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murchr
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:06:11 PM
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Eventually some jobs will be extinct as humans evolve into using technology. Ndemo's article "Technological Unemployment: Should we be worried?" brought out the inevitability of this by giving the 3D printing example. Soon, the unemployment rate in Africa could be close to 70% esp given that a majority of us are employed in the informal sector.

In another thread huko red section, it was agreed that Banking jobs are going. In the west, you will find less than 10 bank employees in a branch. The manager is mostly in the banking hall, yapping with customers who are rare you can do anything online. Cash is rarely used, checks are deposited using the phone by scanning or taking a picture, there are about 2 tellers one collecting requests on the driveway the other in the banking hall...and the occasional mortgage/insurance guy.

In Kiash land, people drive to the petrol station and fill their tanks. The petrol machines take credit cards, and some cash, will that tech come to Kenya? ---time will tell.

Some years back, when I was confused about what I wanted to do as a career, my good uncle advised me to take accounting since the jobs are guaranteed, every company needs an accountant, he said. Today, that is not guaranteed. Today, if I was to advice anyone confused of what to do as a career, id advise them to take IT. That is the future, but if you are good at entertaining...nature that talent..
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Swenani
#2 Posted : Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:36:50 PM
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murchr wrote:
Eventually some jobs will be extinct as humans evolve into using technology. Ndemo's article "Technological Unemployment: Should we be worried?" brought out the inevitability of this by giving the 3D printing example. Soon, the unemployment rate in Africa could be close to 70% esp given that a majority of us are employed in the informal sector.

In another thread huko red section, it was agreed that Banking jobs are going. In the west, you will find less than 10 bank employees in a branch. The manager is mostly in the banking hall, yapping with customers who are rare you can do anything online. Cash is rarely used, checks are deposited using the phone by scanning or taking a picture, there are about 2 tellers one collecting requests on the driveway the other in the banking hall...and the occasional mortgage/insurance guy.

In Kiash land, people drive to the petrol station and fill their tanks. The petrol machines take credit cards, and some cash, will that tech come to Kenya? ---time will tell.

Some years back, when I was confused about what I wanted to do as a career, my good uncle advised me to take accounting since the jobs are guaranteed, every company needs an accountant, he said. Today, that is not guaranteed. Today, if I was to advice anyone confused of what to do as a career, id advise them to take IT. That is the future, but if you are good at entertaining...nature that talent..

The other guaranteed job is to be a shosholight
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Lolest!
#3 Posted : Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:41:51 PM
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Some years back, when I was confused about what I wanted to do as a career, my good uncle advised me to take accounting since the jobs are guaranteed, every company needs an accountant, he said. Today, that is not guaranteed. Today, if I was to advice anyone confused of what to do as a career, id advise them to take IT. That is the future, but if you are good at entertaining...nature that talent..


Computerised Systems have reduced the number of accountants needed but have not, and will not, eliminate accountancy profession!!
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#4 Posted : Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:44:47 PM
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Real automation in Africa is still way off. Will not happen in our lifetime due to internal subortage and relactunce by management & governance teams due to costs &/or selfishness.
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murchr
#5 Posted : Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:47:53 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
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Some years back, when I was confused about what I wanted to do as a career, my good uncle advised me to take accounting since the jobs are guaranteed, every company needs an accountant, he said. Today, that is not guaranteed. Today, if I was to advice anyone confused of what to do as a career, id advise them to take IT. That is the future, but if you are good at entertaining...nature that talent..


Computerised Systems have reduced the number of accountants needed but have not, and will not, eliminate accountancy profession!!


What I meant is, accountants are no longer the necessary employee...these services are mostly outsourced now. 1 accountant can handle several companies. We now have software(fresh books, Turbo tax) that is easy to use and more customer friendly.
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murchr
#6 Posted : Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:49:47 PM
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Othelo wrote:
Real automation in Africa is still way off. Will not happen in our lifetime due to internal subortage and relactunce by management & governance teams due to costs &/or selfishness.


Its going to be cheaper to automate and soon management will realize that they will save so much when they lay off.
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#7 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 3:30:10 AM
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AI taking over
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#8 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 5:43:46 PM
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Nice article from The Washington Post a few days ago:

The amazing artificial intelligence we were promised is coming, finally
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murchr
#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:42:08 PM
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Not related to a profession but: Twitter in ICU dying. Apart from Kenyans who feel hot to be referred as KOT, the rest of the world apart from Trump ofcourse rarely twits. Only journalists use it to publicize their articles
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masukuma
#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 10:57:45 PM
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murchr wrote:
Not related to a profession but: Twitter in ICU dying. Apart from Kenyans who feel hot to be referred as KOT, the rest of the world apart from Trump ofcourse rarely twits. Only journalists use it to publicize their articles

it's very valuable... just has failed to capture that value!
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murchr
#11 Posted : Thursday, December 22, 2016 1:52:01 AM
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masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
Not related to a profession but: Twitter in ICU dying. Apart from Kenyans who feel hot to be referred as KOT, the rest of the world apart from Trump ofcourse rarely twits. Only journalists use it to publicize their articles

it's very valuable... just has failed to capture that value!


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#12 Posted : Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:30:43 AM
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As I agree with you @murchr and Ndemo, we need to be careful with this IT monster. A huge portion of our youth are taking IT in campus and colleges believing they'll develop the next big App or system and become instant millionaires. They think this is an open highway to the untold Silicon riches. Someone needs to educate them that only 1:10,000,000 succeeds in these ventures. The rest will remain locked up in the bedrooms of their parents' houses depressed and gathering dust. This IT revolution is a curse to the youth especially when expectations are poorly managed.

BBI will solve it
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#13 Posted : Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:42:46 AM
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murchr wrote:
Eventually some jobs will be extinct as humans evolve into using technology. Ndemo's article "Technological Unemployment: Should we be worried?" brought out the inevitability of this by giving the 3D printing example. Soon, the unemployment rate in Africa could be close to 70% esp given that a majority of us are employed in the informal sector.

In another thread huko red section, it was agreed that Banking jobs are going. In the west, you will find less than 10 bank employees in a branch. The manager is mostly in the banking hall, yapping with customers who are rare you can do anything online. Cash is rarely used, checks are deposited using the phone by scanning or taking a picture, there are about 2 tellers one collecting requests on the driveway the other in the banking hall...and the occasional mortgage/insurance guy.

In Kiash land, people drive to the petrol station and fill their tanks. The petrol machines take credit cards, and some cash, will that tech come to Kenya? ---time will tell.

Some years back, when I was confused about what I wanted to do as a career, my good uncle advised me to take accounting since the jobs are guaranteed, every company needs an accountant, he said. Today, that is not guaranteed. Today, if I was to advice anyone confused of what to do as a career, id advise them to take IT. That is the future, but if you are good at entertaining...nature that talent..


I find such articles rather shallow and uninformed.
As a country,Kenya has very low skill sets for most jobs, further, we don't have enough of the very critical skills that we require to move to the next level, example;
- We don't have enough doctors,
- We don't have enough nurses
- we don't have enough qualified teachers
- we don't have engineers who can build even the most basic mechanical contraptions or houses
- we don't have enough architects
And most importantly, we don't have enough managers to put all this together, IT will not replace human decision making that is central to success.

Some of the most advanced countries like Germany and Japan are currently struggling with skill shortage and are forced to retain older people in employ.

For Kenya, all we have are politicians, idlers and noise makers
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murchr
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:30:16 PM
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2012 wrote:
As I agree with you @murchr and Ndemo, we need to be careful with this IT monster. A huge portion of our youth are taking IT in campus and colleges believing they'll develop the next big App or system and become instant millionaires. They think this is an open highway to the untold Silicon riches. Someone needs to educate them that only 1:10,000,000 succeeds in these ventures. The rest will remain locked up in the bedrooms of their parents' houses depressed and gathering dust. This IT revolution is a curse to the youth especially when expectations are poorly managed.


You got it ALL WRONG. Mo1 had the same thinking of IT being a monster in the 90s and IT didn't go away, we trashed typewriters for computers and the professions that went with the tool.

That huge propotion of the youth taking IT is in the right place. IT doesnt just mean creating of APPS. That just became sexy the other day with the advent of smart phones. When some of us did IT in the early 2000s our uncles thot we will be operating the printing and photocopying machines in the offices. There's so much that goes on in IT, yes those apps - Networking - the guys who figure out how your devices talk to each other - Databases - those guys who figure out how your information is stored and AI -those who want to figure out how to mechanize some of our dirty jobs. If we take an example a company like FB, it has this mix of these careers broken down to other jobs.

We are living in the information age, embrace or perish.

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murchr wrote:

Eventually some jobs will be extinct as humans evolve into using technology. Ndemo's article "Technological Unemployment: Should we be worried?" brought out the inevitability of this by giving the 3D printing example. Soon, the unemployment rate in Africa could be close to 70% esp given that a majority of us are employed in the informal sector.

In another thread huko red section, it was agreed that Banking jobs are going. In the west, you will find less than 10 bank employees in a branch. The manager is mostly in the banking hall, yapping with customers who are rare you can do anything online. Cash is rarely used, checks are deposited using the phone by scanning or taking a picture, there are about 2 tellers one collecting requests on the driveway the other in the banking hall...and the occasional mortgage/insurance guy.

In Kiash land, people drive to the petrol station and fill their tanks. The petrol machines take credit cards, and some cash, will that tech come to Kenya? ---time will tell.

Some years back, when I was confused about what I wanted to do as a career, my good uncle advised me to take accounting since the jobs are guaranteed, every company needs an accountant, he said. Today, that is not guaranteed. Today, if I was to advice anyone confused of what to do as a career, id advise them to take IT. That is the future, but if you are good at entertaining...nature that talent..




I find such articles rather shallow and uninformed.
As a country,Kenya has very low skill sets for most jobs, further, we don't have enough of the very critical skills that we require to move to the next level, example;
- We don't have enough doctors,
- We don't have enough nurses
- we don't have enough qualified teachers
- we don't have engineers who can build even the most basic mechanical contraptions or houses
- we don't have enough architects


You may be right. But in the future, we may not need so many doctors - TeleMedicine

So many nurses Read this article

So many qualified teachers Let me introduce you to Khan Academy https://www.khanacademy.org/

Engineers to build http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35746648

Really architects? The programs a;ready exist http://www.nytimes.com/2...pass-the-architect.html

https://www.theguardian....essions-jobs-technology

https://www.linkedin.com...nal-career-bernard-marr

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murchr
#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 13, 2019 6:36:09 PM
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 13, 2019 7:45:09 PM
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Swenani wrote:
murchr wrote:
Eventually some jobs will be extinct as humans evolve into using technology. Ndemo's article "Technological Unemployment: Should we be worried?" brought out the inevitability of this by giving the 3D printing example. Soon, the unemployment rate in Africa could be close to 70% esp given that a majority of us are employed in the informal sector.

In another thread huko red section, it was agreed that Banking jobs are going. In the west, you will find less than 10 bank employees in a branch. The manager is mostly in the banking hall, yapping with customers who are rare you can do anything online. Cash is rarely used, checks are deposited using the phone by scanning or taking a picture, there are about 2 tellers one collecting requests on the driveway the other in the banking hall...and the occasional mortgage/insurance guy.

In Kiash land, people drive to the petrol station and fill their tanks. The petrol machines take credit cards, and some cash, will that tech come to Kenya? ---time will tell.

Some years back, when I was confused about what I wanted to do as a career, my good uncle advised me to take accounting since the jobs are guaranteed, every company needs an accountant, he said. Today, that is not guaranteed. Today, if I was to advice anyone confused of what to do as a career, id advise them to take IT. That is the future, but if you are good at entertaining...nature that talent..

The other guaranteed job is to be a shosholight

Swenani are you seriousLaughing out loudly
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:35:38 PM
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The most important skill in the world today is what used to be called "noise making" in school. Are you able to attract and retain people's attention? This is what akina Jalas, Jeff Koinange, Churchill, Diamond Platnumz, Eric Omondi, Bikozulu etc are doing. The smart ones will create teams of content creators behind them like Churchill has started but the industry is still green.

Encourage your children to be brave, engaging, articulate, tell stories and above all study.
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