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Is domestic violence justified K24?
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Domestic violence isn't so radically different from other forms of violence such that it's as justified as other forms of violence are justified.
For example, any of the parties at home should be justified to use violence for self defence with reasonable force.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Chief Guest wrote:sparkly wrote:This is controversial but hear me out. My grandfather once told me that people are just mammals, primates to be exact. The primate society is ruled with order, established through dominance. Equality in human societies is nothing more than a belief, a fallacy. Hence in any relationship, a woman is looking for security that the man provides for offspring.
A relationship where a man does not provide security or the woman does not feel secure is faulty. Such will result In the woman comparing the man to other men, esp the father, the ex or or the boss. General disrespect for the man even where he tries his best to provide for the family. In short, the woman becomes unruly. I am sure many married men have gone through this phase through their courtship and /or marriage. Yeah that phase where men feel like strangers in their own homes and the wife keeps on saying "my kitchen", "my house" and are tempted to escape to the bars and mipangos just to feel significant and influential.
Before it gets to that point, it is necessary to restore order through a show of dominance. A few slaps, some reflection and a promise that it will not recur if order is maintained is enough to restore the balance.
Word of caution, the show of dominance must be measured and intentional... make it clear that there is nothing personal, just maintaining order among the ranks.
It must not be habitual otherwise bottled anger, feeling of being trapped and resentment will arise. It must not degenerate into a drawn out cat fight otherwise the woman might be left with some doubts that maybe next time she might win.
If a man goes this route, he must also allow the woman's temper to subside, perhaps get a place to crash that night, otherwise he might wake up and find his transformer missing.
^^ words of my now deceased grandfather. In that second last paragraph, how do you establish dominance and at the same instant try to "chicken out". Or isn't getting a place to crash saying she's the boss? You can stay in your house on that day but if you must sleep, sleep with your eyes wide open. If you cannot keep your eyes open, make sure all sharp, corrosive and flammable objects are locked away safely. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/9/2009 Posts: 2,003
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sparkly wrote:This is controversial but hear me out. My grandfather once told me that people are just mammals, primates to be exact. The primate society is ruled with order, established through dominance. Equality in human societies is nothing more than a belief, a fallacy. Hence in any relationship, a woman is looking for security that the man provides for offspring.
A relationship where a man does not provide security or the woman does not feel secure is faulty. Such will result In the woman comparing the man to other men, esp the father, the ex or or the boss. General disrespect for the man even where he tries his best to provide for the family. In short, the woman becomes unruly. I am sure many married men have gone through this phase through their courtship and /or marriage. Yeah that phase where men feel like strangers in their own homes and the wife keeps on saying "my kitchen", "my house" and are tempted to escape to the bars and mipangos just to feel significant and influential.
Before it gets to that point, it is necessary to restore order through a show of dominance. A few slaps, some reflection and a promise that it will not recur if order is maintained is enough to restore the balance.
Word of caution, the show of dominance must be measured and intentional... make it clear that there is nothing personal, just maintaining order among the ranks.
It must not be habitual otherwise bottled anger, feeling of being trapped and resentment will arise. It must not degenerate into a drawn out cat fight otherwise the woman might be left with some doubts that maybe next time she might win.
If a man goes this route, he must also allow the woman's temper to subside, perhaps get a place to crash that night, otherwise he might wake up and find his transformer missing.
^^ words of my now deceased grandfather. What killed you grandfather?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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radio wrote:sparkly wrote:This is controversial but hear me out. My grandfather once told me that people are just mammals, primates to be exact. The primate society is ruled with order, established through dominance. Equality in human societies is nothing more than a belief, a fallacy. Hence in any relationship, a woman is looking for security that the man provides for offspring.
A relationship where a man does not provide security or the woman does not feel secure is faulty. Such will result In the woman comparing the man to other men, esp the father, the ex or or the boss. General disrespect for the man even where he tries his best to provide for the family. In short, the woman becomes unruly. I am sure many married men have gone through this phase through their courtship and /or marriage. Yeah that phase where men feel like strangers in their own homes and the wife keeps on saying "my kitchen", "my house" and are tempted to escape to the bars and mipangos just to feel significant and influential.
Before it gets to that point, it is necessary to restore order through a show of dominance. A few slaps, some reflection and a promise that it will not recur if order is maintained is enough to restore the balance.
Word of caution, the show of dominance must be measured and intentional... make it clear that there is nothing personal, just maintaining order among the ranks.
It must not be habitual otherwise bottled anger, feeling of being trapped and resentment will arise. It must not degenerate into a drawn out cat fight otherwise the woman might be left with some doubts that maybe next time she might win.
If a man goes this route, he must also allow the woman's temper to subside, perhaps get a place to crash that night, otherwise he might wake up and find his transformer missing.
^^ words of my now deceased grandfather. What killed you grandfather?  Ripe old age. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:radio wrote:sparkly wrote:This is controversial but hear me out. My grandfather once told me that people are just mammals, primates to be exact. The primate society is ruled with order, established through dominance. Equality in human societies is nothing more than a belief, a fallacy. Hence in any relationship, a woman is looking for security that the man provides for offspring.
A relationship where a man does not provide security or the woman does not feel secure is faulty. Such will result In the woman comparing the man to other men, esp the father, the ex or or the boss. General disrespect for the man even where he tries his best to provide for the family. In short, the woman becomes unruly. I am sure many married men have gone through this phase through their courtship and /or marriage. Yeah that phase where men feel like strangers in their own homes and the wife keeps on saying "my kitchen", "my house" and are tempted to escape to the bars and mipangos just to feel significant and influential.
Before it gets to that point, it is necessary to restore order through a show of dominance. A few slaps, some reflection and a promise that it will not recur if order is maintained is enough to restore the balance.
Word of caution, the show of dominance must be measured and intentional... make it clear that there is nothing personal, just maintaining order among the ranks.
It must not be habitual otherwise bottled anger, feeling of being trapped and resentment will arise. It must not degenerate into a drawn out cat fight otherwise the woman might be left with some doubts that maybe next time she might win.
If a man goes this route, he must also allow the woman's temper to subside, perhaps get a place to crash that night, otherwise he might wake up and find his transformer missing.
^^ words of my now deceased grandfather. What killed you grandfather?  Ripe old age. is that what they told you? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2014 Posts: 1,652
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masukuma wrote:sparkly wrote:radio wrote:sparkly wrote:This is controversial but hear me out. My grandfather once told me that people are just mammals, primates to be exact. The primate society is ruled with order, established through dominance. Equality in human societies is nothing more than a belief, a fallacy. Hence in any relationship, a woman is looking for security that the man provides for offspring.
A relationship where a man does not provide security or the woman does not feel secure is faulty. Such will result In the woman comparing the man to other men, esp the father, the ex or or the boss. General disrespect for the man even where he tries his best to provide for the family. In short, the woman becomes unruly. I am sure many married men have gone through this phase through their courtship and /or marriage. Yeah that phase where men feel like strangers in their own homes and the wife keeps on saying "my kitchen", "my house" and are tempted to escape to the bars and mipangos just to feel significant and influential.
Before it gets to that point, it is necessary to restore order through a show of dominance. A few slaps, some reflection and a promise that it will not recur if order is maintained is enough to restore the balance.
Word of caution, the show of dominance must be measured and intentional... make it clear that there is nothing personal, just maintaining order among the ranks.
It must not be habitual otherwise bottled anger, feeling of being trapped and resentment will arise. It must not degenerate into a drawn out cat fight otherwise the woman might be left with some doubts that maybe next time she might win.
If a man goes this route, he must also allow the woman's temper to subside, perhaps get a place to crash that night, otherwise he might wake up and find his transformer missing.
^^ words of my now deceased grandfather. What killed you grandfather?  Ripe old age. is that what they told you?  Your grandfather was avery wise man.Order must always be maintained.If the man doesnt show leadership then chaos will erupt. Hutia Mundu!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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There is a fool who has cut the wife's hands because she cannot give birth while tests have shown he is the one with a problem!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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sparkly wrote:This is controversial but hear me out. My grandfather once told me that people are just mammals, primates to be exact. The primate society is ruled with order, established through dominance. Equality in human societies is nothing more than a belief, a fallacy. Hence in any relationship, a woman is looking for security that the man provides for offspring.
A relationship where a man does not provide security or the woman does not feel secure is faulty. Such will result In the woman comparing the man to other men, esp the father, the ex or or the boss. General disrespect for the man even where he tries his best to provide for the family. In short, the woman becomes unruly. I am sure many married men have gone through this phase through their courtship and /or marriage. Yeah that phase where men feel like strangers in their own homes and the wife keeps on saying "my kitchen", "my house" and are tempted to escape to the bars and mipangos just to feel significant and influential.
Before it gets to that point, it is necessary to restore order through a show of dominance. A few slaps, some reflection and a promise that it will not recur if order is maintained is enough to restore the balance.
Word of caution, the show of dominance must be measured and intentional... make it clear that there is nothing personal, just maintaining order among the ranks.
It must not be habitual otherwise bottled anger, feeling of being trapped and resentment will arise. It must not degenerate into a drawn out cat fight otherwise the woman might be left with some doubts that maybe next time she might win.
If a man goes this route, he must also allow the woman's temper to subside, perhaps get a place to crash that night, otherwise he might wake up and find his transformer missing.
^^ words of my now deceased grandfather. Those were exact words of my grandfather and my uncle. They thought me a lot that I look back now and see my good grown family, and I say, alhamdullillah! Those who are not yet married are still in dream land. This is what I told them here in my post #117 in 2013.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Chief Guest wrote:sparkly wrote:This is controversial but hear me out. My grandfather once told me that people are just mammals, primates to be exact. The primate society is ruled with order, established through dominance. Equality in human societies is nothing more than a belief, a fallacy. Hence in any relationship, a woman is looking for security that the man provides for offspring.
A relationship where a man does not provide security or the woman does not feel secure is faulty. Such will result In the woman comparing the man to other men, esp the father, the ex or or the boss. General disrespect for the man even where he tries his best to provide for the family. In short, the woman becomes unruly. I am sure many married men have gone through this phase through their courtship and /or marriage. Yeah that phase where men feel like strangers in their own homes and the wife keeps on saying "my kitchen", "my house" and are tempted to escape to the bars and mipangos just to feel significant and influential.
Before it gets to that point, it is necessary to restore order through a show of dominance. A few slaps, some reflection and a promise that it will not recur if order is maintained is enough to restore the balance.
Word of caution, the show of dominance must be measured and intentional... make it clear that there is nothing personal, just maintaining order among the ranks.
It must not be habitual otherwise bottled anger, feeling of being trapped and resentment will arise. It must not degenerate into a drawn out cat fight otherwise the woman might be left with some doubts that maybe next time she might win.
If a man goes this route, he must also allow the woman's temper to subside, perhaps get a place to crash that night, otherwise he might wake up and find his transformer missing.
^^ words of my now deceased grandfather. In that second last paragraph, how do you establish dominance and at the same instant try to "chicken out". Or isn't getting a place to crash saying she's the boss? @chief, I will tell you when to establish dominance: at the very beginning... If you let things go unchecked for too long, it will be impossible to reverse without breaking something... So it must be done early in the relationship... Women will always test you like children test adults. They will test you to see how far they can break the order, and they keep pushing and they will go as long as allowed until they are the dominant. And that's the point you become "irrelevant" and "useless" as per women definition.
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