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Law Capping interest rates
MaichBlack
#91 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 9:32:08 PM
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streetwise wrote:
My take is that the banking industry has shown oligopolistic tendencies and despite all cries they don't listen. Since they are unable to make the decision to accept lower profits like their counter parts in the rest of the world, let’s do what is within our control , CAP the interest rates and then they can come to us with their proposals.

Offering a loan at 24% in is like robbery with violence.


So let’s throw the ball into the banks court and leave it there.


Who told you to take the loan??? This is not your money!! Jipange na pesa yako na you will not complain about interest rates.

You guys are talking as if the money in the bank is your money (the loanee) or is tax money!!

Willing buyer willing seller. If you think the loan is too expensive, stay away (see my opinion in the "Is taking a mortgage the worst decision ever?"). If you feel the banks are paying your peanuts on your deposits, withdraw your money and take it elsewhere (and that is why most of us are in Wazua - to get better ways to put our money to work)

Wacheni kulilia hapa like spoilt kids. Si mnasema kuna Saccos among others!? Na si muende huko!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#92 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 9:44:11 PM
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streetwise wrote:
So we need to keep high interest rates to make the rich even richer.

The time has come for us commoners to say NO and NOOOOOO!!.

They take you money , pay you peanuts ( you don't check how risky they of course), then they loan your brother at almost 10 times.

This bounders on fraud


Most major banks are listed in the stock exchange. You don't have to be rich to own a piece of the bank. Take the deposits for which you are being paid peanuts and buy a piece of the bank if you believe the owners are making a killing and getting richer?

Is this rocket science?

The only reason people park money in a bank is lack of ideas! Toa pesa yako!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
obiero
#93 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 9:45:14 PM
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lol @maich mortgage ya 7m utapata kwa sacco?? heri bank kuliko sacco
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alotoftalk
#94 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2016 2:21:07 AM
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The cap is not the biggest problem as this cap won't affect banks in the medium term but rather SMEs, unsecured credit and personal loans.

Banks lend money belonging to depositors, not their own capital. From that perspective, why would any depositor risk they money by lending at a higher risk/ lower rate than rates they can lend to the government on a risk free basis.

A smarter policy would be (1) introduce positive credit reference so as to profile good borrowers that deserve low interest rates (2) to cap government borrowing by limiting how much treasury bonds each bank can buy, (3) introduce discipline in government spending, (4) better bankruptcy, recovery and foreclosure laws. All which are pipe dreams when dealing with a rogue broke government.
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alotoftalk
#95 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2016 2:32:55 AM
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streetwise wrote:
So we need to keep high interest rates to make the rich even richer.

The time has come for us commoners to say NO and NOOOOOO!!.

They take you money , pay you peanuts ( you don't check how risky they of course), then they loan your brother at almost 10 times.

This bounders on fraud



In reality most deposits don't belong to commoners but to the government, corporates, government agencies and HNWIs.

And banks are doing them a service by collecting their excess money and loaning it to your brother who needs in a market where your brother is competing with a credit hungry government. If I can lend to the GoK at x9, your brother has to offer x10.
Investment philosophy development in progress...
obiero
#96 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:01:05 AM
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alotoftalk wrote:
streetwise wrote:
So we need to keep high interest rates to make the rich even richer.

The time has come for us commoners to say NO and NOOOOOO!!.

They take you money , pay you peanuts ( you don't check how risky they of course), then they loan your brother at almost 10 times.

This bounders on fraud



In reality most deposits don't belong to commoners but to the government, corporates, government agencies and HNWIs.

And banks are doing them a service by collecting their excess money and loaning it to your brother who needs in a market where your brother is competing with a credit hungry government. If I can lend to the GoK at x9, your brother has to offer x10.

That is OK, but no developed state has ever been built on high interest rates. Annual margin of profit on a number products/companies does not exceed 20% per year
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Ericsson
#97 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:57:32 AM
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That is why during NARC and Grand coalition the growth rates were good and effects were being felt by kenyans on their pockets.
Gvt borrowing was low and as a result interest rates also.
There was stability in the job/labour market;companies were hiring instead of down/right sizing as currently is the case.
Corporate profits were growing and default rates low.

For interest rates to reduce my suggestion would be first govt needs to reduce borrowing and cap it at a figure like sh.200bn per year.
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FRM2011
#98 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:21:14 AM
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We are all focussing on the wrong end of the proposed bill.

Talk to any banker handling corporate clients. 14.5% interest rate is a dream deal they would offer without thinking twice. The big-time syndicated loans, safaricom, kplc, kenya pipeline were all quoted at a floating rate based on 91-day t-bill rate plus a margin not exceeding 2%.

4% above cbr doesn't scare them. What terrifies the banksters, is the deposit rate pegged on 70% of cbr. Take equity bank's interest expense for example. Taken as a percentage of the customer deposit held, it averages 1%-1.5%. Were the new rules to take effect, their interest expense charge would grow at least 5-fold.

I suspect @maichblack knows this and his portfolio is badly exposed.

We know Uhuru won't sign the bill. But a warning shot has been fired.
Mainat
#99 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2016 12:50:42 PM
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Interest rates in Kenya are driven by two key things. GoK borrowing rate and the banking industry's history of loan losses. Right now, I believe npl is around 10%+ which is ridiculously high
Sehemu ndio nyumba
alotoftalk
#100 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:39:20 PM
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While we are comparing interest rates in Kenya and the developed world. Let's also remember that they have higher public savings, better laws to address default and above everything else a well developed credit score system.

All which help bring the NPL rates low through either behavior change (credit scores) or default recoveries (laws).
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