Matiba lost his Alliance Group of Hotels to Barclays bank. His Jadin Hotel had 60 acres of land and a 300metres beachfront according to Daily Nation of 8th. August 2016. It was sold for Kshs900 while his Hillcrest school was sold for Kshs620million. He was ruined for life.
Mr. John Kanya guaranteed his company for a loan of Kshs13.5million. By the time he argued his case of infuriated interest rates in court, the bank was demanding kshs 64.5million.
A Mr. Charles A Joroge was not lucky as well. His loan of Kshs30million ballooned to Kshs78.5million and his case is well documented in the quoted daily Nation. This is a story of only very small fraction of Kenyans who have suffered at the hand of banks let loose on Kenyans. Many have lost their homes while others have lost their business which had taken years to build.
During his presidential campaign in 2013, President Uhuru Kenyatta promised to bring down the interest rates. Now parliament has made his work easy by passing the motion on interest capping. He only needs to append his signature. Do it my dear president, do it today. It ought to have been done yesterday, but it is not too late. If you sign it today, you will have saved hundreds of Kenyans whose property is at the mercy of Banks greed.
I am making this desperate appeal on behalf of the oppressed Kenyans, please help me spread the same appeal to as many people as possible. Pass it to all your friends in the social and without the social media for maximum reach. You may not be a victim today but you never know tomorrow.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
chemirocha
#232 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:14:30 AM
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Spikes wrote:


. Muiruri Gachoka took a loan of kshs 6million from Bank of Baronda in 1979. In 2014, the bank was demanding Kshs200million from his estate (possibly he could not survive the demands and died). Having borrowed at 14% interest to begin with, the interest was raised to 45% without reference to him. The amount being demanded from him was thus 33 times the amounts he had borrowed. Such an amount is impossible to pay and he inevitably lost his several pieces of land and another property in Nairobi. Even after this, the bank still demanded Kshs 70million more.
Mr. Kenneth Matiba lost his Alliance Group of Hotels to Barclays bank. His Jadin Hotel had 60 acres of land and a 300metres beachfront according to Daily Nation of 8th. August 2016. It was sold for Kshs900 while his Hillcrest school was sold for Kshs620million. He was ruined for life.
Mr. John Kanya guaranteed his company for a loan of Kshs13.5million. By the time he argued his case of infuriated interest rates in court, the bank was demanding kshs 64.5million.
A Mr. Charles A Joroge was not lucky as well. His loan of Kshs30million ballooned to Kshs78.5million and his case is well documented in the quoted daily Nation. This is a story of only very small fraction of Kenyans who have suffered at the hand of banks let loose on Kenyans. Many have lost their homes while others have lost their business which had taken years to build.
During his presidential campaign in 2013, President Uhuru Kenyatta promised to bring down the interest rates. Now parliament has made his work easy by passing the motion on interest capping. He only needs to append his signature. Do it my dear president, do it today. It ought to have been done yesterday, but it is not too late. If you sign it today, you will have saved hundreds of Kenyans whose property is at the mercy of Banks greed.
I am making this desperate appeal on behalf of the oppressed Kenyans, please help me spread the same appeal to as many people as possible. Pass it to all your friends in the social and without the social media for maximum reach. You may not be a victim today but you never know tomorrow.


What an absurd justification for a flawed law.
streetwise
#233 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:20:16 AM
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Here we are talking of persons who have died due to distress from banks. A bad law is better than the current situation. We will amend the law along the way as we experience these bad things people are talking about. I am sure those who said the constitution was bad can tell us about lessons learned
Obi 1 Kanobi
#234 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:26:40 AM
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ICPAK is pro-capping, Applause Applause Applause
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chemirocha
#235 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:29:40 AM
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streetwise wrote:
Here we are talking of persons who have died due to distress from banks. A bad law is better than the current situation. We will amend the law along the way as we experience these bad things people are talking about. I am sure those who said the constitution was bad can tell us about lessons learned


So how about being denied a loan because you don't fit the banks' risk profile? This populist garbage doesn't solve the issues with accessing credit.
iMANI
#236 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:55:55 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
ICPAK is pro-capping, Applause Applause Applause



Quote:
The Institute of Certified Public Accountants of Kenya (ICPAK) has endorsed a Bill seeking to cap interest rates, saying if adopted it would provide a mechanism for regulation to benefit borrowers.

“Ceilings if well implemented can be a good way of protecting consumers from high interest rates, making loans affordable,” Julius Mwatu, ICPAK national vice chairman said in a statement Wednesday.


Quote:
ICPAK hit out at those opposing the Bill, saying the banking sector in Kenya has operated on “an oligopolistic market mode where credit pricing is not reflective of market fundamentals.”

The accountants' body also dismissed a claim by bankers that the proposed law will distort the market.

“It has been argued that prices charged for access to credit can be unpredictable and anticompetitive; and therefore higher than the true cost of lending. Setting [a] lower cap on interest would provide a conducive environment for lenders to operate,” ICPAK said.


Full story here
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Boris Boyka
#237 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:58:50 AM
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chemirocha wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Here we are talking of persons who have died due to distress from banks. A bad law is better than the current situation. We will amend the law along the way as we experience these bad things people are talking about. I am sure those who said the constitution was bad can tell us about lessons learned


So how about being denied a loan because you don't fit the banks' risk profile? This populist garbage doesn't solve the issues with accessing credit.

With time the corporate loaning becomes saturated, the risk profiling is moderated and wanjiku gets into the 'low risk' bracket. Time heals everything. Who ever thought if having unsecured loans years back?
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obiero
#238 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:35:11 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Here we are talking of persons who have died due to distress from banks. A bad law is better than the current situation. We will amend the law along the way as we experience these bad things people are talking about. I am sure those who said the constitution was bad can tell us about lessons learned


So how about being denied a loan because you don't fit the banks' risk profile? This populist garbage doesn't solve the issues with accessing credit.

With time the corporate loaning becomes saturated, the risk profiling is moderated and wanjiku gets into the 'low risk' bracket. Time heals everything. Who ever thought if having unsecured loans years back?

It is better to do something wrong quickly, than to do nothing right slowly - Bukusu proverb
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#239 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:37:48 AM
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chemirocha wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Here we are talking of persons who have died due to distress from banks. A bad law is better than the current situation. We will amend the law along the way as we experience these bad things people are talking about. I am sure those who said the constitution was bad can tell us about lessons learned


So how about being denied a loan because you don't fit the banks' risk profile? This populist garbage doesn't solve the issues with accessing credit.


I don't understand your comment. many people are denied loans everyday because they don't qualify? Ama what did you mean.

We are not suggesting that banks should lend money to every Wanjiku, Otieno & Kipchumba, what we are sayng is that they should not exploit the borrower just because they know the borrower has no other choices.

By the way the price of money is inelastic (meaning people will borrow even at 1000%) and thats what banks are taking advantage of.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
obiero
#240 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:39:09 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Here we are talking of persons who have died due to distress from banks. A bad law is better than the current situation. We will amend the law along the way as we experience these bad things people are talking about. I am sure those who said the constitution was bad can tell us about lessons learned


So how about being denied a loan because you don't fit the banks' risk profile? This populist garbage doesn't solve the issues with accessing credit.


I don't understand your comment. many people are denied loans everyday because they don't qualify? Ama what did you mean.

We are not suggesting that banks should lend money to every Wanjiku, Otieno & Kipchumba, what we are sayng is that they should not exploit the borrower just because they know the borrower has no other choices.

By the way the price of money is inelastic (meaning people will borrow even at 1000%) and thats what banks are taking advantage of.

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