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Tale of Transcentury CEO exit, Sh8b Debt
VituVingiSana
#181 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 11:14:03 PM
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No wonder TransCentury is in my "Do Not Buy" list. They took the lenders to the cleaners. TCL will never be able to do another Convertible Bond with an independent party.

It's just a matter of time before they turn on the Minority shareholders. Buyer beware.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#182 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 6:26:46 AM
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Swenani wrote:
Mike Ock wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
In short, TCL defaulted and is still going to default. A restructuring of debt is technically a default(which has already happened). The same applies to a moratorium (which it will be taking from September this year).

Why would/did the bondholders take such a huge loss and a further downgrade of their debt instead of pressing for payments or seek to wind up the company altogether?

Secondly, why would the minority bondholders convert their holdings into equity with heavy dilution just around the corner?

Thirdly, who are the faces behind kuramo capital and why are they injecting such a hefty amount in a company that ain't worth as much? With a given certainty of continued hemorrhage for the remainder of the outstanding bond amounts and loss making by TCL, kuramo may not get a return on equity for a long time... Why invest?

This is baffling/does not add up on so many levels.


https://kuramocapital.com/about/team/

From researching these fellows, my best bet is it's the usual Transcentury patronage playbook, with a very official looking intermediary this time round

It had to be Kenyans and Nigerians!


Pretty faces and fancy titles!

Something stinks in this transaction. I smell in appropriate dealings either fraud, money laundering, or insider dealings.
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VituVingiSana
#183 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 8:28:03 AM
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Return after 5 years? Negative 95%

http://www.businessdaily...08/-/yoviea/-/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#184 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:52:29 AM
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[quote=VituVingiSana]Return after 5 years? Negative 95%

http://www.businessdaily...8/-/yoviea/-/index.html[/quote]

On second look, this was a creditors compromise. Bondholders decided to take the scraps available rather than wind up the company and get nothing after paying off winding costs.
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MaichBlack
#185 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:59:56 AM
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hisah wrote:
Wow! Bondholders have taken deep haircuts! I wonder what was the rationale behind the holders absorbing these haircuts.

Shocking!!! 95% haircut?? How now??? Just how did they sign onto this?? You can't make these things up!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Spikes
#186 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:04:58 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
hisah wrote:
Wow! Bondholders have taken deep haircuts! I wonder what was the rationale behind the holders absorbing these haircuts.

Shocking!!! 95% haircut?? How now??? Just how did they sign onto this?? You can't make these things up!!



Clearly, securities exchange is not a fish market!
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VituVingiSana
#187 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:28:58 AM
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sparkly wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]Return after 5 years? Negative 95%

http://www.businessdaily...8/-/yoviea/-/index.html[/quote]

On second look, this was a creditors compromise. Bondholders decided to take the scraps available rather than wind up the company and get nothing after paying off winding costs.

1) They gave up the interest.
2) Then a haircut of 30% on the Principal.
3) Then buy shares at 49.60 when they trade at 5

WTF? Why would they even take shares vs cash? And the shares at 49.60 (not 5/-) AFTER they took a haircut on both the interest and principal.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#188 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:07:30 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]Return after 5 years? Negative 95%

http://www.businessdaily...8/-/yoviea/-/index.html[/quote]

On second look, this was a creditors compromise. Bondholders decided to take the scraps available rather than wind up the company and get nothing after paying off winding costs.

1) They gave up the interest.
2) Then a haircut of 30% on the Principal.
3) Then buy shares at 49.60 when they trade at 5

WTF? Why would they even take shares vs cash? And the shares at 49.60 (not 5/-) AFTER they took a haircut on both the interest and principal.


That country turns up again Mauritius.

@VVs it defies logic and common sense. These are crooks in bed together no other explanation. ONly a fool or someone with something to lose or gain would accept such a deal. Something stinks here. really stinks. Its like a movie
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Fyatu
#189 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:27:58 PM
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[quote=VituVingiSana]Return after 5 years? Negative 95%

http://www.businessdaily...8/-/yoviea/-/index.html[/quote]

I don't understand a single sentence in this article Brick wall
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MaichBlack
#190 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:00:35 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]Return after 5 years? Negative 95%

http://www.businessdaily...8/-/yoviea/-/index.html[/quote]

On second look, this was a creditors compromise. Bondholders decided to take the scraps available rather than wind up the company and get nothing after paying off winding costs.

1) They gave up the interest.
2) Then a haircut of 30% on the Principal.
3) Then buy shares at 49.60 when they trade at 5

WTF? Why would they even take shares vs cash? And the shares at 49.60 (not 5/-) AFTER they took a haircut on both the interest and principal.


That country turns up again Mauritius.

@VVs it defies logic and common sense. These are crooks in bed together no other explanation. ONly a fool or someone with something to lose or gain would accept such a deal. Something stinks here. really stinks. Its like a movie

It is not even like a movie!!! If you wrote a movie like this it would do so badly because of it's unbelievability!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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