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Rank: Member Joined: 2/28/2014 Posts: 188 Location: Nairobi
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enyands wrote:Realcement wrote:
Watch out for cheaper Kengen post rights , the little positive gyration is temporary it will fizzle out .
Two good reasons :-
(i) Effect Of over dilution
(ii) 2017 is election year , you already see the signal on stocks and the polity ?
Post 2017 Kengen will be superb.
You will get Kengen 5 bob or below in the near term .
"""Investors willing to participate in the rights issue but who are not shareholders can buy rights of owners who are not willing to exercise their option at the securities exchange. Non-shareholders also have an option of buying the shares that will not be taken up at the end of the rights issue period through what is known as a rump but in minimum blocks of 100,000 shares. Existing shareholders who do not participate in the offer will have their ownership diluted.""" How will you expect me to buy 100,000 shares minimum at ksh650,000 .Greed at most high level . Let even the ramp to die .I ain't paying minimum of 650,000. There are other better rewarding shares than this . With 650k I can buy kcb or even coop which is discounted and get good dividends than lock myself in kengen which has high political influence and don't know the future .If it won't all be taken up then I'll feel sorry for these guys . Who advises them anyway? 650,000 shillings minimum?? What harm will it do me to wait till when it's over on the 10/06/2016 and wait to buy my 1,000 at ksh6,500? Why should I hurry now and take a loan from shylock of 650,000 to buy ramp?? This is just common sense. I'll wait for it post ramp.i might get it cheaper and even minimum of 100 shares if I go by Realcement . That stage is geared for high net worth individuals and institutional investors  Offering my personal finance knowledge for free
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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nashx wrote:enyands wrote:Realcement wrote:
Watch out for cheaper Kengen post rights , the little positive gyration is temporary it will fizzle out .
Two good reasons :-
(i) Effect Of over dilution
(ii) 2017 is election year , you already see the signal on stocks and the polity ?
Post 2017 Kengen will be superb.
You will get Kengen 5 bob or below in the near term .
"""Investors willing to participate in the rights issue but who are not shareholders can buy rights of owners who are not willing to exercise their option at the securities exchange. Non-shareholders also have an option of buying the shares that will not be taken up at the end of the rights issue period through what is known as a rump but in minimum blocks of 100,000 shares. Existing shareholders who do not participate in the offer will have their ownership diluted.""" How will you expect me to buy 100,000 shares minimum at ksh650,000 .Greed at most high level . Let even the ramp to die .I ain't paying minimum of 650,000. There are other better rewarding shares than this . With 650k I can buy kcb or even coop which is discounted and get good dividends than lock myself in kengen which has high political influence and don't know the future .If it won't all be taken up then I'll feel sorry for these guys . Who advises them anyway? 650,000 shillings minimum?? What harm will it do me to wait till when it's over on the 10/06/2016 and wait to buy my 1,000 at ksh6,500? Why should I hurry now and take a loan from shylock of 650,000 to buy ramp?? This is just common sense. I'll wait for it post ramp.i might get it cheaper and even minimum of 100 shares if I go by Realcement . That stage is geared for high net worth individuals and institutional investors Hii ni masarau
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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In this country where monkeys and other primates are free to roam around, this is not shocking nor unexpected. However this underlies the importance of having multiple power sources for easy interchangeability. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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murchr wrote:In this country where monkeys and other primates are free to roam around, this is not shocking nor unexpected. However this underlies the importance of having multiple power sources for easy interchangeability. Come up with policies where whoever installs solar panels in their houses gets incentives and credits from the government and the same govt can buy back excess power you are producing during the day when at work to power industries. If every houses in Kenya can do that then expect no over reliance of hydro . Otherwise née innovations needed. People use kplc as a political campaign tool rather than an empowering tool.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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@murchr,VituVingiSana The problem we now have is lack of high voltage transmission lines from Olkaria geothermal plants to Nairobi which would have acted as backup when the line from eastern hydro power stations develops a problem. Even high voltage line from Olkaria to western kenya hakuna Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/21/2014 Posts: 100 Location: Ghana
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****Just to clarify****
Kengen is a good long term counter if they translate their plans to action.
My reservation of their on going rights is the price at this time. 6.55 bob for 2:1 dilution is TOO HIGH.
I will get it cheaper weeks or months after rights after dilution (Post July 10, 2016).
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/31/2007 Posts: 303
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enyands wrote:Realcement wrote:
Watch out for cheaper Kengen post rights , the little positive gyration is temporary it will fizzle out .
Two good reasons :-
(i) Effect Of over dilution
(ii) 2017 is election year , you already see the signal on stocks and the polity ?
Post 2017 Kengen will be superb.
You will get Kengen 5 bob or below in the near term .
"""Investors willing to participate in the rights issue but who are not shareholders can buy rights of owners who are not willing to exercise their option at the securities exchange. Non-shareholders also have an option of buying the shares that will not be taken up at the end of the rights issue period through what is known as a rump but in minimum blocks of 100,000 shares. Existing shareholders who do not participate in the offer will have their ownership diluted.""" How will you expect me to buy 100,000 shares minimum at ksh650,000 .Greed at most high level . Let even the ramp to die .I ain't paying minimum of 650,000. There are other better rewarding shares than this . With 650k I can buy kcb or even coop which is discounted and get good dividends than lock myself in kengen which has high political influence and don't know the future .If it won't all be taken up then I'll feel sorry for these guys . Who advises them anyway? 650,000 shillings minimum?? What harm will it do me to wait till when it's over on the 10/06/2016 and wait to buy my 1,000 at ksh6,500? Why should I hurry now and take a loan from shylock of 650,000 to buy ramp?? This is just common sense. I'll wait for it post ramp.i might get it cheaper and even minimum of 100 shares if I go by Realcement . They didn't have you in mind when they came up with this..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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moneydust wrote:enyands wrote:Realcement wrote:
Watch out for cheaper Kengen post rights , the little positive gyration is temporary it will fizzle out .
Two good reasons :-
(i) Effect Of over dilution
(ii) 2017 is election year , you already see the signal on stocks and the polity ?
Post 2017 Kengen will be superb.
You will get Kengen 5 bob or below in the near term .
"""Investors willing to participate in the rights issue but who are not shareholders can buy rights of owners who are not willing to exercise their option at the securities exchange. Non-shareholders also have an option of buying the shares that will not be taken up at the end of the rights issue period through what is known as a rump but in minimum blocks of 100,000 shares. Existing shareholders who do not participate in the offer will have their ownership diluted.""" How will you expect me to buy 100,000 shares minimum at ksh650,000 .Greed at most high level . Let even the ramp to die .I ain't paying minimum of 650,000. There are other better rewarding shares than this . With 650k I can buy kcb or even coop which is discounted and get good dividends than lock myself in kengen which has high political influence and don't know the future .If it won't all be taken up then I'll feel sorry for these guys . Who advises them anyway? 650,000 shillings minimum?? What harm will it do me to wait till when it's over on the 10/06/2016 and wait to buy my 1,000 at ksh6,500? Why should I hurry now and take a loan from shylock of 650,000 to buy ramp?? This is just common sense. I'll wait for it post ramp.i might get it cheaper and even minimum of 100 shares if I go by Realcement . They didn't have you in mind when they came up with this.. They didn't have shareholders in mind. Even the 2:1 rights they didn't have shareholders in mind The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/21/2014 Posts: 100 Location: Ghana
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Realcement wrote:
****Just to clarify****
Kengen is a good long term counter if they translate their plans to action.
My reservation of their on going rights is the price at this time. 6.55 bob for 2:1 dilution is TOO HIGH.
I will get it cheaper weeks or months after rights after dilution (Post July 10, 2016).
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/21/2014 Posts: 100 Location: Ghana
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Realcement wrote:
****Just to clarify****
Kengen is a good long term counter if they translate their plans to action.
My reservation of their on going rights is the price at this time. 6.55 bob for 2:1 dilution is TOO HIGH.
I will get it cheaper weeks or months after rights after dilution (Post July 10, 2016).
I look forward to buying KENGEN between 4 to 5 bob in the months ahead before it grows post 2017 to double digit.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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Realcement wrote:Realcement wrote:
****Just to clarify****
Kengen is a good long term counter if they translate their plans to action.
My reservation of their on going rights is the price at this time. 6.55 bob for 2:1 dilution is TOO HIGH.
I will get it cheaper weeks or months after rights after dilution (Post July 10, 2016).
I look forward to buying KENGEN between 4 to 5 bob in the months ahead before it grows post 2017 to double digit. It will sink to 2/- Safaricom style 6 years ago! John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/10/2014 Posts: 969 Location: Kenya
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Ericsson wrote:@murchr,VituVingiSana
The problem we now have is lack of high voltage transmission lines from Olkaria geothermal plants to Nairobi which would have acted as backup when the line from eastern hydro power stations develops a problem.
Even high voltage line from Olkaria to western kenya hakuna Where does this Olkaria power go?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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@watesh The power that the medium voltage lines are able to carry is the one that is being consumed hence the generation plants are not being put into full mode That's why we still have the thermal plants i.e IPPs still running. Once the Olkaria-Suswa-Isinya-Nairobi Embakasi 400KV and Rabai-Embakasi 400KV double circuit lines are complete then the Olkaria geothermal plants can now start running into full mode Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 254
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mthaka wrote:“We recommend shareholders to take up their rights and invest more in KenGen due to the earnings growth and upside potential the company has. Based on our target price of 15.10, the stock has an upside potential of over 100 per cent,” AIB Capital said. The signals emanating from the management indicate they are likely to maintain a dividend payout ratio. Sentiment aside, I believe the KenGen rights issue presents an attractive investment opportunity.AIB again at it
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/1/2010 Posts: 511 Location: kandara, Murang'a
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Took up my rights today. Hopefully when am old will be considered genius Foresight..
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/31/2007 Posts: 303
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gatoho wrote:Took up my rights today. Hopefully when am old will be considered genius I have a feeling you won't regret this..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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According to estimates of the 2016/2017 by national treasury KENGEN is anticipated to make a net profit of ksh.7.438bn after corporate tax and finance cost.Profit before tax and finance cost at ksh.14.857bn Dividend will fall in the range of ksh.0.30-0.40 per share. So for the price to get to ksh.3 will be a hard nut even on a bear run. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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2017/2018 Profit before tax at ksh.16.393bn and after tax and finance cost at ksh.8.8bn. Those are projections/guidance and actual figures may be higher Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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