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Tebes
#11 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 3:20:32 PM
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Theu wrote:
Thats why i go to mission hospitals. These hospitals may be far but i find their services and attitude excellent plus very low costs. They also have experts. ie kijabe, tenwek. The private hosis have become too commercial and unethical.



@ Theu, true of the mission hospitals. My first child was born at a private hospital, cost?? slightly over 50,000 bob. My second child at a mission hospital. Cost? about 6,000 /= but this was cleared with an NHIF card. No stories, no complications.

Some medics in private hospitals have become hawkers of medical services to the highest bidders. They are no better than conmen who do quick mathematics on how much you are worth in order to milk you to the very last penny possible.

Worst if you have a cover for your bill. You immediately become a guinea pig for new exorbitantly sold drugs at their disposal!!!
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Spend.thrift
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:21:08 AM
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@ Ms KEnya. What do you mean by all tests being within normal limits?

I think it is time the country revisited the failed National Health Insurance Scheme, which Ngilu so much fought for but did not succeed. I remember she was also once admitted at KNH-very good sign.

I think for as long as private insurance is around - medical care will forever be out of the reach for many ordinary people. I tend to think that upto 80% of persons seeking care from the "top" money makers in Nairobi are on some sort of insurance. And this could be the reason for the hike in fees. Why on earth does a hospital charge 2k as consultation to see a GP,who rushes you through diagnosis in 4 minutes and seems impatient if you ask many questions?

At many of these (well, let me say two that I have experience with) patients with cover will be admitted in private wing. I remember some time back my brother was taken to the private wing because "no other ward was available". But it's not like he was the last person admitted that evening.

It's no wonder they fought Ngilu's plan that viciously. I too disagreed because of the high prospects of having to pay twice to get care but i think it would be wise to rethink it.

I think for issues like child birth, these companies called hospitals are stretching it. How does a normal (no-complication vaginal) birth end up costing 50K or more when another mission hospital running on the cost-centre model will ask for only 8k for the same?

Looks like all professions in Kenya have sunk into the bottonless pit of mediocrity.


Ms Mkenya
#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:19:22 PM
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What i mean is that all those tests done showed normal results which may indicate they were not necessary.
About nhif, i think the jump was too high. Imagine moving from paying 320 to 2,000. Thats too high. Should have been gradual. The opposition at the time stemed from the fact that many govt hosp's were not equipped. I hope its diff.
Yes, most private hosp clients are insured. Its so expe!
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earthvoice
#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:15:04 PM
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The way I see it, polypharmacy is not always bad and in some cases it is unavoidable e.g. in the case of multiple chronic conditions.
Maybe some of the pharmacovigilance gurus at the Pharmacology at UoN may want to comment.
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FRM2011
#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 5:30:20 PM
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Wendz wrote:
This is very true. One time i took my son to hosi(one of the "top" hospitals around) coz he kept having this persistent flu.... During one of the visits I met this young looking Dr. He said that we needed to do an x-ray of the sinuses. the kid was then 2-3yrs. When i took it later for review, i found an older asian'ish doctor. She was so pissed off and she said, "who subjected this kid to a sinus x-ray? That is very irresponsible! Children dont develop sinuses until they are over 7 years of age..." It wasnt very pleasant.....


Just seen this post and got emboldened to voice something I have always believed.

There is a world of difference between asian doctors and our fellow brothers. I have had not-so-pleasant encounters with our so called specilaists. They rub their "flyness" on your face.

If you visit the paediatric wing at aga khan you will notice the difference. The Asians are more there.

Once an elderly asian lady pediatrician knelt on the floor to engage my kid who was refusing to open her mouth. It left a lasting impression on my mind.
Zenge
#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 5:51:03 PM
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Last week, a friend of mine was shot on the hip and rushed to a hospital in Parklands, he had bled badly and the bullet was lodged in his hip. After the x-ray, a surgeon came in and said that he could operate immediately (he had a slight smell of whisky). Everyone was in panick mode and the family signed up chap chap! So the dude is wheeled into the theater and after a few hours in there the surgeon realises that the blood levels were low and the operation couldn't proceed. He patched up the guy and they suggested an ICU in a different location. So the family and friends present rush to a nearby hospital with the facility where they have to deposit 600k for ICU admission. To cut a long story short, the patient is still in ICU awaiting recovery for doctors to proceed with the surgery.
Sick! Sick! Sick!
Taurrus
#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:37:46 PM
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Very sad! difference tween our beloved country and India!
Another Doc suggested we rush my daughter to theater for tongue repair after self bite, just when I was arranging for funds,my friend suggests I see one Prof [simiyu/wekesa can't rem] Hey! You know what? He told me that theater biz is utter nonsense and prescribed ice cream! wonders! 350/-
Ethiteri
#18 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:07:27 PM
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Without fear of contradiction I say our Drs especially the young upcoming ones are here to make money first then treatment can follow.

My nephew had his sinus removed lest than one year ago and sad to say they have grown back.The Dr say we manage with meds and am wondering was the operation necessary.

A few years ago I know someone who had some condition.Tests before treatment cost close to 300K.Quotation for treatment were upto 1.5M

We opted for India. Suprise suprise.....Total cost,tests and treatment and a 3 week stay in India for patient and 2 caregivers was Max 700,000.(Incl of airfare)
And what is more the treatment did not involve any invasive operation relative to what Kenyan doctors had suggested.
Taurrus
#19 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:46:28 PM
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Ethiteri wrote:
Without fear of contradiction I say our Drs especially the young upcoming ones are here to make money first then treatment can follow.

My nephew had his sinus removed lest than one year ago and sad to say they have grown back.The Dr say we manage with meds and am wondering was the operation necessary.

A few years ago I know someone who had some condition.Tests before treatment cost close to 300K.Quotation for treatment were upto 1.5M

We opted for India. Suprise suprise.....Total cost,tests and treatment and a 3 week stay in India for patient and 2 caregivers was Max 700,000.(Incl of airfare)
And what is more the treatment did not involve any invasive operation relative to what Kenyan doctors had suggested.

Thieves!
Swenani
#20 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:45:19 PM
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Taurrus wrote:
Very sad! difference tween our beloved country and India!
Another Doc suggested we rush my daughter to theater for tongue repair after self bite, just when I was arranging for funds,my friend suggests I see one Prof [simiyu/wekesa can't rem] Hey! You know what? He told me that theater biz is utter nonsense and prescribed ice cream! wonders! 350/-

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