I repeat again: nobody can resurrect.

Remember a resurrected person for example should be same person that died before. We are not talking genes selection of a person and cloning, which is ideally artificial conception.

There are four means which have been used to bring up a being:
4. From a female alone
3. From a female and a male
2. From a male alone
1. From no male and no female

Yes, science can do 2, 3 and 4. Where 2 & 4 are cloning.

SCIENCE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO No.1

Unfortunately, for resurrection doesn't need proposition no.1.

Again, proposition no.1 is vague. What's male/female? A set of Chromosomes? Then that would translate to all the propositions you've given being equivalent! Or, point one would be invalid for all conceivable entities... even God.

Tycho; I have not watched 'Risen' but, now that you mention it, I will look for the movie.

I have highlighted one sentence above because in my opinion it goes to the core of this matter, namely:

'We can not die, we do not die.'

We animate different vehicles from time time depending on need. But those vehicles are not 'us' anymore than our clothes are. We can't even spend more that 24 hours in our human body without collapsing from lack of sleep.

I don't know where this belief that being alive equals animating our biological vehicles came from (although I do admit such a belief has definite evolutionary value). But it is not true.

So you can actually see even the argument for resurrection is somewhat moot...resurrection from what? Perhaps 'waking up' would be a better term.

But if such a discussion helps us to appreciate and maybe acknowledge our grater reality, one in which immortality is a given, not a gift accorded by a distant deity if we behave ourselves, then it is all good.

Or think of the mummified remains of Egypt's early rulers. @tycho, can science make their bodies alive again and they can actually be themselves?

This is what I mean by saying: IMPOSSIBLE.

Alphadoti: as a recovering Catholic, I only bait Christian Fundamentalists. From the way they screwed up my young mind, I believe they owe me that much.

No.

But I no longer subscribe to organized religion.

I believe one should have a private relationship with his god, whoever he conceptualizes him/her/it to be.

Tycho: I have come to appreciate the provocative way your mind works, even at those times I find myself disagreeing with you. But on the topic of resurrection, I fear we are missing out on something important, perhaps because of the distraction with the issue of dying.

The obsession that humans have for immortality is one resistance to the illusion we call life on earth. We know, deep within us that we are immortal, that in fact we elected to go into this dream of earthly existence for specific reasons. But the dream has become so powerful that few of us can see beyond it without help.

We have even called amongst us such masters as Jesus, Mohamed, Buddha, Bahaulah, Zoroaster etc to help us awake.

At some point this penchant for immortality became conflated with the longevity, of lack of it, of the human body. The point that our sojourn here is merely a blip on an a massive trip through eternity got completely lost.

As often happens both science and religion have weighed in on the matter, in the process causing lots of confusion and missing the true point completely. One of the sages named above is said to have remarked on this irony, that "the same people who want to live for eternity do not know what to do with themselves on a Sunday afternoon," especially now that the Premier league is off.

How strange.

But which authority is this? God? Your parents? The local Chief?


Sorry if my questions above sound facetious. I could not help it.

But, seriously, you sell yourself very short here. Your life is not owed to a legitimizing authority. You are an infinite, multidimensional entity that happens to be having an experience, one of many, as a human BEING. You are God playing small.

Our Earth walk involves many strange things including: playing at being limited; pretending separation and doing everything we can to create a consensus reality (an unconscious attempt to recreate unity). In this drama many illusions become all encompassing including: that our life is limited to the experience on earth or that we are subject to a legitimizing authority. But none of this is real.

At the risk of sounding tedious I repeat: we are not our bodies; we are not limited to the period our bodies can exist; this experience we are having on earth is important but just one of many; we never die; we are primarily non physical beings having a physical experience, for a time; we are only limited by those barriers that we can build, no more.

Non human societies like those of ants or Chimps have their own legitimators that may differ from human institutions only in degree.

Everything in the universe is limited, even the universe itself is limited. Even God, I have come to realize, is limited. So the proposition that humans are unlimited is not only false, but probably also misguided.

The reasons for my assertion are based on the evidence of laws, and form. In that all things are governed by laws, and all things are energic.

Because of this, all things will transform to other things and not just maintain what we may call immortality, but all things are reversible.

When you, @Wakanyugi says, 'we' you enter into legitimization, albeit, unconsciously. All language, all communication, even at the most basic forms of being like strings or even the most elementary particles exhibit legitimization. Legitimization isn't a crutch. It's the way of nature.

But I can understand why you'd take a negative view of it. One reason could be how oppressive it may be in reality. 'Black lives matter' may be an example.

The good news is that by understanding how legitimization works we can outgrow some of the disadvantages that come with it. We can learn to optimize our abilities and experiences better.

I'd be most inconsiderate not to allow you a break. I think I also need one. But before that, thank you so much for your thought and company.