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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Soon, it will be possible to resurrect the dead- hint: existence is now increasingly being seen as a simulation, and many other reasons thankfully under the scope that many seem to trust, science...
So a question arises because it may cost you some money; if you were to choose who to ressurect, who would your first choice be, and why? You are free to time travel into the future and resurrect someone who's alive now so that hypothetically this person will never die.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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I can tell you, it'll not happen. Bringing life is not in the hands of man. Take that to the bank. And that "miracle" was time bound, no more.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:Soon, it will be possible to resurrect the dead- hint: existence is now increasingly being seen as a simulation, and many other reasons thankfully under the scope that many seem to trust, science...
So a question arises because it may cost you some money; if you were to choose who to ressurect, who would your first choice be, and why? You are free to time travel into the future and resurrect someone who's alive now so that hypothetically this person will never die. Dear Tycho, Many greetings like the sand of the sea. Recently you spoke about myth and I believe someone said myths are not true (an arguable proposition but that is another fight altogether). For the sake of making a point, let us assume he was right. The belief that life and death are equivalent to the animation, or lack of it, of a human body is a myth, and a not very well crafted one at that. The truth is death is an illusion - granted, one that serves an important evolutionary purpose, that of encouraging us to protect our earth vehicles when we have them. We never die. We simply animate different vehicles depending on purpose, location and the lessons that we wish to learn. I hear scientists claiming it will soon be possible to upload our consciousness on a computer and presumably download it into another vehicle, maybe a robot. While I remain to be convinced of this, they actually have a point. Death, as an end or terminal transition, is an illusion. Think about this: if humans are ever to reach the stars it will be minus our biological vehicles. We don't even go to heaven with them as Alphadoti will readily confirm (we can't even go far under the sea with our naked bodies). Our bodies are complex and useful but they are made for a limited purpose. Operation on the surface of planet Earth, no more. Yours very truly ................ "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:I can tell you, it'll not happen. Bringing life is not in the hands of man. Take that to the bank. And that "miracle" was time bound, no more. @Alph, notice that you've made a proposition without backing it up with reasons. On the other hand, genetics, and genetic engineering and a host of other technologies make it at least hypothetically possible for example to re-create even animals long extinct. Besides, the questions of what life is, and what humanity is have never been really settled. Take this opportunity to reconsider them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Hello @Wakanyugi! Look at your post; does it have a commitment to all things as illusion?
But lets suppose that all things are either illusions and non illusions, they are all under laws, and at least are hypothetically reversible. Such that the loosing of earthly vessels can be undone.
Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:I can tell you, it'll not happen. Bringing life is not in the hands of man. Take that to the bank. And that "miracle" was time bound, no more. @Alph, notice that you've made a proposition without backing it up with reasons. On the other hand, genetics, and genetic engineering and a host of other technologies make it at least hypothetically possible for example to re-create even animals long extinct. Besides, the questions of what life is, and what humanity is have never been really settled. Take this opportunity to reconsider them. It depends what you mean by resurrection. From the death? And as for re-creating, the scientists are not creating anything new. They are just aiding the natural phenomena of a cell meeting another cell to make life. Can those scientists create cells from scratch?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise... My definition of death is the disengagement of the soul from the body. The first outward sign is stop of breathing. But not breathing alone doesn't mean death. As for the day when the body and soul are reunited again, I refer to this as resurrection. Human beings (scientists) are not the owners of the law of life. Yes, they can create the environment that either sustains life or that destroys life. No scientists is able to resurrect. And they will not be able. Ever.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:I can tell you, it'll not happen. Bringing life is not in the hands of man. Take that to the bank. And that "miracle" was time bound, no more. On the other hand, genetics, and genetic engineering and a host of other technologies make it at least hypothetically possible for example to re-create even animals long extinct... No human being can claim that he is able to bring the dead back to life. If anyone claims that, then all those people who died, let him bring them back to life if his claim is true! Stories of sustaining life is not same as bringing back life. Wacheni kutuchezea hapa!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:Hello @Wakanyugi! Look at your post; does it have a commitment to all things as illusion?
But lets suppose that all things are either illusions and non illusions, they are all under laws, and at least are hypothetically reversible. Such that the loosing of earthly vessels can be undone.
Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise... Hey, Tycho! Come srowry. I have never said that all things are illusion. However most things that we create in a 3D reality, including the Universe itself are illusion. Nevertheless, 'unity' or what some call the singularity (the one that includes all) is not illusion, I think. You (the real you) are not illusion, but then you are neither singular nor plural being as you are an integral part of 'unity.' "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise... My definition of death is the disengagement of the soul from the body. The first outward sign is stop of breathing. But not breathing alone doesn't mean death. As for the day when the body and soul are reunited again, I refer to this as resurrection. Human beings (scientists) are not the owners of the law of life. Yes, they can create the environment that either sustains life or that destroys life. No scientists is able to resurrect. And they will not be able. Ever. I still think this a rather limited definition, even from a religious point of view. I don't know the Koran or even the Bible very well. But when I read the story of Isa and his 'death' and 'resurrection' (including the examples where he 'raised people from the dead') I am persuaded to conclude that his key lesson for us was this: "We can conquer death, the way he did, but we must first realize that we are much more than the limits of our bodies. That we are not our bodies at all, we just wear these wonderful instruments for a while." In fact I think there is a place Isa said something like, 'much worse than bodily death, is the death of the soul.' Again this is not an area I am well versed in, so I admit I could be wrong. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:I can tell you, it'll not happen. Bringing life is not in the hands of man. Take that to the bank. And that "miracle" was time bound, no more. @Alph, notice that you've made a proposition without backing it up with reasons. On the other hand, genetics, and genetic engineering and a host of other technologies make it at least hypothetically possible for example to re-create even animals long extinct. Besides, the questions of what life is, and what humanity is have never been really settled. Take this opportunity to reconsider them. It depends what you mean by resurrection. From the death? And as for re-creating, the scientists are not creating anything new. They are just aiding the natural phenomena of a cell meeting another cell to make life. Can those scientists create cells from scratch? http://www.telegraph.co....e-about-playing-god.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise... My definition of death is the disengagement of the soul from the body. The first outward sign is stop of breathing. But not breathing alone doesn't mean death. As for the day when the body and soul are reunited again, I refer to this as resurrection. Human beings (scientists) are not the owners of the law of life. Yes, they can create the environment that either sustains life or that destroys life. No scientists is able to resurrect. And they will not be able. Ever. Maybe at this moment I should ask, does the 'soul' join the body before birth? When exactly does it do so? If the soul joins the body under special conditions in the womb, why would you suppose that an artificial womb can't be used? Such a mechanism would undoubtedly make the work the task of ressurecting probably easier!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Hello @Wakanyugi! Look at your post; does it have a commitment to all things as illusion?
But lets suppose that all things are either illusions and non illusions, they are all under laws, and at least are hypothetically reversible. Such that the loosing of earthly vessels can be undone.
Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise... Hey, Tycho! Come srowry. I have never said that all things are illusion. However most things that we create in a 3D reality, including the Universe itself are illusion. Nevertheless, 'unity' or what some call the singularity (the one that includes all) is not illusion, I think. You (the real you) are not illusion, but then you are neither singular nor plural being as you are an integral part of 'unity.' Okay. Now can the process of losing the earthly vessel as you've put it reversed? My point is, if that's nature then it's probably possible. Or, is life mostly about the peculiar relations existing per 'time'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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I may not understand what you guys are saying, but it sounds interesting. punda amecheka
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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newfarer wrote:I may not understand what you guys are saying, but it sounds interesting. Me neither. I thought it is a movie by Denzel Washington 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise... My definition of death is the disengagement of the soul from the body. The first outward sign is stop of breathing. But not breathing alone doesn't mean death. As for the day when the body and soul are reunited again, I refer to this as resurrection. Human beings (scientists) are not the owners of the law of life. Yes, they can create the environment that either sustains life or that destroys life. No scientists is able to resurrect. And they will not be able. Ever. Maybe at this moment I should ask, does the 'soul' join the body before birth? When exactly does it do so? If the soul joins the body under special conditions in the womb, why would you suppose that an artificial womb can't be used? Such a mechanism would undoubtedly make the work the task of resurrecting probably easier! The soul joins the body before birth. If the soul is not there, then that body will just be an extension of the womb... it won't exist on its own. If you cut of the womb, then it dies immediately just like amputating a limb. And yes, you can use artificial womb. That is just creating a conducive environment for life to grow. But that would be hosting an already existing life. But resurrecting, collecting all those carbon components of my grand father, put them together and put a soul in there, that one is not for "man" to do!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:I can tell you, it'll not happen. Bringing life is not in the hands of man. Take that to the bank. And that "miracle" was time bound, no more. @Alph, notice that you've made a proposition without backing it up with reasons. On the other hand, genetics, and genetic engineering and a host of other technologies make it at least hypothetically possible for example to re-create even animals long extinct. Besides, the questions of what life is, and what humanity is have never been really settled. Take this opportunity to reconsider them. It depends what you mean by resurrection. From the death? And as for re-creating, the scientists are not creating anything new. They are just aiding the natural phenomena of a cell meeting another cell to make life. Can those scientists create cells from scratch? http://www.telegraph.co....-about-playing-god.html
The point is, he cannot rebuilt my grand-father's 20,000 human genome genes and three billion base pairs. What he can do is a photocopy of my grand-father, which will be a new person all together called "clone". The only difference between my grandfather and a cloned him is in the genes. He had 23 chromosomes from the mother and 23 chromosomes from the father or 23 pairs in every cell of the body (of course except the germ cells or gametes i.e. sperm or ova). The clone copy of him will have 23 pairs of chromosomes of my grandfather.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Wakanyugi wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise... My definition of death is the disengagement of the soul from the body. The first outward sign is stop of breathing. But not breathing alone doesn't mean death. As for the day when the body and soul are reunited again, I refer to this as resurrection. Human beings (scientists) are not the owners of the law of life. Yes, they can create the environment that either sustains life or that destroys life. No scientists is able to resurrect. And they will not be able. Ever. I still think this a rather limited definition, even from a religious point of view. I don't know the Koran or even the Bible very well. But when I read the story of Isa and his 'death' and 'resurrection' (including the examples where he 'raised people from the dead') I am persuaded to conclude that his key lesson for us was this: "We can conquer death, the way he did, but we must first realize that we are much more than the limits of our bodies. That we are not our bodies at all, we just wear these wonderful instruments for a while." In fact I think there is a place Isa said something like, 'much worse than bodily death, is the death of the soul.' Again this is not an area I am well versed in, so I admit I could be wrong. This is for @Wakanyugi only:
ﺇِﺫْ ﻗَﺎﻝَ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻳَٰﻌِﻴﺴَﻰ ٱﺑْﻦَ ﻣَﺮْﻳَﻢَ ٱﺫْﻛُﺮْ ﻧِﻌْﻤَﺘِﻰ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻚَ ﻭَﻋَﻠَﻰٰ ﻭَٰﻟِﺪَﺗِﻚَ ﺇِﺫْ ﺃَﻳَّﺪﺗُّﻚَ ﺑِﺮُﻭﺡِ ٱﻟْﻘُﺪُﺱِ ﺗُﻜَﻠِّﻢُ ٱﻟﻨَّﺎﺱَ ﻓِﻰ ٱﻟْﻤَﻬْﺪِ ﻭَﻛَﻬْﻼً ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﻋَﻠَّﻤْﺘُﻚَ ٱﻟْﻜِﺘَٰﺐَ ﻭَٱﻟْﺤِﻜْﻤَﺔَ ﻭَٱﻟﺘَّﻮْﺭَﻯٰﺓَ ﻭَٱﻹِْﻧﺠِﻴﻞَ ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﺗَﺨْﻠُﻖُ ﻣِﻦَ ٱﻟﻄِّﻴﻦِ ﻛَﻬَﻴْـَٔﺔِ ٱﻟﻄَّﻴْﺮِ ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ﻓَﺘَﻨﻔُﺦُ ﻓِﻴﻬَﺎ ﻓَﺘَﻜُﻮﻥُ ﻃَﻴْﺮًۢا ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ۖ ﻭَﺗُﺒْﺮِﺉُ ٱﻷَْﻛْﻤَﻪَ ﻭَٱﻷَْﺑْﺮَﺹَ ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﺗُﺨْﺮِﺝُ ٱﻟْﻤَﻮْﺗَﻰٰ ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﻛَﻔَﻔْﺖُ ﺑَﻨِﻰٓ ﺇِﺳْﺮَٰٓءِﻳﻞَ ﻋَﻨﻚَ ﺇِﺫْ ﺟِﺌْﺘَﻬُﻢ ﺑِﭑﻟْﺒَﻴِّﻨَٰﺖِ ﻓَﻘَﺎﻝَ ٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ﻛَﻔَﺮُﻭا۟ ﻣِﻨْﻬُﻢْ ﺇِﻥْ ﻫَٰﺬَآ ﺇِﻻَّ ﺳِﺤْﺮٌ ﻣُّﺒِﻴﻦٌ[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic." [Quran 5:110] So from the above verse (there are many such verses) we learn that whatever Isa (Jesus son of Mary) did was with the permission of Allah (Almighty God). So similarly, the dead body of Lazarus couldn't come back alive without soul put in by creator of the soul.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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AlphDoti wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise... My definition of death is the disengagement of the soul from the body. The first outward sign is stop of breathing. But not breathing alone doesn't mean death. As for the day when the body and soul are reunited again, I refer to this as resurrection. Human beings (scientists) are not the owners of the law of life. Yes, they can create the environment that either sustains life or that destroys life. No scientists is able to resurrect. And they will not be able. Ever. I still think this a rather limited definition, even from a religious point of view. I don't know the Koran or even the Bible very well. But when I read the story of Isa and his 'death' and 'resurrection' (including the examples where he 'raised people from the dead') I am persuaded to conclude that his key lesson for us was this: "We can conquer death, the way he did, but we must first realize that we are much more than the limits of our bodies. That we are not our bodies at all, we just wear these wonderful instruments for a while." In fact I think there is a place Isa said something like, 'much worse than bodily death, is the death of the soul.' Again this is not an area I am well versed in, so I admit I could be wrong. This is for @Wakanyugi only:
ﺇِﺫْ ﻗَﺎﻝَ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻳَٰﻌِﻴﺴَﻰ ٱﺑْﻦَ ﻣَﺮْﻳَﻢَ ٱﺫْﻛُﺮْ ﻧِﻌْﻤَﺘِﻰ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻚَ ﻭَﻋَﻠَﻰٰ ﻭَٰﻟِﺪَﺗِﻚَ ﺇِﺫْ ﺃَﻳَّﺪﺗُّﻚَ ﺑِﺮُﻭﺡِ ٱﻟْﻘُﺪُﺱِ ﺗُﻜَﻠِّﻢُ ٱﻟﻨَّﺎﺱَ ﻓِﻰ ٱﻟْﻤَﻬْﺪِ ﻭَﻛَﻬْﻼً ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﻋَﻠَّﻤْﺘُﻚَ ٱﻟْﻜِﺘَٰﺐَ ﻭَٱﻟْﺤِﻜْﻤَﺔَ ﻭَٱﻟﺘَّﻮْﺭَﻯٰﺓَ ﻭَٱﻹِْﻧﺠِﻴﻞَ ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﺗَﺨْﻠُﻖُ ﻣِﻦَ ٱﻟﻄِّﻴﻦِ ﻛَﻬَﻴْـَٔﺔِ ٱﻟﻄَّﻴْﺮِ ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ﻓَﺘَﻨﻔُﺦُ ﻓِﻴﻬَﺎ ﻓَﺘَﻜُﻮﻥُ ﻃَﻴْﺮًۢا ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ۖ ﻭَﺗُﺒْﺮِﺉُ ٱﻷَْﻛْﻤَﻪَ ﻭَٱﻷَْﺑْﺮَﺹَ ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﺗُﺨْﺮِﺝُ ٱﻟْﻤَﻮْﺗَﻰٰ ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﻛَﻔَﻔْﺖُ ﺑَﻨِﻰٓ ﺇِﺳْﺮَٰٓءِﻳﻞَ ﻋَﻨﻚَ ﺇِﺫْ ﺟِﺌْﺘَﻬُﻢ ﺑِﭑﻟْﺒَﻴِّﻨَٰﺖِ ﻓَﻘَﺎﻝَ ٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ﻛَﻔَﺮُﻭا۟ ﻣِﻨْﻬُﻢْ ﺇِﻥْ ﻫَٰﺬَآ ﺇِﻻَّ ﺳِﺤْﺮٌ ﻣُّﺒِﻴﻦٌ[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic." [Quran 5:110] So from the above verse (there are many such verses) we learn that whatever Isa (Jesus son of Mary) did was with the permission of Allah (Almighty God). So similarly, the dead body of Lazarus couldn't come back alive without soul put in by creator of the soul. Very interesting article I read. Maybe it's applicable here or not but I'm not a fun of death discussions scientific evidence there is life after death
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:
ﺇِﺫْ ﻗَﺎﻝَ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻳَٰﻌِﻴﺴَﻰ ٱﺑْﻦَ ﻣَﺮْﻳَﻢَ ٱﺫْﻛُﺮْ ﻧِﻌْﻤَﺘِﻰ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻚَ ﻭَﻋَﻠَﻰٰ ﻭَٰﻟِﺪَﺗِﻚَ ﺇِﺫْ ﺃَﻳَّﺪﺗُّﻚَ ﺑِﺮُﻭﺡِ ٱﻟْﻘُﺪُﺱِ ﺗُﻜَﻠِّﻢُ ٱﻟﻨَّﺎﺱَ ﻓِﻰ ٱﻟْﻤَﻬْﺪِ ﻭَﻛَﻬْﻼً ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﻋَﻠَّﻤْﺘُﻚَ ٱﻟْﻜِﺘَٰﺐَ ﻭَٱﻟْﺤِﻜْﻤَﺔَ ﻭَٱﻟﺘَّﻮْﺭَﻯٰﺓَ ﻭَٱﻹِْﻧﺠِﻴﻞَ ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﺗَﺨْﻠُﻖُ ﻣِﻦَ ٱﻟﻄِّﻴﻦِ ﻛَﻬَﻴْـَٔﺔِ ٱﻟﻄَّﻴْﺮِ ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ﻓَﺘَﻨﻔُﺦُ ﻓِﻴﻬَﺎ ﻓَﺘَﻜُﻮﻥُ ﻃَﻴْﺮًۢا ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ۖ ﻭَﺗُﺒْﺮِﺉُ ٱﻷَْﻛْﻤَﻪَ ﻭَٱﻷَْﺑْﺮَﺹَ ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﺗُﺨْﺮِﺝُ ٱﻟْﻤَﻮْﺗَﻰٰ ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻰ ۖ ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﻛَﻔَﻔْﺖُ ﺑَﻨِﻰٓ ﺇِﺳْﺮَٰٓءِﻳﻞَ ﻋَﻨﻚَ ﺇِﺫْ ﺟِﺌْﺘَﻬُﻢ ﺑِﭑﻟْﺒَﻴِّﻨَٰﺖِ ﻓَﻘَﺎﻝَ ٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ﻛَﻔَﺮُﻭا۟ ﻣِﻨْﻬُﻢْ ﺇِﻥْ ﻫَٰﺬَآ ﺇِﻻَّ ﺳِﺤْﺮٌ ﻣُّﺒِﻴﻦٌ
These squiggles are very useful for us! Very legible! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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