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Briatm, Britam, Britam sounds like sweet candy!
kimanimsc
#661 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:33:54 PM
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researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Hehhehheeee...just went to my broker... so many sell orders @ 16.50 to 16.80 Kes but no buyers bring the price down. These re guys who have held for dividend and want to cash on capital gains since they entered at 11-13 Kes levels.
My broker gave a buy order but pesa ungiiDrool Drool

no cause for alarm,stocks move up and down .buyers will surface and its understood after the rally,iam also praying and salivating for below 11



Wazuans ni wanafiki . Nikiongea mwanikemea; ikitimia you start dancing my tunes! Hamueleweki jameni.


I still disagree with you on this stock. It will still climb. Book closure is 9 June. Will drop slightly after that and then settle into a slow and steady climb toward the HY results. Mark my words.



Ndume amechoka.


Just a little tired. Catching his breath. Then running. smile


Zero demand
Spikes
#662 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:37:30 PM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
kimanimsc wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Hehhehheeee...just went to my broker... so many sell orders @ 16.50 to 16.80 Kes but no buyers bring the price down. These re guys who have held for dividend and want to cash on capital gains since they entered at 11-13 Kes levels.
My broker gave a buy order but pesa ungiiDrool Drool

no cause for alarm,stocks move up and down .buyers will surface and its understood after the rally,iam also praying and salivating for below 11



Wazuans ni wanafiki . Nikiongea mwanikemea; ikitimia you start dancing my tunes! Hamueleweki jameni.


I still disagree with you on this stock. It will still climb. Book closure is 9 June. Will drop slightly after that and then settle into a slow and steady climb toward the HY results. Mark my words.



Ndume amechoka.


Just a little tired. Catching his breath. Then running. smile


Zero demand



@Researchfirst have you bailed out?
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
researchfirst
#663 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:50:48 PM
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Joined: 2/24/2015
Posts: 154
Location: Nairobi
Spikes wrote:
kimanimsc wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Hehhehheeee...just went to my broker... so many sell orders @ 16.50 to 16.80 Kes but no buyers bring the price down. These re guys who have held for dividend and want to cash on capital gains since they entered at 11-13 Kes levels.
My broker gave a buy order but pesa ungiiDrool Drool

no cause for alarm,stocks move up and down .buyers will surface and its understood after the rally,iam also praying and salivating for below 11



Wazuans ni wanafiki . Nikiongea mwanikemea; ikitimia you start dancing my tunes! Hamueleweki jameni.


I still disagree with you on this stock. It will still climb. Book closure is 9 June. Will drop slightly after that and then settle into a slow and steady climb toward the HY results. Mark my words.



Ndume amechoka.


Just a little tired. Catching his breath. Then running. smile


Zero demand



@Researchfirst have you bailed out?


No. Not worried about a dip. My one year target is 18.40 and I am fully confident I will hit it. Promise you I will eat my words humbly if I am wrong, but I really do not think I will be. smile
researchfirst
#664 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 3:03:05 PM
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Joined: 2/24/2015
Posts: 154
Location: Nairobi
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
kimanimsc wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Hehhehheeee...just went to my broker... so many sell orders @ 16.50 to 16.80 Kes but no buyers bring the price down. These re guys who have held for dividend and want to cash on capital gains since they entered at 11-13 Kes levels.
My broker gave a buy order but pesa ungiiDrool Drool

no cause for alarm,stocks move up and down .buyers will surface and its understood after the rally,iam also praying and salivating for below 11



Wazuans ni wanafiki . Nikiongea mwanikemea; ikitimia you start dancing my tunes! Hamueleweki jameni.


I still disagree with you on this stock. It will still climb. Book closure is 9 June. Will drop slightly after that and then settle into a slow and steady climb toward the HY results. Mark my words.



Ndume amechoka.


Just a little tired. Catching his breath. Then running. smile


Zero demand



@Researchfirst have you bailed out?


No. Not worried about a dip. My one year target is 18.40 and I am fully confident I will hit it. Promise you I will eat my words humbly if I am wrong, but I really do not think I will be. smile


Further to my above. Closed today at VWAP of 15.43. The stock was overheating these past few days. No reason to panic over a little downshift. Does nothing to change my views on the counter. Some people taking profit after a hell of a rally. Fine. Others panicking. Also fine. I will still enjoy the rest of my ride. smile
Spikes
#665 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 3:06:57 PM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
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researchfirst wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
kimanimsc wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Hehhehheeee...just went to my broker... so many sell orders @ 16.50 to 16.80 Kes but no buyers bring the price down. These re guys who have held for dividend and want to cash on capital gains since they entered at 11-13 Kes levels.
My broker gave a buy order but pesa ungiiDrool Drool

no cause for alarm,stocks move up and down .buyers will surface and its understood after the rally,iam also praying and salivating for below 11



Wazuans ni wanafiki . Nikiongea mwanikemea; ikitimia you start dancing my tunes! Hamueleweki jameni.


I still disagree with you on this stock. It will still climb. Book closure is 9 June. Will drop slightly after that and then settle into a slow and steady climb toward the HY results. Mark my words.



Ndume amechoka.


Just a little tired. Catching his breath. Then running. smile


Zero demand



@Researchfirst have you bailed out?


No. Not worried about a dip. My one year target is 18.40 and I am fully confident I will hit it. Promise you I will eat my words humbly if I am wrong, but I really do not think I will be. smile


Further to my above. Closed today at VWAP of 15.43. The stock was overheating these past few days. No reason to panic over a little downshift. Does nothing to change my views on the counter. Some people taking profit after a hell of a rally. Fine. Others panicking. Also fine. I will still enjoy the rest of my ride. smile



Bail out and join @hisah at 6/- after proper tanking.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
researchfirst
#666 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 3:13:59 PM
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Joined: 2/24/2015
Posts: 154
Location: Nairobi
Spikes wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
kimanimsc wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Hehhehheeee...just went to my broker... so many sell orders @ 16.50 to 16.80 Kes but no buyers bring the price down. These re guys who have held for dividend and want to cash on capital gains since they entered at 11-13 Kes levels.
My broker gave a buy order but pesa ungiiDrool Drool

no cause for alarm,stocks move up and down .buyers will surface and its understood after the rally,iam also praying and salivating for below 11



Wazuans ni wanafiki . Nikiongea mwanikemea; ikitimia you start dancing my tunes! Hamueleweki jameni.


I still disagree with you on this stock. It will still climb. Book closure is 9 June. Will drop slightly after that and then settle into a slow and steady climb toward the HY results. Mark my words.



Ndume amechoka.


Just a little tired. Catching his breath. Then running. smile


Zero demand



@Researchfirst have you bailed out?


No. Not worried about a dip. My one year target is 18.40 and I am fully confident I will hit it. Promise you I will eat my words humbly if I am wrong, but I really do not think I will be. smile


Further to my above. Closed today at VWAP of 15.43. The stock was overheating these past few days. No reason to panic over a little downshift. Does nothing to change my views on the counter. Some people taking profit after a hell of a rally. Fine. Others panicking. Also fine. I will still enjoy the rest of my ride. smile



Bail out and join @hisah at 6/- after proper tanking.


No thanks. I'll take my chances! Confident on this one.
Spikes
#667 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 3:16:04 PM
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researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
PKoli wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Spikes wrote:
hisah wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
hisah wrote:
Approaching 61.8% fibo level (16.10 - 16.15). At this level bulls will find it hard to head higher as a cluster of heavy resistance is present.

Liar
Britam I have been saying was brought to its knees not by BEARs but by technical hitch that assumed with similar Director ship of Bramer and Britam some threads could be the same. But it was found wrong when Britam heavy weights refused to hinder Mauritian Govt put its neck in their investments. Average price where Britam can stop is 29 within the year and early 2017 before FY2016 News.smile

Laughing out loudly




Resistance has begun developing. Pull the trigger. You have reaped more than enough in a bear market.


d'oh!
@Spikes, you are a good BEAR Worshiper and need to walk to Hawaii to do that there.
Shame on you
Seems we do not know which partner came in and bought the Mauritian Holding in Britam. It could be Helios or Renaissance Capital!!!smile


Was waiting for 20 but developed cold feet at 16. Not complaining though




Give thanks brother. As the day progresses you will see budding big boys showing up with huge volumes attempting to exit.


Wrong again.



Jifundishe kuzikisha wahenga wakuu!!!Laughing out loudly
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
researchfirst
#668 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 3:19:51 PM
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Joined: 2/24/2015
Posts: 154
Location: Nairobi
Spikes wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
PKoli wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Spikes wrote:
hisah wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
hisah wrote:
Approaching 61.8% fibo level (16.10 - 16.15). At this level bulls will find it hard to head higher as a cluster of heavy resistance is present.

Liar
Britam I have been saying was brought to its knees not by BEARs but by technical hitch that assumed with similar Director ship of Bramer and Britam some threads could be the same. But it was found wrong when Britam heavy weights refused to hinder Mauritian Govt put its neck in their investments. Average price where Britam can stop is 29 within the year and early 2017 before FY2016 News.smile

Laughing out loudly




Resistance has begun developing. Pull the trigger. You have reaped more than enough in a bear market.


d'oh!
@Spikes, you are a good BEAR Worshiper and need to walk to Hawaii to do that there.
Shame on you
Seems we do not know which partner came in and bought the Mauritian Holding in Britam. It could be Helios or Renaissance Capital!!!smile


Was waiting for 20 but developed cold feet at 16. Not complaining though




Give thanks brother. As the day progresses you will see budding big boys showing up with huge volumes attempting to exit.


Wrong again.



Jifundishe kuzikisha wahenga wakuu!!!Laughing out loudly


Broken clock is right twice a day!
hisah
#669 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 9:01:39 PM
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Has this golden handcuff and kcb topped the market. We will know in a few weeks time...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Othelo
#670 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 12:03:17 PM
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Going back to 10 bob smile
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
Spikes
#671 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 12:16:59 PM
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Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
researchfirst
#672 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 1:29:01 PM
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Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.
Spikes
#673 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 3:34:56 PM
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researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.

John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Spikes
#674 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 3:37:23 PM
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researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.

John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Spikes
#675 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 3:46:43 PM
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researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.



The demand you saw today was from the same speculators whom sold at 16 plus. Due to excitement of huge capital gains they have opportunely ganged up to take positions again. But here there is caution: that demand will dry up faster than they witness a rally again. Downward journey continues. Listen to wahenga wakuu!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
mlennyma
#676 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 4:13:09 PM
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Spikes wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.



The demand you saw today was from the same speculators whom sold at 16 plus. Due to excitement of huge capital gains they have opportunely ganged up to take positions again. But here there is caution: that demand will dry up faster than they witness a rally again. Downward journey continues. Listen to wahenga wakuu!

the downslide seems exhausted
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
murchr
#677 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 4:27:23 PM
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researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.



Care to explain that?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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whiteowl
#678 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 5:05:54 PM
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researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this.



I do care and so do the current and prospective investors of this stock.The Rawat saga is the reason I dumped this stock most of it at 30 and the last batch at 22.Britam is a publicly traded company and unless the definition of "publicly traded" has changed there shouldn't be deals that are or appear to be shady especially for such a substantial stake. The shareholders by now should be in the know. @researchfirst if you're a current shareholder,you should ask yourself what else they're hiding.I cut ties the moment I stopped trusting the management.
researchfirst
#679 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 5:11:23 PM
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murchr wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.



Care to explain that?


The whole market tanked in 2015, but Britam's particularly massive plunge was caused by the market's reaction to an external event that had no effect on the company's business or future prospects (i.e. a major shareholder's activities outside the company). In my opinion, the market's reaction to something immaterial created a mispricing.

The rules and principles of accounting further exacerbated this mispricing. Conservatism is an accounting convention which requires an immediate recognition of losses (e.g., impairment charges) but delayed recognition of profits; losses are often recognised when anticipated, while profits are recognised when earned.

In Britam's case, the fair value investment losses reported are misleading. They were not paper losses attributable to bad management of an investment portfolio, they were primarily attributable to two strategic investments (i.e. Equity and HF). There are a lot of reasons why these two relationships, regardless of short term price movements, are good for the future earning potential of the company. Even setting that aside, the management has said they recognise their over exposure to listed equities and have said they are diversifying their portfolio. Good.

So that's the first bit. The second bit is that Britam's IT investment over the past few years (if the annual reports and investor briefings are to be believed) have been massive and directed specifically at making their core business more efficient and, therefore, profitable. It appears to be working. The company's core business looked good in the latest numbers. You couple that with their expansion across the region and into Southern Africa (e.g. Malawi) and things really start looking good. Just look at the numbers.

Finally, Britam is too small to attract any real overseas institutional investor interest so price is more subject to the moods, whims, and speculation of little guys who get overexcited and then panic without doing any analysis. In the end, I think Britam is a very good investment. But if you are looking to jump in and jump out, timing the market perfectly, good luck to you! It's not for me. I am holding this stock until it become overvalued which, given current numbers, is a very long way off.
researchfirst
#680 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 5:19:28 PM
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whiteowl wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this.



I do care and so do the current and prospective investors of this stock.The Rawat saga is the reason I dumped this stock most of it at 30 and the last batch at 22.Britam is a publicly traded company and unless the definition of "publicly traded" has changed there shouldn't be deals that are or appear to be shady especially for such a substantial stake. The shareholders by now should be in the know. @researchfirst if you're a current shareholder,you should ask yourself what else they're hiding.I cut ties the moment I stopped trusting the management.


@whiteowl. I understand your concern, I just do not share it completely. I agree that not communicating better on this was/is a bad idea. I do not like uncertainty and unknowns and this thing created both. That said, if I did not invest in any company that treated minority shareholders as an afterthought, I would not be invested in very many companies. In the end, it was my valuation of the discounted future cash flows of the company that made me an investor at the price at which I invested.
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