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Law Capping interest rates
mlennyma
#61 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 9:56:47 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Swenani wrote:
This is not about uhunye protecting his interests in CBA but it's common sense......It is a bad idea to cap interest rates-they are beter ways to reduce the rates if the govt is keen to.

Which are this other methods everyone keeps talking about and why has Treasury/CBK not applied them to the sector.

It is this failure by the CBK/Treasury to tame rates that has now forced the legislature to come up with this law

By the way interest rates caps of one form or another do exist in South Africa, India, Bangladesh.

In the US, France and even UK, caps do exist to check Usurious and predatory lenders. Our entire financial system is predatory and need to be checked through such caps.

this examples you are comparing with a third world economy makes you look a jocker,whats the population's financial ability?like india whats the country's population?billion.....in kenya 40million over 40 banks and Saccos where three quarters of the population is very poor
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penkon
#62 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 9:57:14 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Swenani wrote:
This is not about uhunye protecting his interests in CBA but it's common sense......It is a bad idea to cap interest rates-they are beter ways to reduce the rates if the govt is keen to.

Which are this other methods everyone keeps talking about and why has Treasury/CBK not applied them to the sector.

It is this failure by the CBK/Treasury to tame rates that has now forced the legislature to come up with this law

By the way interest rates caps of one form or another do exist in South Africa, India, Bangladesh.

In the US, France and even UK, caps do exist to check Usurious and predatory lenders. Our entire financial system is predatory and need to be checked through such caps.

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wukan
#63 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 10:13:43 AM
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Before we mess the credit market it's important to realize that the savings rate in kenya is only 13-15% of GDP which lower than the african average of 17%. An economy at our level of development should be doing around 25% of GDP. Asia countries were doing around 30% of GDP to take off economically.

Those who want interest rates controlled should be encouraged to save more for their projects instead of borrowing. If you must borrow it is willing buyer willing seller of credit. GoK is borrowing at 14% for 5 years shame on you if you think you can borrow my savings at 14.5%
mlennyma
#64 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 10:20:34 AM
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wukan wrote:
Before we mess the credit market it's important to realize that the savings rate in kenya is only 13-15% of GDP which lower than the african average of 17%. An economy at our level of development should be doing around 25% of GDP. Asia countries were doing around 30% of GDP to take off economically.

Those who want interest rates controlled should be encouraged to save more for their projects instead of borrowing. If you must borrow it is willing buyer willing seller of credit. GoK is borrowing at 14% for 5 years shame on you if you think you can borrow my savings at 14.5%

let people negotiate rates depending on their credit history /collateral and financial discipline
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streetwise
#65 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 10:33:26 AM
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My take is that the banking industry has shown oligopolistic tendencies and despite all cries they don't listen. Since they are unable to make the decision to accept lower profits like their counter parts in the rest of the world, let’s do what is within our control , CAP the interest rates and then they can come to us with their proposals.

Offering a loan at 24% in is like robbery with violence.

So let’s throw the ball into the banks court and leave it there.

mlennyma
#66 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 10:51:16 AM
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streetwise wrote:
My take is that the banking industry has shown oligopolistic tendencies and despite all cries they don't listen. Since they are unable to make the decision to accept lower profits like their counter parts in the rest of the world, let’s do what is within our control , CAP the interest rates and then they can come to us with their proposals.

Offering a loan at 24% in is like robbery with violence.

So let’s throw the ball into the banks court and leave it there.


what people don't know is that banks offer lower interest on client's who have build a good credit history but you must start from that high point as a stranger
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mlennyma
#67 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 10:55:18 AM
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This can be a raila policy, i will be shocked if it can still be uhuru's policy as well.
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Wamunyota
#68 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 11:39:28 AM
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Before we look at the law or economic argument of this proposal, the Kenyan culture unfortunately disregards payment of debt. Majority of Kenyans have no intention of paying debt even when they know they took the loan and the loan assisted them.
For instance how many Kenyans have paid their HELB loans including the middle class? This has lead to unorthodox means by HELB including threatening to withholding marriage certificates so that people can pay.
Look at how nag their tenants before they can give back their deposits.
This culture puts a premium to any lendor because of the cost of recovering money.
Kenya is a also generally a cash economy and therefore majority do not have credit history. The few who have a history the record is not very appealing.
Kenya is still a poor third world country with only a few who are financially stable. The majority middle class are not investing in assets but fassets which do not add any economic value.
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obiero
#69 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 11:44:06 AM
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Wamunyota wrote:
Before we look at the law or economic argument of this proposal, the Kenyan culture unfortunately disregards payment of debt. Majority of Kenyans have no intention of paying debt even when they know they took the loan and the loan assisted them.
For instance how many Kenyans have paid their HELB loans including the middle class? This has lead to unorthodox means by HELB including threatening to withholding marriage certificates so that people can pay.
Look at how nag their tenants before they can give back their deposits.
This culture puts a premium to any lendor because of the cost of recovering money.
Kenya is a also generally a cash economy and therefore majority do not have credit history. The few who have a history the record is not very appealing.
Kenya is still a poor third world country with only a few who are financially stable. The majority middle class are not investing in assets but fassets which do not add any economic value.

Amen.. Well written
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obiero
#70 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 11:46:04 AM
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Maybe we are missing the key point, which should be the question, can banks remain profitable if interest rates are capped?? I think they will survive, though mobile money will be hit hard since currently it goes for 72% per annum and people actually borrow at such rates willingly!!!
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