Hey, I do agree that the post was propaganda-ish. I just pasted it from something I got. Just pick what you may from it....

UPDATE:
On second thought, I deleted the post I pasted.. Apologies for that one! I was carried away in the moment...

Just been catching up on this debate. Perhaps we should advance arguments on why YES and why NO, instead of propaganda and name calling ? :) and a distinct lack of tolerance for divergent views in some cases.

I'm also sure there's quite a number of other things that are good and others that are bad. I for one like the recall MP bit :) though implementation is another thing all together since I believe some laws need to be enacted.

On Abortion

Quoting Chapter 2 - 26 (page 26 in the PDF)

Abortion is not permitted unless, in the opinion of a trained health
professional, there is need for emergency treatment, or the life or health of
the mother is in danger, or if permitted by any other written law.

-> a couple of loop holes to be exploited perhaps? I'm not qualified enough to pick them out, but trained health care professional can be any number of people - a doctor, nurse, lab assistant, lab tech - too wide perhaps?

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On the Kadhi Courts

I just come across some useful article.

All previous versions of the Draft Constitution have consistently stated categorically that:

“State and religion will be separate, there will be no state religion and that all religions will be treated equally." These provisions have now been removed, leaving only that "There Will Be No State Religion."

(From: Page 16 in the PDF. Chap 2 - 8 )

See post #1 on this thread elsewhere on wazua for the entire article.

At least this post by Pete Ondeng & Peter Waiyaki is sober in its nature (as opposed to one rather vitrolic one that's been doing the rounds lately).

There's also this presentation on Youtube of the same albeit in summary form.

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Regarding this whole business.

Pegging our hopes and dreams on it as a nation feels and sounds eerily like 2002 euphoria all over again. I stand to be corrected but I think there will be a sense of anticlimax after all this exercise is completed.

The real work is in the implementation, the doing. Kenyans are better talkers than doers (IMHO) unfortunately.

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I'm not decided on anything yet but will pray that I know what to do when the time comes.

You can download the PDF of the CoE draft for yourself from nation.co.ke

It was intresting to watch Karua all over Ruto on KTN last night.The Eldoret north mp was a big player at the Naivasha PSC retreat and agreed on many of the clauses he is trying to fight in the draft constitution.Like Martha asked Bill what has changed between Naivasha and now.
On the abortion clause that has church 'leaders' running wild,a similar provision is in the current penal code.

The catholic church did not oppose the constitution the last time despite the Kadhis court being in it!! After 4 days of prayers they decide to cast the 4-5 or 10 stone against their muslim brother.
I expected more from the Catholic church!!
From the Former(yeah) Mp wanjiru and other prosperity gospel "forget what jesus said about turn your cheek and live a simple life" preachers, well they are power hungry and greedy. Their coffers will increase with more media coverage. I never expect much from them!

did i hear /see right?
..Fundah says what if ?????what if?????
.....does it mean you are voting yes hoping and crossing your fingers that it works right?
..to borrow a leaf,what if doesnt work out the way you thought or have been told?.....will you say at least we tried? or it might be too late to say so ?
....lets not create deadlines in our minds as to when we need the new constitution.we all need one!
Voting NO doesnt mean you dont need a new one,it simply means you dont like the one that has been presented, otherwise why vote?
....staying at home means you dont care but because we care,we will go and vote

@kadonye, its a poor attempt to bully opinions contrary to theirs. ati Raila jana was asking if Church members were consulted. Religion is not a DEMOCRACY!!!

Masukuma..

The question is..is/did the church leadership consulting the 'sheep' or since they figured out theyve been too ignored decided to seat go through the draft, with their own lawyers who have their fixed interpretations... then decide to ram it down out throats..

why should i read it and see nothing wrong and then for my spiritual father or leader to read the same and advice me otherwise..simply because he'll threaten me with plagues and such like..

unless he has a direct line from above, diff from mine... or knows something i dont..i wont allow it!!!

Brewer

They are men.. and have no faith in mortal men..
since that curtain was split into two 2000yrs ago.. we can as well pop in and present our queries and petitions..

Im yet to get a stronger conviction on voting otherwise..
Rt.. ArchBishop Gitari, has a different view which is similar to mine..

The SDA's and JW's are silent...WHY???

@poundfoolish, matters of abortion and propagation of the islamic agenda via a constitution is not a church project like location of a church building. do you think that decision to oppose the draft was taken lightly?
I don't know what the CoE was thinking ati Kadhi's courts are not contentious!! how come we are having such passionate discussions over this matter? 117 posts of wazua and daily coverage. Or did the meaning of contentious change?

http://www.nation.co.ke/...t/-/6hijau/-/index.html


and followers feelings on Church leadership ...

http://www.nation.co.ke/...40/-/3w8vl8/-/index.html