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Aguytrying
#381 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:45:48 AM
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@pesa nane. Now I get your post above. I have since divorced kcb altogether. I'm no longer buying it. Because of the NPLs and fractured ownership by local and international investors
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
watesh
#382 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:52:04 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
mibbz wrote:
Quick one, anyone knows the rights price?

Thanks

a long way to go,did i hear of cma approval??not sure but for now nobody knows and information is not yet out. my good feeling is that 25bob for rights price won't be a bad deal

Well let's hope investors continue slaughtering the price like they did for Kengen
Ericsson
#383 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:58:10 AM
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Details of the rights issue at earliest expect them in August.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ebenyo
#384 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:01:59 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@pesa nane. Now I get your post above. I have since divorced kcb altogether. I'm no longer buying it. Because of the NPLs and fractured ownership by local and international investors


Aguy,the 7 bilion was an isolated case.The results for FY 15 and Q1 16 indicates so.Thats if im not wrong.Oigara played it down and i chose to risk in believing him.Anyway im with u in member.Hii simba nitawachia mtoto yangu.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
mlennyma
#385 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:12:34 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@pesa nane. Now I get your post above. I have since divorced kcb altogether. I'm no longer buying it. Because of the NPLs and fractured ownership by local and international investors


Aguy,the 7 bilion was an isolated case.The results for FY 15 and Q1 16 indicates so.Thats if im not wrong.Oigara played it down and i chose to risk in believing him.Anyway im with u in member.Hii simba nitawachia mtoto yangu.

if the rights is well priced i.e 25 and below i will take and apply for additional i hope the advisor reads this
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Aguytrying
#386 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:34:31 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@pesa nane. Now I get your post above. I have since divorced kcb altogether. I'm no longer buying it. Because of the NPLs and fractured ownership by local and international investors


Aguy,the 7 bilion was an isolated case.The results for FY 15 and Q1 16 indicates so.Thats if im not wrong.Oigara played it down and i chose to risk in believing him.Anyway im with u in member.Hii simba nitawachia mtoto yangu.


My point is simple.

KCB NPL- 30bn
EQUITY NPL - 11 bn

profitability is the same. One is more efficient and less risky than the other.

so that increase in 7 bn that is getting a rosy explanation is almost all of equity's NPL without an explantion. coz there's no need to explain
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
lochaz-index
#387 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:41:47 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@pesa nane. Now I get your post above. I have since divorced kcb altogether. I'm no longer buying it. Because of the NPLs and fractured ownership by local and international investors


Aguy,the 7 bilion was an isolated case.The results for FY 15 and Q1 16 indicates so.Thats if im not wrong.Oigara played it down and i chose to risk in believing him.Anyway im with u in member.Hii simba nitawachia mtoto yangu.


My point is simple.

KCB NPL- 30bn
EQUITY NPL - 11 bn

profitability is the same. One is more efficient and less risky than the other.

so that increase in 7 bn that is getting a rosy explanation is almost all of equity's NPL without an explantion. coz there's no need to explain

Equity is way more conservative in its lending than they are given credit for.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
KIMAIYO
#388 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:05:33 PM
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NPL
upcoming rights issue
brexit
which is which is dragging kcb share price to a all time low of $0.33
enyands
#389 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2016 11:51:44 PM
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KIMAIYO wrote:
NPL
upcoming rights issue
brexit
which is which is dragging kcb share price to a all time low of $0.33



When you put dollars there it's headache to some of us because we have to go check currency rate Laughing out loudly
mlennyma
#390 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:38:32 AM
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enyands wrote:
KIMAIYO wrote:
NPL
upcoming rights issue
brexit
which is which is dragging kcb share price to a all time low of $0.33



When you put dollars there it's headache to some of us because we have to go check currency rate Laughing out loudly

he could be talking from the USA wazua is globalsmile
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Aguytrying
#391 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:53:40 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
enyands wrote:
KIMAIYO wrote:
NPL
upcoming rights issue
brexit
which is which is dragging kcb share price to a all time low of $0.33



When you put dollars there it's headache to some of us because we have to go check currency rate Laughing out loudly

he could be talking from the USA wazua is globalsmile


No way that is an all time low. In 2011 kcb was at 15.00
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#392 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00:31 AM
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Joshua Oigara plays down rise of KCB bad loans
http://www.nation.co.ke/...0/-/pswbv7/-/index.html

June has come and gone. Let's see what stories KCB has for us in 4-8 weeks about NPLs!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ebenyo
#393 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:51:41 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Joshua Oigara plays down rise of KCB bad loans
http://www.nation.co.ke/...0/-/pswbv7/-/index.html

June has come and gone. Let's see what stories KCB has for us in 4-8 weeks about NPLs!


You are right.Im also keenly waiting for HY results.Did they pay or not? lets wait and see.Member went full throtle and auctioned the house of Yusuf Chanzu,vihiga mp to recover an NPL.Simba should be aggresive too.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Ericsson
#394 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:17:24 AM
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KCB will give you in the next 4-8 weeks
-Results of the script dividend issue
-Payout of dividend for financial year 2015
-Half year 2016 results
-Details of the sh.10bn rights issue
-Their position regarding chase majority stake acquisition
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
mlennyma
#395 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:32:02 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Joshua Oigara plays down rise of KCB bad loans
http://www.nation.co.ke/...0/-/pswbv7/-/index.html

June has come and gone. Let's see what stories KCB has for us in 4-8 weeks about NPLs!

they must sugar coat themselves for a rights
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
watesh
#396 Posted : Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:22:35 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
KCB will give you in the next 4-8 weeks
-Results of the script dividend issue
-Payout of dividend for financial year 2015
-Half year 2016 results
-Details of the sh.10bn rights issue
-Their position regarding chase majority stake acquisition

I hope they delay that rights issue announcement so that the stock gets slaughtered some more. Preparing some cash to get in at half the price i sold it last year Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Its still a really solid bank (If those SS numbers are real) and make a solid acquisition in DRC
VituVingiSana
#397 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 6:56:33 AM
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If (hypothetically) Muigai wins, what happens?
http://www.businessdaily.../-/nyclk2z/-/index.html

Does Bidii Kenya [who bought the land in an auction] get a refund from KCB for what they paid?
Does Bidii Kenya [who bought the land in an auction] get the market value as a refund from KCB?
Does Bidii Kenya [who bought the land in an auction] get nothing?

I expect more auctions by banks as folks default on loans at 20%... but I don't want to end up owning nothing if the borrower wins vs the bank.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MaichBlack
#398 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 7:58:27 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
If (hypothetically) Muigai wins, what happens?
http://www.businessdaily.../-/nyclk2z/-/index.html

Does Bidii Kenya [who bought the land in an auction] get a refund from KCB for what they paid?
Does Bidii Kenya [who bought the land in an auction] get the market value as a refund from KCB?
Does Bidii Kenya [who bought the land in an auction] get nothing?

I expect more auctions by banks as folks default on loans at 20%... but I don't want to end up owning nothing if the borrower wins vs the bank.

KCB definitely acted in a thuggish manner!!! How do you sell a guarantor's property before selling the property owned by the person who took the loan???

They were holding security worth 150 million from the loanee while demanding 70 million and they sell the guarantor's land??? Were there other ulterior motives other than recovering their money???

How this case has taken 24 years is a big surprise!!!

Muigai should keep his land, and Bidii gets refunded their money with interest at court set interest rates!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Ebenyo
#399 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:24:59 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
If (hypothetically) Muigai wins, what happens?
http://www.businessdaily.../-/nyclk2z/-/index.html

Does Bidii Kenya [who bought the land in an auction] get a refund from KCB for what they paid?
Does Bidii Kenya [who bought the land in an auction] get the market value as a refund from KCB?
Does Bidii Kenya [who bought the land in an auction] get nothing?

I expect more auctions by banks as folks default on loans at 20%... but I don't want to end up owning nothing if the borrower wins vs the bank.


As things stand at the moment,Ngengi has lost the case.The supreme court is the highest court and last in hierachy.Since he can not appeal the decision,his lawyers can only file a new case at the high court in a bid to upstage the status quo.That will take time as it might end up in appeal court and eventually supreme court again.
His main argument in the case is that he was only a guarantor.The bank should have sold Bendjo land and not his.
The valuation of Bednjo land might have failed to meet the 70 million threshold.The bank then chose to sell his land since in law when a defaulter fails,the guarantor pays.The supreme court relied on this law to make its judgement.
The tide is heavily tilted against Ngengi in this case.I do not see him winning.What new angles will his lawyers use to try to resuscitate the case?.As a matter of fact the case is good as dead.Petty issues like trying to poke holes into plaintiff advocates licences wont help him.
Meanwhile KCB pocketed 70 million long time ago.But in the remote chance that Ngengi wins,kcb wont loose as it will turn to the Bedjo land to recover its money.By then the land will have met the threshold.
My only concern here is the expensive fees paid to the advocates.The case has taken long time and seems it will take more time again.Those are millions in courts and advocates fees.That does not add value to me as an investor in kcb.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
MaichBlack
#400 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:34:50 AM
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@Ebenyo - Benjo's land was worth more than double the loan amount (150m vs 70m).

And in any case, Benjo's land should have been sold first whatever the value. And KCB refused to furnish Muigai with a statement of accounts! It is like they were interested in more than their loan being cleared!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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