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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:No nation in the history of the world has successfully developed economically while under democratic rule. I believe that Kenya is taking the well trodden path of liberalization without restraint which characterized much of 1990's former soviet bloc states (not development) but integration in to European markets without the development of and support for home grown industry. Which led those countries to focus mostly on consumption of foreign produced goods while the profits those companies made were expatriated to foreign shareholders in the form of dividends (not a viable development path). Ethiopia on the other hand is following the more successful statist model like South Korea, Japan, and more recently China have pursued to great effect. Of course I'm not at all surprised that the Economist magazine would fall on the side of established Western capital interests. Why increase the competition right? From the comments in that article Silly comment, I could argue that Germany, US, Canada, UK, Israel, Japan, Australia,South Korea, India, France, Italy, Norway, Finland, have done ok under democracy. The book 'Why Nations Fail' also posits that it's freedom and liberty and liberalisation of economies that makes countries sustainably prosperous.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/8/2008 Posts: 288
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I would rather only those who have lived or had an extended visit to Ethiopia to comment on this thread.
But as that is unlikely to happen, I hope those who have not take advise from those who have been there.
Word,, Ethiopia is still a sh*t hole, picture Kenya in the 90's under Mo1, nuff said. I agree with Obi 1 Kanobi. let people travel to Ethiopia first before they praise the few projects they keep praising. I have driven from Addis towards Djibouti and Somali border. What I saw is high level of poverty. Kenya is very ahead
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Jitahidi wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I would rather only those who have lived or had an extended visit to Ethiopia to comment on this thread.
But as that is unlikely to happen, I hope those who have not take advise from those who have been there.
Word,, Ethiopia is still a sh*t hole, picture Kenya in the 90's under Mo1, nuff said. I agree with Obi 1 Kanobi. let people travel to Ethiopia first before they praise the few projects they keep praising. I have driven from Addis towards Djibouti and Somali border. What I saw is high level of poverty. Kenya is very ahead You could be going through what Charles Dickens went through when he went to America. Quote: Many contemporary critiques of American civilization are anticipated by that of Charles Dickens, who as England's celebrated novelist and democratic reformer first visited the United States in 1842, early in his career. Dickens' account of the visit, American Notes, was one of the first British viewpoints to demonstrate that an Englishman did not have to be an aristocrat to distrust the American rhetoric. Dickens charged Americans with incivility, arrogance, anti-intellectualism, a predilection for violence, and hypocrisy, particularly about anti-democratic policies such as slavery. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Jitahidi wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I would rather only those who have lived or had an extended visit to Ethiopia to comment on this thread.
But as that is unlikely to happen, I hope those who have not take advise from those who have been there.
Word,, Ethiopia is still a sh*t hole, picture Kenya in the 90's under Mo1, nuff said. I agree with Obi 1 Kanobi. let people travel to Ethiopia first before they praise the few projects they keep praising. I have driven from Addis towards Djibouti and Somali border. What I saw is high level of poverty. Kenya is very ahead You could be going through what Charles Dickens went through when he went to America. Quote: Many contemporary critiques of American civilization are anticipated by that of Charles Dickens, who as England's celebrated novelist and democratic reformer first visited the United States in 1842, early in his career. Dickens' account of the visit, American Notes, was one of the first British viewpoints to demonstrate that an Englishman did not have to be an aristocrat to distrust the American rhetoric. Dickens charged Americans with incivility, arrogance, anti-intellectualism, a predilection for violence, and hypocrisy, particularly about anti-democratic policies such as slavery. 1 Obi Kanobi is a realist. people need to tembea ulimwengu to appreciate how far ahead our 'kenyan madness' has taken us. Ethiopia? add them 20 years, and subtract their Moi = where we were in 2013. Rwanda should effectively be competing with Machakos county.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Jitahidi wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I would rather only those who have lived or had an extended visit to Ethiopia to comment on this thread.
But as that is unlikely to happen, I hope those who have not take advise from those who have been there.
Word,, Ethiopia is still a sh*t hole, picture Kenya in the 90's under Mo1, nuff said. I agree with Obi 1 Kanobi. let people travel to Ethiopia first before they praise the few projects they keep praising. I have driven from Addis towards Djibouti and Somali border. What I saw is high level of poverty. Kenya is very ahead I have never been to Ethiopia, but it would be interesting to know if on your way to Ethiopia you drove via moyale, or if you came back from Somalia via Mandera to Isiolo.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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wa P wrote:murchr wrote:Jitahidi wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I would rather only those who have lived or had an extended visit to Ethiopia to comment on this thread.
But as that is unlikely to happen, I hope those who have not take advise from those who have been there.
Word,, Ethiopia is still a sh*t hole, picture Kenya in the 90's under Mo1, nuff said. I agree with Obi 1 Kanobi. let people travel to Ethiopia first before they praise the few projects they keep praising. I have driven from Addis towards Djibouti and Somali border. What I saw is high level of poverty. Kenya is very ahead You could be going through what Charles Dickens went through when he went to America. Quote: Many contemporary critiques of American civilization are anticipated by that of Charles Dickens, who as England's celebrated novelist and democratic reformer first visited the United States in 1842, early in his career. Dickens' account of the visit, American Notes, was one of the first British viewpoints to demonstrate that an Englishman did not have to be an aristocrat to distrust the American rhetoric. Dickens charged Americans with incivility, arrogance, anti-intellectualism, a predilection for violence, and hypocrisy, particularly about anti-democratic policies such as slavery. 1 Obi Kanobi is a realist. people need to tembea ulimwengu to appreciate how far ahead our 'kenyan madness' has taken us. Ethiopia? add them 20 years, and subtract their Moi = where we were in 2013. Rwanda should effectively be competing with Machakos county. wakenya, with their ego, we are all poor third world countries, poor infrastructure, poor social systems, its like a student in a harambe school bragging to his comrades how good his D+ is compared to the others E. If you have decent cash Kigali, Dar, Kampala, Adis, Nairobi are nice towns to live in, but go to the poor rural areas in all the regional countries and its appalling. ati kenya tuko mbele, mbele gani if going to a public hospital is staring death in the face, children in public schools still study under trees, malaria is still a killer, and death during childbirth is still a big concern, jiggers are still a big issue, not only for select individuals but whole areas. Kenya iko mbele to those who live in gated estates, with medical insurance cover, and private security, coupled with private education for their kids.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:wa P wrote:murchr wrote:Jitahidi wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I would rather only those who have lived or had an extended visit to Ethiopia to comment on this thread.
But as that is unlikely to happen, I hope those who have not take advise from those who have been there.
Word,, Ethiopia is still a sh*t hole, picture Kenya in the 90's under Mo1, nuff said. I agree with Obi 1 Kanobi. let people travel to Ethiopia first before they praise the few projects they keep praising. I have driven from Addis towards Djibouti and Somali border. What I saw is high level of poverty. Kenya is very ahead You could be going through what Charles Dickens went through when he went to America. Quote: Many contemporary critiques of American civilization are anticipated by that of Charles Dickens, who as England's celebrated novelist and democratic reformer first visited the United States in 1842, early in his career. Dickens' account of the visit, American Notes, was one of the first British viewpoints to demonstrate that an Englishman did not have to be an aristocrat to distrust the American rhetoric. Dickens charged Americans with incivility, arrogance, anti-intellectualism, a predilection for violence, and hypocrisy, particularly about anti-democratic policies such as slavery. 1 Obi Kanobi is a realist. people need to tembea ulimwengu to appreciate how far ahead our 'kenyan madness' has taken us. Ethiopia? add them 20 years, and subtract their Moi = where we were in 2013. Rwanda should effectively be competing with Machakos county. wakenya, with their ego, we are all poor third world countries, poor infrastructure, poor social systems, its like a student in a harambe school bragging to his comrades how good his D+ is compared to the others E. If you have decent cash Kigali, Dar, Kampala, Adis, Nairobi are nice towns to live in, but go to the poor rural areas in all the regional countries and its appalling. ati kenya tuko mbele, mbele gani if going to a public hospital is staring death in the face, children in public schools still study under trees, malaria is still a killer, and death during childbirth is still a big concern, jiggers are still a big issue, not only for select individuals but whole areas. Kenya iko mbele to those who live in gated estates, with medical insurance cover, and private security, coupled with private education for their kids. Its kawaida of Kenyans to think they are better of, just like Nairobians believe they live better lives than their cousins in the countryside Let us talk when you see such roads being the norm.   "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Anyone who has been there knows that: 1.The economy is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure 2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254 3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed. 4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Hawassa Industrial Park (HIP) Renders were out in July 15.  Progress Jan 16  May 16   Waafrika need to be doing roads before the buildings "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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kaka2za wrote:Anyone who has been there knows that:
1.The economy in Addis is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure
2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254-I think food is expensive but alcohol is dirty cheap
3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed-Land belongs to government,they can take your one acre land in Nairobi and compensate you with an acre in Ruai-Shamba ni shamba
4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia 5. Every other Ethiopia is looking for away out of Ethiopia apart from the politicians in the ruling party 6. Their education system is pathetic. 7. Their in country intelligence system is on point. 8. Their women are beautiful but most of them are dirty 9.Their is no city planning/zoning Industrial zones exist in the same areas where the wealthy and poor live 10.Addis is a big slum only that the shanties are fenced by glashouses which dot all the major rds in Addis If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Swenani wrote:kaka2za wrote:Anyone who has been there knows that:
1.The economy in Addis is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure
2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254-I think food is expensive but alcohol is dirty cheap
3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed-Land belongs to government,they can take your one acre land in Nairobi and compensate you with an acre in Ruai-Shamba ni shamba
4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia 5. Every other Ethiopia is looking for away out of Ethiopia apart from the politicians in the ruling party 6. Their education system is pathetic. 7. Their in country intelligence system is on point. 8. Their women are beautiful but most of them are dirty 9.Their is no city planning/zoning Industrial zones exist in the same areas where the wealthy and poor live 10.Addis is a big slum only that the shanties are fenced by glashouses which dot all the major rds in Addis Even Nairobi is one big slum Kawangware exists just next to Lavington. Mukuru just next to the middle suburb of South B. Zoning in Nairobi? All the rules were broken. Meles Zenawi was a genius "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:kaka2za wrote:Anyone who has been there knows that:
1.The economy in Addis is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure
2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254-I think food is expensive but alcohol is dirty cheap
3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed-Land belongs to government,they can take your one acre land in Nairobi and compensate you with an acre in Ruai-Shamba ni shamba
4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia 5. Every other Ethiopia is looking for away out of Ethiopia apart from the politicians in the ruling party 6. Their education system is pathetic. 7. Their in country intelligence system is on point. 8. Their women are beautiful but most of them are dirty9.Their is no city planning/zoning Industrial zones exist in the same areas where the wealthy and poor live 10.Addis is a big slum only that the shanties are fenced by glashouses which dot all the major rds in Addis Even Nairobi is one big slum Kawangware exists just next to Lavington. Mukuru just next to the middle suburb of South B. Zoning in Nairobi? All the rules were broken. Meles Zenawi was a genius add: "veery" in both.
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Swenani wrote:kaka2za wrote:Anyone who has been there knows that:
1.The economy in Addis is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure
2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254-I think food is expensive but alcohol is dirty cheap
3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed-Land belongs to government,they can take your one acre land in Nairobi and compensate you with an acre in Ruai-Shamba ni shamba
4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia 5. Every other Ethiopia is looking for away out of Ethiopia apart from the politicians in the ruling party 6. Their education system is pathetic. 7. Their in country intelligence system is on point. 8. Their women are beautiful but most of them are dirty9.Their is no city planning/zoning Industrial zones exist in the same areas where the wealthy and poor live 10.Addis is a big slum only that the shanties are fenced by glashouses which dot all the major rds in Addis believe me if everyone is "beautiful" then the locals who have not seen anyone else don't think they are "beautiful" All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Different regimes, histories, cultures. Even Al Shabaab isnt interested in them. When u make these complaints, whats your point? State it expressly. Vitendawili aachia baba "Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own."
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kaka2za wrote:Anyone who has been there knows that:
1.The economy is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure
2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254
3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed.
4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia Just to add on this.... 5.The population is 90 millions plus 6.Ethiopia Airlines is their national carrier 7.The government focus is now manufacturing and international companies are flocking there due to low cost of power 8. For you to get US dollars from the bank to buy a toyota harrier from Japan, you have to get a letter from your village chief and a host of cumbersome red-tape procedures reminiscent to Baba Moi iron fist days 9. They are slowly liberalizing markets....case in point banking and our very own KCB and Equity will soon be doing business there Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Fyatu wrote:kaka2za wrote:Anyone who has been there knows that:
1.The economy is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure
2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254
3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed.
4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia Just to add on this.... 5.The population is 90 millions plus 6.Ethiopia Airlines is their national carrier 7.The government focus is now manufacturing and international companies are flocking there due to low cost of power- low cost of unreliable power8. For you to get US dollars from the bank to buy a toyota harrier from Japan, you have to get a letter from your village chief and a host of cumbersome red-tape procedures reminiscent to Baba Moi iron fist days 9. They are slowly liberalizing markets....case in point banking and our very own KCB and Equity will soon be doing business there If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:Fyatu wrote:kaka2za wrote:Anyone who has been there knows that:
1.The economy is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure
2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254
3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed.
4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia Just to add on this.... 5.The population is 90 millions plus 6.Ethiopia Airlines is their national carrier 7.The government focus is now manufacturing and international companies are flocking there due to low cost of power- low cost of unreliable power8. For you to get US dollars from the bank to buy a toyota harrier from Japan, you have to get a letter from your village chief and a host of cumbersome red-tape procedures reminiscent to Baba Moi iron fist days 9. They are slowly liberalizing markets....case in point banking and our very own KCB and Equity will soon be doing business there On #7, which are these companies?
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radio wrote:Swenani wrote:Fyatu wrote:kaka2za wrote:Anyone who has been there knows that:
1.The economy is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure
2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254
3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed.
4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia Just to add on this.... 5.The population is 90 millions plus 6.Ethiopia Airlines is their national carrier 7.The government focus is now manufacturing and international companies are flocking there due to low cost of power- low cost of unreliable power8. For you to get US dollars from the bank to buy a toyota harrier from Japan, you have to get a letter from your village chief and a host of cumbersome red-tape procedures reminiscent to Baba Moi iron fist days 9. They are slowly liberalizing markets....case in point banking and our very own KCB and Equity will soon be doing business there On #7, which are these companies? Chinese manufacturers that pay slave wages and don't care about employing child labour.
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chemirocha wrote:radio wrote:Swenani wrote:Fyatu wrote:kaka2za wrote:Anyone who has been there knows that:
1.The economy is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure
2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254
3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed.
4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia Just to add on this.... 5.The population is 90 millions plus 6.Ethiopia Airlines is their national carrier 7.The government focus is now manufacturing and international companies are flocking there due to low cost of power- low cost of unreliable power8. For you to get US dollars from the bank to buy a toyota harrier from Japan, you have to get a letter from your village chief and a host of cumbersome red-tape procedures reminiscent to Baba Moi iron fist days 9. They are slowly liberalizing markets....case in point banking and our very own KCB and Equity will soon be doing business there On #7, which are these companies? Chinese manufacturers that pay slave wages and don't care about employing child labour. Spotting foreign companies is like looking for kaburi la baniani. Except the Chinese and Coca-Cola. The red tape is too prohibitive
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Swenani wrote:kaka2za wrote:Anyone who has been there knows that:
1.The economy in Addis is growing fast due to heavy investment in infrastructure
2.Cost of living is very low compared with+254-I think food is expensive but alcohol is dirty cheap
3.Land is abundant and equitably distributed-Land belongs to government,they can take your one acre land in Nairobi and compensate you with an acre in Ruai-Shamba ni shamba
4.Basic human rights are a luxury esp to Oromia 5. Every other Ethiopia is looking for away out of Ethiopia apart from the politicians in the ruling party 6. Their education system is pathetic. 7. Their in country intelligence system is on point. 8. Their women are beautiful but most of them are dirty9.Their is no city planning/zoning Industrial zones exist in the same areas where the wealthy and poor live 10.Addis is a big slum only that the shanties are fenced by glashouses which dot all the major rds in Addis #8 Applies to most beautiful women even kenyan ones
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