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AlphDoti
#121 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 7:56:23 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Soon, it will be possible to resurrect the dead- hint: existence is now increasingly being seen as a simulation, and many other reasons thankfully under the scope that many seem to trust, science...

Or think of the mummified remains of Egypt's early rulers. @tycho, can science make their bodies alive again and they can actually be themselves?

This is what I mean by saying: IMPOSSIBLE.

Yes. They can be made to live again. And they can be 'themselves'.

I asserted that it will not be possible. It only the Creator who can resurrect. If I will not be here when science, please take other Muslims of that day at task that one of your denied this.

You know why I am sure? Coz the Quran says so: ONLY ALLAH WILL BRING YOU BACK TO LIFE AGAIN TO JUDGE YOU.

And there is nothing the Quran has stated that has been proved false. So this one will not be proved false. As proof for you, the Quran mentions many scientific facts, long before they were discovered by modern science. 80% of scientific facts has been confirmed. 20% remaining are yet to be confirmed. None of them has been proved false. So they will not prove anything in the Quran false, confirming that it came form the creator of the universe.
tycho
#122 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:43:57 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Soon, it will be possible to resurrect the dead- hint: existence is now increasingly being seen as a simulation, and many other reasons thankfully under the scope that many seem to trust, science...

Or think of the mummified remains of Egypt's early rulers. @tycho, can science make their bodies alive again and they can actually be themselves?

This is what I mean by saying: IMPOSSIBLE.

Yes. They can be made to live again. And they can be 'themselves'.

I asserted that it will not be possible. It only the Creator who can resurrect. If I will not be here when science, please take other Muslims of that day at task that one of your denied this.

You know why I am sure? Coz the Quran says so: ONLY ALLAH WILL BRING YOU BACK TO LIFE AGAIN TO JUDGE YOU.

And there is nothing the Quran has stated that has been proved false. So this one will not be proved false. As proof for you, the Quran mentions many scientific facts, long before they were discovered by modern science. 80% of scientific facts has been confirmed. 20% remaining are yet to be confirmed. None of them has been proved false. So they will not prove anything in the Quran false, confirming that it came form the creator of the universe.


The time that has elapsed since Mohammed the prophet received the Quran to the present may be roughly equal to the time that the Ptolamaic system prevailed. And you can imagine that the Ptolemaic system took a very long time to be falsified.

Scriptures are holy, because they not only reflect the most noble and highest of aspiration, but also because everything comes from God. All great thinkers are from God, yet their thoughts come and go in seasons.

Galileo abjured, yet his ideas prevailed. So I don't have to push and shove, the right season will come and probably these ideas will prevail, even for a breath.
masukuma
#123 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 10:28:44 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Soon, it will be possible to resurrect the dead- hint: existence is now increasingly being seen as a simulation, and many other reasons thankfully under the scope that many seem to trust, science...

Or think of the mummified remains of Egypt's early rulers. @tycho, can science make their bodies alive again and they can actually be themselves?

This is what I mean by saying: IMPOSSIBLE.

Yes. They can be made to live again. And they can be 'themselves'.

I asserted that it will not be possible. It only the Creator who can resurrect. If I will not be here when science, please take other Muslims of that day at task that one of your denied this.

You know why I am sure? Coz the Quran says so: ONLY ALLAH WILL BRING YOU BACK TO LIFE AGAIN TO JUDGE YOU.

And there is nothing the Quran has stated that has been proved false. So this one will not be proved false. As proof for you, the Quran mentions many scientific facts, long before they were discovered by modern science. 80% of scientific facts has been confirmed. 20% remaining are yet to be confirmed. None of them has been proved false. So they will not prove anything in the Quran false, confirming that it came form the creator of the universe.


The time that has elapsed since Mohammed the prophet received the Quran to the present may be roughly equal to the time that the Ptolamaic system prevailed. And you can imagine that the Ptolemaic system took a very long time to be falsified.

Scriptures are holy, because they not only reflect the most noble and highest of aspiration, but also because everything comes from God. All great thinkers are from God, yet their thoughts come and go in seasons.

Galileo abjured, yet his ideas prevailed. So I don't have to push and shove, the right season will come and probably these ideas will prevail, even for a breath.

facts are facts... undebatable! Shifty assertions that require 'interpretation' after the facts on the subject matter have surfaced to align the said shifty assertions to the newly discovered facts DON'T PASS THAT TEST. if they were indeed pre-established - i suggest that the author should not only have seen the science/facts themselves but also the language. The author would have said "veils of darkness" just give them the name we shall give them later. if you can see the fact why not name it appropriately? naming is simpler! don't wait until facts show up then you go fishing and conveniently say... by the way..."the 3 veils of darkness" are "the anterior abdominal wall; the uterine wall and the amniochorionic membrane".
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enyands
#124 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 10:51:47 PM
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I do read comments here time to time . Well there are people here lying to themselves .how possible is to make someone alive again? Does someone knows that when you die it's because a soul has gone ? Live again ?how
Tokyo
#125 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:36:45 AM
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enyands wrote:
I do read comments here time to time . Well there are people here lying to themselves .how possible is to make someone alive again? Does someone knows that when you die it's because a soul has gone ? Live again ?how


In reality nobody has ever come back after death to confirm or deny that controversial insinuation
Scriptures written are like folk tales , myths or stories intended for specific subjects. mostly displays their local culture and traditions.
If our ancestors had the same level of written language and exposure scientifically trade ,hardships and many related challenges that force people to explore beyond their comfort zone, our ancestral beliefs would have resulted in an organized mainstream religion.
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tycho
#126 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:55:52 AM
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enyands wrote:
I do read comments here time to time . Well there are people here lying to themselves .how possible is to make someone alive again? Does someone knows that when you die it's because a soul has gone ? Live again ?how


I can think of five methods of resurrection:

1. Soft method
2. Hard method
3. Bender's method
4. Method of suspended and translocated Chi
5. Method of (artificial) reincarnation

So if I can imagine so many ways of doing it, maybe you're seeing impossibility because your world view(s) is/are limited...
Wakanyugi
#127 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:55:53 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
enyands wrote:
I do read comments here time to time . Well there are people here lying to themselves .how possible is to make someone alive again? Does someone knows that when you die it's because a soul has gone ? Live again ?how


In reality nobody has ever come back after death to confirm or deny that controversial insinuation

If our ancestors had the same level of written language and exposure scientifically trade ,hardships and many related challenges that force people to explore beyond their comfort zone, our ancestral beliefs would have resulted in an organized mainstream religion.


Tokyo:

The cosmogony of many African tribes, mine included, counted the living, the dead and the unborn as integral members of society, with roles and responsibilities assigned to them.

According to the Gikuyu of the past, your statement that "nobody has ever come back after death" would not have made much sense as indeed there were many such people who 'had come back.'

If your name was Muchoki/Gachoki/Njoki, Muriuki, Kariuki etc you had indeed 'come back.' Similarly if you lived long enough to 'be named' - for someone born to be named after you - it was said that you had not really died, even when your body stopped breathing.

This limited characterization has come to us from the patriarchal 'faith of the desert' - the Judeo/Christian belief system, which includes Islam. It is something not shared by the traditional Asian, African and Oceanic belief systems.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
harrydre
#128 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 2:39:00 AM
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