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murchr		#161 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:59:09 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980		masukuma wrote: murchr wrote: BBC wrote: European Union leaders have warned that the UK must honour the principle of free movement of people if it wants to retain access to the single market after it leaves the bloc. European Council President Donald Tusk said the UK could not pick and choose. The French and German leaders also made clear that the freedom of movement of EU citizens was non-negotiable This referendum is becoming irrelevant by the day For access to the common market... Lazima they accept The free movement of goods. The free movement of services and freedom of establishment. The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers. The free movement of capital. Kwa ufupi what they wanted to escape They should have opted to stay so that they can influence policy. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Anti_Burglar		#162 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:30:35 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024		murchr wrote: masukuma wrote: murchr wrote: BBC wrote: European Union leaders have warned that the UK must honour the principle of free movement of people if it wants to retain access to the single market after it leaves the bloc. European Council President Donald Tusk said the UK could not pick and choose. The French and German leaders also made clear that the freedom of movement of EU citizens was non-negotiable This referendum is becoming irrelevant by the day For access to the common market... Lazima they accept The free movement of goods. The free movement of services and freedom of establishment. The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers. The free movement of capital. Kwa ufupi what they wanted to escape They should have opted to stay so that they can influence policy. The elite don't want to let go.
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masukuma		#163 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:51:07 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		Anti_Burglar wrote: murchr wrote: masukuma wrote: murchr wrote: BBC wrote: European Union leaders have warned that the UK must honour the principle of free movement of people if it wants to retain access to the single market after it leaves the bloc. European Council President Donald Tusk said the UK could not pick and choose. The French and German leaders also made clear that the freedom of movement of EU citizens was non-negotiable This referendum is becoming irrelevant by the day For access to the common market... Lazima they accept The free movement of goods. The free movement of services and freedom of establishment. The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers. The free movement of capital. Kwa ufupi what they wanted to escape They should have opted to stay so that they can influence policy. The elite don't want to let go. yeah - they are not as parochial as the working class. They can see the whole picture and how they stand to lose. not even a week later VodaCom and some Banks are toying with moving their HQs out of the UK. Mwamba ngoma huvuta pande yake! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Anti_Burglar		#164 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:16:50 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024		masukuma wrote: Anti_Burglar wrote: murchr wrote: masukuma wrote: murchr wrote: BBC wrote: European Union leaders have warned that the UK must honour the principle of free movement of people if it wants to retain access to the single market after it leaves the bloc. European Council President Donald Tusk said the UK could not pick and choose. The French and German leaders also made clear that the freedom of movement of EU citizens was non-negotiable This referendum is becoming irrelevant by the day For access to the common market... Lazima they accept The free movement of goods. The free movement of services and freedom of establishment. The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers. The free movement of capital. Kwa ufupi what they wanted to escape They should have opted to stay so that they can influence policy. The elite don't want to let go. yeah - they are not as parochial as the working class. They can see the whole picture and how they stand to lose. not even a week later VodaCom and some Banks are toying with moving their HQs out of the UK. Mwamba ngoma huvuta pande yake! They are not democrats. They are the kind who force their opinions (even war) on you even if you don't want and there is nothing they want you to do about it. If you use the only thing you have (your vote) they still want to have their way. This is nothing to be happy and gloat about. In other continents they are called dictators.
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masukuma		#165 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:45:42 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		Anti_Burglar wrote: masukuma wrote: Anti_Burglar wrote: murchr wrote: masukuma wrote: murchr wrote: BBC wrote: European Union leaders have warned that the UK must honour the principle of free movement of people if it wants to retain access to the single market after it leaves the bloc. European Council President Donald Tusk said the UK could not pick and choose. The French and German leaders also made clear that the freedom of movement of EU citizens was non-negotiable This referendum is becoming irrelevant by the day For access to the common market... Lazima they accept The free movement of goods. The free movement of services and freedom of establishment. The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers. The free movement of capital. Kwa ufupi what they wanted to escape They should have opted to stay so that they can influence policy. The elite don't want to let go. yeah - they are not as parochial as the working class. They can see the whole picture and how they stand to lose. not even a week later VodaCom and some Banks are toying with moving their HQs out of the UK. Mwamba ngoma huvuta pande yake! They are not democrats. They are the kind who force their opinions (even war) on you even if you don't want and there is nothing they want you to do about it. If you use the only thing you have (your vote) they still want to have their way. This is nothing to be happy and gloat about. In other continents they are called dictators. So you expect them to stand behind unreasonableness and watch their wealth and interests get hurt because of parochial interests? the truth is just like the law - democracy was made for man and not man for democracy. Ona interests kama hizi so huyo immigrant anatakiwa kurudi africa na mgani? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Anti_Burglar		#166 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:43:32 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024		But, Maskums, they, the elite, will really not do much for most of the same EU members are also in NATO and they do not want to antagonize such a strong pillar of NATO. They all need NATO to knock sense into heads of renegade nations as they pursue their common wealth and interests. And the UN security council of which UK is a permanent member is already a closed club where they all meet and embrace again to authorise security expeditions to acquire wealth and pursue interests. Perhaps this thing is all just hot air for us, me and you and the rest of the holloi polloi to nit pick over. Nothing much will change, vote or no vote. We are all being played!!!
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masukuma		#167 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:54:15 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		Anti_Burglar wrote: But, Maskums, they, the elite, will really not do much for most of the same EU members are also in NATO and they do not want to antagonize such a strong pillar of NATO. They all need NATO to knock sense into heads of renegade nations as they pursue their common wealth and interests. And the UN security council of which UK is a permanent member is already a closed club where they all meet and embrace again to authorise security expeditions to acquire wealth and pursue interests. Perhaps this thing is all just hot air for us, me and you and the rest of the holloi polloi to nit pick over. Nothing much will change, vote or no vote. We are all being played!!! the world is not perfect. the pen of history is not yet out of ink! we are work in progress, everything is not how it is supposed to be. we need to distinguish outcome from intention. plus there is no such thing as 'elite' because it's a bell curve or a continuum. there are people at each segment - what you consider 'elite' is not what others consider 'elite'. do you know there is a guy somewhere in your shags who thinks you are the 'elite'? he will one day gather courage to ask you "your secret"... and ukiangalia you will notice you don't have "a secret". All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Taurrus		#168 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 6:02:54 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite		masukuma wrote: Anti_Burglar wrote: masukuma wrote: Anti_Burglar wrote: murchr wrote: masukuma wrote: murchr wrote: BBC wrote: European Union leaders have warned that the UK must honour the principle of free movement of people if it wants to retain access to the single market after it leaves the bloc. European Council President Donald Tusk said the UK could not pick and choose. The French and German leaders also made clear that the freedom of movement of EU citizens was non-negotiable This referendum is becoming irrelevant by the day For access to the common market... Lazima they accept The free movement of goods. The free movement of services and freedom of establishment. The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers. The free movement of capital. Kwa ufupi what they wanted to escape They should have opted to stay so that they can influence policy. The elite don't want to let go. yeah - they are not as parochial as the working class. They can see the whole picture and how they stand to lose. not even a week later VodaCom and some Banks are toying with moving their HQs out of the UK. Mwamba ngoma huvuta pande yake! They are not democrats. They are the kind who force their opinions (even war) on you even if you don't want and there is nothing they want you to do about it. If you use the only thing you have (your vote) they still want to have their way. This is nothing to be happy and gloat about. In other continents they are called dictators. So you expect them to stand behind unreasonableness and watch their wealth and interests get hurt because of parochial interests? the truth is just like the law - democracy was made for man and not man for democracy. Ona interests kama hizi so huyo immigrant anatakiwa kurudi africa na mgani? Go back to Africa!! As one Kuria said "you come from ignorance"
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masukuma		#169 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:06:45 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		just seen something on TwiRRa #postrefracism oh man!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Anti_Burglar		#170 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53:14 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024		masukuma wrote: Anti_Burglar wrote: But, Maskums, they, the elite, will really not do much for most of the same EU members are also in NATO and they do not want to antagonize such a strong pillar of NATO. They all need NATO to knock sense into heads of renegade nations as they pursue their common wealth and interests. And the UN security council of which UK is a permanent member is already a closed club where they all meet and embrace again to authorise security expeditions to acquire wealth and pursue interests. Perhaps this thing is all just hot air for us, me and you and the rest of the holloi polloi to nit pick over. Nothing much will change, vote or no vote. We are all being played!!! the world is not perfect. the pen of history is not yet out of ink! we are work in progress, everything is not how it is supposed to be. we need to distinguish outcome from intention. plus there is no such thing as 'elite' because it's a bell curve or a continuum. there are people at each segment - what you consider 'elite' is not what others consider 'elite'. do you know there is a guy somewhere in your shags who thinks you are the 'elite'? he will one day gather courage to ask you "your secret"... and ukiangalia you will notice you don't have "a secret". Hence itś our duty to make it accommodate all if we are indeed a work in progress and everything is not how it is supposed to be. If you are not an active participant in CFR, Trilateral Commission and such conspiratorial clubs where destiny of nations are decided wewe na wa ushago kwenu are holloi polloi. The outcomes we have all seen over the years where those resisting a certain clique of certain nations get destroyed should make their intentions clear even for you by now.
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