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whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
The soul is put in the foetus 4 months after conception i.e. around 120 days.
The precision of the period of time is impressive - but it just tempts me to ask - is there a test that was conducted to come up with this assertion? why not 3months or 5 months? Im also waiting for the answer  @masukums, the foetus makes voluntary movements the moment a soul is put in it. I challenge you to carry out a test and you'll come to confirm this, if you're lucky. NOTE: BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, THIS WILL NOT BE DISPROVED. Ibn Masud narrated that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said:
For every one of you, the components of his creation are gathered together in the mother's womb for a period of forty days. Then he will remain for two more periods of the same length, after which the angel is sent and insufflates the spirit into him. [Hadith received by al-Bukhari and Muslim]After first 40 days: components gather together After next 40 days: components develop further After next 40 days: soul is put and becomes voluntary movts
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
The soul is put in the foetus 4 months after conception i.e. around 120 days.
The precision of the period of time is impressive - but it just tempts me to ask - is there a test that was conducted to come up with this assertion? why not 3months or 5 months? Im also waiting for the answer @masukums, the foetus makes voluntary movements the moment a soul is put in it. I challenge you to carry out a test and you'll come to confirm this, if you're lucky. NOTE: BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, THIS WILL NOT BE DISPROVED. Ibn Masud narrated that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said:
For every one of you, the components of his creation are gathered together in the mother's womb for a period of forty days. Then he will remain for two more periods of the same length, after which the angel is sent and insufflates the spirit into him. [Hadith received by al-Bukhari and Muslim]After first 40 days: components gather together After next 40 days: components develop further After next 40 days: soul is put and becomes voluntary movts so... if movement is mark of voluntary movements - what about that of a rat? on the quotation from some random arabic speakers from 1400  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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Much Know wrote:Do not mistake the “begwoook” of a chicken for thinking, even a machine can be made to respond in the same way after a beating, all about messages fired to various muscles from various parts of brain e.t.c, in other words in tychos “simulation”, we can conclude chicken are just like machines in the “video game”, for the use of the character “man”, for entertainment and eating, kuku fry,  today we can make much more intelligent machines than chicken, and some that do things better than man, and they don’t care about ‘heaven’ for sure, and never will, they are ATHIEST like the chicken, dogs, pigs etc, i dont think tychos "scientist" will resurrect chicken either, he can tell us.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:Much Know wrote:Do not mistake the “begwoook” of a chicken for thinking, even a machine can be made to respond in the same way after a beating, all about messages fired to various muscles from various parts of brain e.t.c, in other words in tychos “simulation”, we can conclude chicken are just like machines in the “video game”, for the use of the character “man”, for entertainment and eating, kuku fry, today we can make much more intelligent machines than chicken, and some that do things better than man, and they don’t care about ‘heaven’ for sure, and never will, they are ATHIEST like the chicken, dogs, pigs etc, i dont think tychos "scientist" will resurrect chicken either, he can tell us. It seems that some of us don't understand what intelligence is and interestingly, may have failed to develop intelligence in themselves to the extent of projecting their ideals even to the animal world. Generally, still, if ressurection is possible in Man then it must be possible to chicken. And probably other factors other than ability may prevent such a move. Finally, if there's God, then Man can't be sure that animals have no sort of relationship with him. Just to put matters to perspective let me give some interesting links that may help some of us do some 'serious thinking'. http://www.theguardian.c.../jul/10/chickens-clever
http://freefromharm.org/...view-of-recent-science/
Maybe @Much know should remind us of any artificially intelligent 'being' that's more intelligent than a chicken.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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While we're still thinking, and I'm preparing to respond to @AlphDoti, let me allow questions like; is the idea of the soul, or resurrection, or death a zombie idea? How can one know the truth of an assertion? Or are we helpless in a world full of ideas that reasons for accepting them are simply driven by scarcity of resources and hidden agendas? https://www.theguardian....why-bad-ideas-refuse-die
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
The soul is put in the foetus 4 months after conception i.e. around 120 days.
The precision of the period of time is impressive - but it just tempts me to ask - is there a test that was conducted to come up with this assertion? why not 3months or 5 months? Im also waiting for the answer @masukums, the foetus makes voluntary movements the moment a soul is put in it. I challenge you to carry out a test and you'll come to confirm this, if you're lucky. NOTE: BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, THIS WILL NOT BE DISPROVED. Ibn Masud narrated that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said:
For every one of you, the components of his creation are gathered together in the mother's womb for a period of forty days. Then he will remain for two more periods of the same length, after which the angel is sent and insufflates the spirit into him. [Hadith received by al-Bukhari and Muslim]After first 40 days: components gather together After next 40 days: components develop further After next 40 days: soul is put and becomes voluntary movts so... if movement is mark of voluntary movements - what about that of a rat? on the quotation from some random arabic speakers from 1400 @masukuma, yes even the rat has one. A different kind of soul from that of humans. I told you before ( i guess you didn't read the last statement in this post (Quran 81:5)) that animals, including your rat, will be alive and gathered on the Day of Judgement like humans. If they have no soul this action will be meaningless. You didn't think beyond that, right? And this is mentioned in the Quran says: And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered. [Quran 6:38]
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
The soul is put in the foetus 4 months after conception i.e. around 120 days.
The precision of the period of time is impressive - but it just tempts me to ask - is there a test that was conducted to come up with this assertion? why not 3months or 5 months? Im also waiting for the answer @masukums, the foetus makes voluntary movements the moment a soul is put in it. I challenge you to carry out a test and you'll come to confirm this, if you're lucky. NOTE: BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, THIS WILL NOT BE DISPROVED. Ibn Masud narrated that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said:
For every one of you, the components of his creation are gathered together in the mother's womb for a period of forty days. Then he will remain for two more periods of the same length, after which the angel is sent and insufflates the spirit into him. [Hadith received by al-Bukhari and Muslim]After first 40 days: components gather together After next 40 days: components develop further After next 40 days: soul is put and becomes voluntary movts so... if movement is mark of voluntary movements - what about that of a rat? on the quotation from some random arabic speakers from 1400 @masukuma, yes even the rat has one. A different kind of soul from that of humans. I told you before ( i guess you didn't read the last statement in this post (Quran 81:5)) that animals, including your rat, will be alive and gathered on the Day of Judgement like humans. If they have no soul this action will be meaningless. You didn't think beyond that, right? And this is mentioned in the Quran says: And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered. [Quran 6:38] what about amoeba? shall it be gathered? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:While we're still thinking, and I'm preparing to respond to @AlphDoti, let me allow questions like; is the idea of the soul, or resurrection, or death a zombie idea? How can one know the truth of an assertion? tycho wrote:Finally, if there's God, then Man can't be sure that animals have no sort of relationship with him. @tycho, we are sure of everything. The idea of soul, resurrection, death is not zombie in my world. All these are sure things. No guess work at all! I told you this. Ask me anything...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
The soul is put in the foetus 4 months after conception i.e. around 120 days.
The precision of the period of time is impressive - but it just tempts me to ask - is there a test that was conducted to come up with this assertion? why not 3months or 5 months? Im also waiting for the answer @masukums, the foetus makes voluntary movements the moment a soul is put in it. I challenge you to carry out a test and you'll come to confirm this, if you're lucky. NOTE: BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, THIS WILL NOT BE DISPROVED. Ibn Masud narrated that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said:
For every one of you, the components of his creation are gathered together in the mother's womb for a period of forty days. Then he will remain for two more periods of the same length, after which the angel is sent and insufflates the spirit into him. [Hadith received by al-Bukhari and Muslim]After first 40 days: components gather together After next 40 days: components develop further After next 40 days: soul is put and becomes voluntary movts so... if movement is mark of voluntary movements - what about that of a rat? on the quotation from some random arabic speakers from 1400 @masukuma, yes even the rat has one. A different kind of soul from that of humans. I told you before ( i guess you didn't read the last statement in this post (Quran 81:5)) that animals, including your rat, will be alive and gathered on the Day of Judgement like humans. If they have no soul this action will be meaningless. You didn't think beyond that, right? And this is mentioned in the Quran says: And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered. [Quran 6:38] what about amoeba? shall it be gathered? @masukuma, how big is our universe? Is it possible that from a far distance, is it possible that you look like a a bacteria and someone sitting 92.96 million miles away may have to look through microscopes to locate you? Do you think if that person is discovering you for the first time might think you are unintelligent being, with simple purposes of attacking vegetation and animals and drinking water and emitting industrial gases etc making the earth sick (drought, pollution etc), the same way we see bacteria attacking body cells?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
The soul is put in the foetus 4 months after conception i.e. around 120 days.
The precision of the period of time is impressive - but it just tempts me to ask - is there a test that was conducted to come up with this assertion? why not 3months or 5 months? Im also waiting for the answer @masukums, the foetus makes voluntary movements the moment a soul is put in it. I challenge you to carry out a test and you'll come to confirm this, if you're lucky. NOTE: BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, THIS WILL NOT BE DISPROVED. Ibn Masud narrated that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said:
For every one of you, the components of his creation are gathered together in the mother's womb for a period of forty days. Then he will remain for two more periods of the same length, after which the angel is sent and insufflates the spirit into him. [Hadith received by al-Bukhari and Muslim]After first 40 days: components gather together After next 40 days: components develop further After next 40 days: soul is put and becomes voluntary movts so... if movement is mark of voluntary movements - what about that of a rat? on the quotation from some random arabic speakers from 1400 @masukuma, yes even the rat has one. A different kind of soul from that of humans. I told you before ( i guess you didn't read the last statement in this post (Quran 81:5)) that animals, including your rat, will be alive and gathered on the Day of Judgement like humans. If they have no soul this action will be meaningless. You didn't think beyond that, right? And this is mentioned in the Quran says: And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered. [Quran 6:38] what about amoeba? shall it be gathered? @masukuma, how big is our universe? Is it possible that from a far distance, is it possible that you look like a a bacteria and someone sitting 92.96 million miles away may have to look through microscopes to locate you? Do you think if that person is discovering you for the first time might think you are unintelligent being, with simple purposes of attacking vegetation and animals and drinking water and emitting industrial gases etc making the earth sick (drought, pollution etc), the same way we see bacteria attacking body cells? so... will Amoeba be gathered? what happens to the children who die after your BS period of time? will they be gathered? what about the crunchy chicks in balut? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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