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KCB HY 2016 results
obiero
#21 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2016 9:39:32 PM
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shocks wrote:
hisah wrote:


Interesting.

Hapa wamenichenga, I thought they needed a rights issue coz. capital to risk weighted assets ratio was low, sasa loans are up but they no longer require capital injection?

U are not alone

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mlennyma
#22 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2016 10:43:17 PM
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obiero wrote:
shocks wrote:
hisah wrote:


Interesting.

Hapa wamenichenga, I thought they needed a rights issue coz. capital to risk weighted assets ratio was low, sasa loans are up but they no longer require capital injection?

U are not alone

pending law will give direction, is the whole of s.sudan closed?
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hisah
#23 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2016 1:40:40 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
shocks wrote:
hisah wrote:


Interesting.

Hapa wamenichenga, I thought they needed a rights issue coz. capital to risk weighted assets ratio was low, sasa loans are up but they no longer require capital injection?

U are not alone

pending law will give direction, is the whole of s.sudan closed?

Like @vvs says, there is something here that's not quite right with simba. Mr Market has kicked it in teeth from 60s level to the current 31 level for a reason. Suddenly they reschedule the rights, which was a bad idea in a bear. What is simba not saying? Something stinks...
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obiero
#24 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2016 9:38:59 AM
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hisah wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
shocks wrote:
hisah wrote:


Interesting.

Hapa wamenichenga, I thought they needed a rights issue coz. capital to risk weighted assets ratio was low, sasa loans are up but they no longer require capital injection?

U are not alone

pending law will give direction, is the whole of s.sudan closed?

Like @vvs says, there is something here that's not quite right with simba. Mr Market has kicked it in teeth from 60s level to the current 31 level for a reason. Suddenly they reschedule the rights, which was a bad idea in a bear. What is simba not saying? Something stinks...

@hisah.. care to explain this something

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Pesa Nane
#25 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2016 10:57:41 AM
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obiero wrote:
hisah wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
shocks wrote:
hisah wrote:


Interesting.

Hapa wamenichenga, I thought they needed a rights issue coz. capital to risk weighted assets ratio was low, sasa loans are up but they no longer require capital injection?

U are not alone

pending law will give direction, is the whole of s.sudan closed?

Like @vvs says, there is something here that's not quite right with simba. Mr Market has kicked it in teeth from 60s level to the current 31 level for a reason. Suddenly they reschedule the rights, which was a bad idea in a bear. What is simba not saying? Something stinks...

@hisah.. care to explain this something


Rights issue was a fund raising exercise which has been solved through
1. Strong performance
2. Cheap long term debt
not to forget the 'foul-mooded' grizzly unleashed upon us

Quote:
KCB Bank Kenya, which is the leading subsidiary in the group, maintained a strong show on all key ratios with core capital to total risk weighted at 14.7% (CBK minimum-10.5%), total capital to total risk weighted assets at 16.0% (CBK minimum-14.5%), core capital to total deposits at 15.7% (minimum-8.0%) and liquidity ratio at 34.6% (CBK minimum-20%).

The high capital and liquidity ratios mean the Bank has strong headroom to fund bigger projects in the East African region.


Quote:
“We have strong cash flow and there is interest from international financiers willing to lend us up to $200 million (Sh20 billion).”

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watesh
#26 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2016 11:33:13 AM
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[quote=lochaz-index]Change of course by Kcb with regards to Chase bank. Were they not given a 'first refusal' by Cbk? Is this how the process was to be carried out? Me thinks they were not sincere from the get go. First they dropped Imperial Bank now Chase bank... http://www.theeastafrica...392-13akqknz/index.html[/quote]
Maybe it was a move to get in Chase Bank's pants and see what SME customers it can poach
Ericsson
#27 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2016 11:36:37 AM
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@watesh
The rot inside is too much.
KCB doesn't want to carry the liability as it may involve pumping in money.
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washiku
#28 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2016 1:44:52 PM
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hisah
#29 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2016 2:22:07 PM
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@obiero, shareholders approved the rights issue back in April 2016.

Mr Oigara told the shareholders that the additional funds would be used to boost the lender’s minimum capital requirements and double its loan book and deposits.

Suddenly we have changed the course since $200M debt can now be sourced internationally... So why waste shareholders time by calling for a rights issue then suddenly it's no longer valid? What has changed within 90 days? Are their forecasting models that short term??? d'oh!

Flip flopping management doesn't send encouraging signals to investors.

KCB puts off Sh10bn rights issue indefinitely. “The capital raising is rescheduled,” KCB’s chief executive Joshua Oigara said without indicating when the rights issue plan may be revisited.“We have strong cash flow and there is interest from international financiers willing to lend us up to $200 million (Sh20 billion).” The price decline has in turn made the rights issue less attractive since offering a discount price to incentivize shareholders’ participation would have potentially set a price below the bank’s current net asset value per share of Sh29.6.
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Ebenyo
#30 Posted : Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:11:49 AM
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I have started going through my copy of kcb HY 2016 results.
My preliminary observation is that things are going well to the right direction.
Q1 was definitely alarming as NPL increased by 30% from kshs 23 billion to kshs 30 bilion.
HY results indicates an increase of 8% from 30 bilion to 32 bilion.
I hope things stand that way till end year because of these
Good points to note:
*Shs 7 bilion will be recovered
from two contractors.They have been waiting for the treasury to pay them.
3 weeks ago,the chinese bank loaned 60 bilion to the treasury.Its this money that will pay the 7 bilion NPL.
*Shs 1 bilion will be recovered from the miling company of Tss which kcb seized one and a half weeks ago.
That will make a total of 8 bilion recovered npl by end year.
Going by these facts,FY 16 results will report a decrease of Npl from 32 bilion to 24 bilion.30% decrease.That means LLP will also decrease and the profits will increase!
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obiero
#31 Posted : Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:47:59 AM
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Ebenyo wrote:
I have started going through my copy of kcb HY 2016 results.
My preliminary observation is that things are going well to the right direction.
Q1 was definitely alarming as NPL increased by 30% from kshs 23 billion to kshs 30 bilion.
HY results indicates an increase of 8% from 30 bilion to 32 bilion.
I hope things stand that way till end year because of these
Good points to note:
*Shs 7 bilion will be recovered
from two contractors.They have been waiting for the treasury to pay them.
3 weeks ago,the chinese bank loaned 60 bilion to the treasury.Its this money that will pay the 7 bilion NPL.
*Shs 1 bilion will be recovered from the miling company of Tss which kcb seized one and a half weeks ago.
That will make a total of 8 bilion recovered npl by end year.
Going by these facts,FY 16 results will report a decrease of Npl from 32 bilion to 24 bilion.30% decrease.That means LLP will also decrease and the profits will increase!

Isnt that hearsay?? Will there be any new loans going bad??

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Ebenyo
#32 Posted : Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:53:05 AM
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obiero wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
I have started going through my copy of kcb HY 2016 results.
My preliminary observation is that things are going well to the right direction.
Q1 was definitely alarming as NPL increased by 30% from kshs 23 billion to kshs 30 bilion.
HY results indicates an increase of 8% from 30 bilion to 32 bilion.
I hope things stand that way till end year because of these
Good points to note:
*Shs 7 bilion will be recovered
from two contractors.They have been waiting for the treasury to pay them.
3 weeks ago,the chinese bank loaned 60 bilion to the treasury.Its this money that will pay the 7 bilion NPL.
*Shs 1 bilion will be recovered from the miling company of Tss which kcb seized one and a half weeks ago.
That will make a total of 8 bilion recovered npl by end year.
Going by these facts,FY 16 results will report a decrease of Npl from 32 bilion to 24 bilion.30% decrease.That means LLP will also decrease and the profits will increase!

Isnt that hearsay?? Will there be any new loans going bad??


hahaha! you are funny.I have made my comments based on the HY 2016 results.Thats not hearsay.
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Ebenyo
#33 Posted : Sunday, August 07, 2016 8:56:11 AM
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The main reason for the rights issue was,to improve the ratio of total capital to total risk weighted assets.This was to meet the cbk minimum requirements as kcb ratio were thinning.
This has been met with
1.HY 2016 improved earnings
2.Cash saved from scrip shares issued instead of cash dividends.
So there is no need for rights issue now.I agree with the management on this.

There are interests from international financiers wiling to lend the company kshs 20 bilion.Oigara has not said what the money will be used for.Based on the earlier plans,the money could be used for:
1.Acquisition of chase bank
2.Entry into mozambique,Somalia and Ethiopia.
This is a right direction and therefore there is no cause of alarm.
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sparkly
#34 Posted : Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:44:41 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
The main reason for the rights issue was,to improve the ratio of total capital to total risk weighted assets.This was to meet the cbk minimum requirements as kcb ratio were thinning.
This has been met with
1.HY 2016 improved earnings
2.Cash saved from scrip shares issued instead of cash dividends.
So there is no need for rights issue now.I agree with the management on this.

There are interests from international financiers wiling to lend the company kshs 20 bilion.Oigara has not said what the money will be used for.Based on the earlier plans,the money could be used for:
1.Acquisition of chase bank
2.Entry into mozambique,Somalia and Ethiopia.
This is a right direction and therefore there is no cause of alarm.


Announcing a rights then withdrawing is a sign of lack of management focus.
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obiero
#35 Posted : Sunday, August 07, 2016 3:49:59 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
The main reason for the rights issue was,to improve the ratio of total capital to total risk weighted assets.This was to meet the cbk minimum requirements as kcb ratio were thinning.
This has been met with
1.HY 2016 improved earnings
2.Cash saved from scrip shares issued instead of cash dividends.
So there is no need for rights issue now.I agree with the management on this.

There are interests from international financiers wiling to lend the company kshs 20 bilion.Oigara has not said what the money will be used for.Based on the earlier plans,the money could be used for:
1.Acquisition of chase bank
2.Entry into mozambique,Somalia and Ethiopia.
This is a right direction and therefore there is no cause of alarm.


Announcing a rights then withdrawing is a sign of lack of management focus.

Does this mean we shall go back to KES 60

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Pesa Nane
#36 Posted : Sunday, August 07, 2016 10:39:17 PM
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sparkly wrote:

Announcing a rights then withdrawing is a sign of lack of management focus.


On the flip side, I see a flexible & proactive management. They knew they had to shove up the ratios and skilfully kept their options open
1. tactically offer a scrip div to kill two birds with the same stone (save in lieu of cash div. + fund raise)
2. Upped their game to generate more profits
3. Shop and pick the cheapest funds (long term loan) without risking rights issue uncertainties + costs (there is wisdom in not tempting the bear unless cornered!! ask Fusion and their D-Reit smile )
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Angelica _ann
#37 Posted : Sunday, August 07, 2016 10:56:11 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
sparkly wrote:

Announcing a rights then withdrawing is a sign of lack of management focus.


On the flip side, I see a flexible & proactive management. They knew they had to shove up the ratios and skilfully kept their options open
1. tactically offer a scrip div to kill two birds with the same stone (save in lieu of cash div. + fund raise)
2. Upped their game to generate more profits
3. Shop and pick the cheapest funds (long term loan) without risking rights issue uncertainties + costs (there is wisdom in not tempting the bear unless cornered!! ask Fusion and their D-Reit smile )

Plus the interest rate capping law uncertainty. Management did great!!!
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hisah
#38 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 7:20:58 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
sparkly wrote:

Announcing a rights then withdrawing is a sign of lack of management focus.


On the flip side, I see a flexible & proactive management. They knew they had to shove up the ratios and skilfully kept their options open
1. tactically offer a scrip div to kill two birds with the same stone (save in lieu of cash div. + fund raise)
2. Upped their game to generate more profits
3. Shop and pick the cheapest funds (long term loan) without risking rights issue uncertainties + costs (there is wisdom in not tempting the bear unless cornered!! ask Fusion and their D-Reit smile )

Plus the interest rate capping law uncertainty. Management did great!!!

These options were all available, but they chose a rights issue. This management needs to be asked tough questions unless they can prove those options were not available. Mr market has cratered the price for a reason; NPLs etc...

Kengen, NBK rights drama... How did they fair in the market after rights being in limbo?
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Ebenyo
#39 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:27:54 PM
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HY 16 indicates total debt of the company stands at kshs 26,662,270,000.
Shareholders equity stands at kshs 90,955,968,000.
These represents a debt to equity ratio of 29%.
To me this is very healthy.
The management has decided to get another debt of kshs 20 bilion by end of next month.That will make the total debt to rise to kshs 46,662,270,000.
At the current shareholders equity,that will represents a 51% debt to equity ratio.But definitely according to the profit margins,i expect the shareholders equity to increase.This will mean a lower debt to equity ratio.
Since HY results were announced,there have been alot of worries and fear among wazuans.Based on the results alone,these are misguided fears.Maybe if there are other things beyond HY results which we dont know.Let those with the information share with us.
For example,we know the source of kshs 8 billion NPLs from the current total of kshs 32 bilion.Measures are in place to recover them.Next financial year,will be kshs 24 bilion if things stand this way.
I will only treat the following as hearsay,innuendo,maniac,phobic and propaganda unless proved documentary:
1.Going to election year,kcb will be raided by politicians for campaign cash.Being 24% owned by Gok,gives room for phobia.
2.The kshs 32 bilion npls,is as a result of arap samoei weekly harambees where he gives millions in donations.With Ngeny Biwott as board chair,this gives room for mania.
3.The 50/50 power sharing between Tna and urp is reflected in the board chair,Ngeny Biwott and chief financial officer Lawrence Kimathi.This gives room for propaganda.
We need to differentiate facts based on evidence and street talks.
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Ericsson
#40 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:33:10 PM
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As we continue debating on the above matters as Ebenyo has posted;the counter is headed towards 40 per share.
Slowly and unknowingly
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