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Swenani wrote:We are not a chattering shop.wacheni kufuata news.Take a tour of Kenya and you will realise that Tz, Ug, Rw and Eth indeed have a long way to go before they overtake us (which will never happen) never say never. countries are like giant ships and their turning is not immediately noticeable. in the 1980s the UK intelligentsia through its leading publications like the economist trashed the chinese model and despised the country's growth. today the UK prime minister goes to china to beg for investment in his country. Katika Jangwa la Jangili ndipo Pwagu hupata Pwaguzi.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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Lolest! wrote:BTW, why are these Ethiopians always fleeing their fast growing country? for such for a better life.....interesting? ironic? one of the things to note is that Ethiopia is ruled with somewhat of an iron fist so 'freedoms' are curtailed Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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Gordon Gekko wrote:I understand that there is a treaty that stops Kenya from exploiting Lake Victoria waters for irrigation etc. I think Ms. Karua tried to get it repealed when she was water minister.
Now is the time for us to also do want we want, given that Egypt is kept busy with their domes. Ethiopia is doing just that. How about we exploit the numerous rivers that drain into this lake for irrigation purposes? Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Rankaz13 wrote:Gordon Gekko wrote:I understand that there is a treaty that stops Kenya from exploiting Lake Victoria waters for irrigation etc. I think Ms. Karua tried to get it repealed when she was water minister.
Now is the time for us to also do want we want, given that Egypt is kept busy with their domes. Ethiopia is doing just that. How about we exploit the numerous rivers that drain into this lake for irrigation purposes? Or the huuuuge underground water we recently recovered in Turkana.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Lolest! wrote:Ole Lenku wrote:Just hit the nail on the head.
1. We have a useless president who is full of grand plans and big talk with nothing to back it up. The list is endless, Huduma centres, Uwezo fund, Laptops for school kids,Nyumba kumi initiative 1 million acres of farm land etc etc big talk with nothing to show in terms of progress
2. Our priorities are in the wrong place.
3. Blaming all our problems on Raila even when he is out of the country. are you sure huduma is not working? My wife has still not got her id card in married name. We have been married 15 years. Huduma my foot! Guy should stick to his whiskey and leave the country alone. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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@kularaha am sorry but dont blame the gov if ur wife doesnt want to get an ID with your name "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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Sisi Huku kupigana juu ya odm and tnu about IEBC . I told someone kenya will be the least developed of East African community .Uganda have oil, tanzania abundant minerals ,sudan oil,ethiopia progressing onwards ,Somalia once peace established it might be the next dubai because of long beaches . Kenya we take pride in chocho media mongering as people are moving forward .1st will end up to be last .
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2008 Posts: 488
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I can't help wondering if all these mega projects make economic sense? Does Ethiopia need all tht power?How abt DRC and their Inga Dam? We too are going nuclear!
Someone across the ocean is selling us the wrong priorities n making money while at it..
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/8/2008 Posts: 288
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Ethiopia is also fighting basic things such as drought.
For those who have travelled outside Addis and probably past Adama towards AWASH region have seen people living in very poor conditions.
Even in Addis the level of un-employment might be higher than in Nairobi.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Ethiopia is building infrastructure that will power their economy in the future. Kenya is busy giving millions of Ksh to clowns like Mutahi Ngunyi. And while we do it, the sycophants are defending this corruption.
Soon Kenyans will be going to Ethiopia to look for jobs as maids and janitors and then complain eti Ethiopians are treating them badly.
This is where our tribal politics gets us.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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I would rather only those who have lived or had an extended visit to Ethiopia to comment on this thread. But as that is unlikely to happen, I hope those who have not take advise from those who have been there. Word,, Ethiopia is still a sh*t hole, picture Kenya in the 90's under Mo1, nuff said. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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gk wrote:I can't help wondering if all these mega projects make economic sense? Does Ethiopia need all tht power?How abt DRC and their Inga Dam? We too are going nuclear!
Someone across the ocean is selling us the wrong priorities n making money while at it.. I will give you just one example, then you go ahead and figure out the rest. Everything in the world is going digital, the way you take your cab(uber) the way you communicate, the way you bank, the way you entertain yourself, soon it will be the way you drive, the way you secure yourself etc. That means, there will be so much data out there that will need to be stored in data centers. Facebook server farms used 678 million kilowatt hours (kWh) of electricity in 2012, up from 509 million kWh in 2011. The newest datacenter will be powered by a 200MW wind farm. Google’s data centers consume 260MW. In comparison. Kenya generates 630 million kWh every month, one Google data center would take up all the power generated at Olkaria 4. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 281
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murchr wrote:@kularaha am sorry but dont blame the gov if ur wife doesnt want to get an ID with your name @kularaha look for the excuse elsewhere. Uhuru has not been president for the 15 years …Kama bibi hataki hiyo jina hataki!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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murchr wrote:gk wrote:I can't help wondering if all these mega projects make economic sense? Does Ethiopia need all tht power?How abt DRC and their Inga Dam? We too are going nuclear!
Someone across the ocean is selling us the wrong priorities n making money while at it.. I will give you just one example, then you go ahead and figure out the rest. Everything in the world is going digital, the way you take your cab(uber) the way you communicate, the way you bank, the way you entertain yourself, soon it will be the way you drive, the way you secure yourself etc. That means, there will be so much data out there that will need to be stored in data centers. Facebook server farms used 678 million kilowatt hours (kWh) of electricity in 2012, up from 509 million kWh in 2011. The newest datacenter will be powered by a 200MW wind farm. Google’s data centers consume 260MW. In comparison. Kenya generates 630 million kWh every month, one Google data center would take up all the power generated at Olkaria 4. gk's questions are very valid, we should not enter into mega projects for the sake of it. Example, the govt was talking of 5,000 MW yet as it stands now, we have slighlty over 2,000 MW yet peak demand is less than 70%. So do we really need another 5,000MW of idle capacity? @Muchr, your reference to google and facebook power needs have ignored scale. Remember that this 2 organisations are each larger than the entire Kenya economy, secondly, their resource needs consider the entire world of 7B people rather than ours which only consider an effective consuming population of less than 40M - 50M. Not like for like,,eh "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Long interesting article!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:murchr wrote:gk wrote:I can't help wondering if all these mega projects make economic sense? Does Ethiopia need all tht power?How abt DRC and their Inga Dam? We too are going nuclear!
Someone across the ocean is selling us the wrong priorities n making money while at it.. I will give you just one example, then you go ahead and figure out the rest. Everything in the world is going digital, the way you take your cab(uber) the way you communicate, the way you bank, the way you entertain yourself, soon it will be the way you drive, the way you secure yourself etc. That means, there will be so much data out there that will need to be stored in data centers. Facebook server farms used 678 million kilowatt hours (kWh) of electricity in 2012, up from 509 million kWh in 2011. The newest datacenter will be powered by a 200MW wind farm. Google’s data centers consume 260MW. In comparison. Kenya generates 630 million kWh every month, one Google data center would take up all the power generated at Olkaria 4. gk's questions are very valid, we should not enter into mega projects for the sake of it. Example, the govt was talking of 5,000 MW yet as it stands now, we have slighlty over 2,000 MW yet peak demand is less than 70%. So do we really need another 5,000MW of idle capacity? @Muchr, your reference to google and facebook power needs have ignored scale. Remember that this 2 organisations are each larger than the entire Kenya economy, secondly, their resource needs consider the entire world of 7B people rather than ours which only consider an effective consuming population of less than 40M - 50M. Not like for like,,eh Remember those 2 organizations are not even 20 years old, yet they have gained so much capacity in scale. Thats how fast the world has gone digital, and there's more to come. If Facebook or google decided its time to host a data center in Africa, do you think they would consider Kenya? Cloud computing is the future. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:No nation in the history of the world has successfully developed economically while under democratic rule. I believe that Kenya is taking the well trodden path of liberalization without restraint which characterized much of 1990's former soviet bloc states (not development) but integration in to European markets without the development of and support for home grown industry. Which led those countries to focus mostly on consumption of foreign produced goods while the profits those companies made were expatriated to foreign shareholders in the form of dividends (not a viable development path). Ethiopia on the other hand is following the more successful statist model like South Korea, Japan, and more recently China have pursued to great effect. Of course I'm not at all surprised that the Economist magazine would fall on the side of established Western capital interests. Why increase the competition right? From the comments in that article
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Lolest! wrote:Quote:No nation in the history of the world has successfully developed economically while under democratic rule. I believe that Kenya is taking the well trodden path of liberalization without restraint which characterized much of 1990's former soviet bloc states (not development) but integration in to European markets without the development of and support for home grown industry. Which led those countries to focus mostly on consumption of foreign produced goods while the profits those companies made were expatriated to foreign shareholders in the form of dividends (not a viable development path). Ethiopia on the other hand is following the more successful statist model like South Korea, Japan, and more recently China have pursued to great effect. Of course I'm not at all surprised that the Economist magazine would fall on the side of established Western capital interests. Why increase the competition right? From the comments in that article Silly comment, I could argue that Germany, US, Canada, UK, Israel, Japan, Australia,South Korea, India, France, Italy, Norway, Finland, have done ok under democracy. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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murchr wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:murchr wrote:gk wrote:I can't help wondering if all these mega projects make economic sense? Does Ethiopia need all tht power?How abt DRC and their Inga Dam? We too are going nuclear!
Someone across the ocean is selling us the wrong priorities n making money while at it.. I will give you just one example, then you go ahead and figure out the rest. Everything in the world is going digital, the way you take your cab(uber) the way you communicate, the way you bank, the way you entertain yourself, soon it will be the way you drive, the way you secure yourself etc. That means, there will be so much data out there that will need to be stored in data centers. Facebook server farms used 678 million kilowatt hours (kWh) of electricity in 2012, up from 509 million kWh in 2011. The newest datacenter will be powered by a 200MW wind farm. Google’s data centers consume 260MW. In comparison. Kenya generates 630 million kWh every month, one Google data center would take up all the power generated at Olkaria 4. gk's questions are very valid, we should not enter into mega projects for the sake of it. Example, the govt was talking of 5,000 MW yet as it stands now, we have slighlty over 2,000 MW yet peak demand is less than 70%. So do we really need another 5,000MW of idle capacity? @Muchr, your reference to google and facebook power needs have ignored scale. Remember that this 2 organisations are each larger than the entire Kenya economy, secondly, their resource needs consider the entire world of 7B people rather than ours which only consider an effective consuming population of less than 40M - 50M. Not like for like,,eh Remember those 2 organizations are not even 20 years old, yet they have gained so much capacity in scale. Thats how fast the world has gone digital, and there's more to come. If Facebook or google decided its time to host a data center in Africa, do you think they would consider Kenya? Cloud computing is the future. Their consideration when looking for locations would only be human capacity, so yes, they would certainly consider Kenya as digitally, we are way ahead of our African peers. They would have no problems building their own power plants just the way they are doing in the US. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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