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enyands
#41 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 5:44:57 PM
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murchr wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
murchr wrote:
What motivates them on Longhorn?

Laughing out loudly Education . Education is a foundation of all Generations who need books. They are also venturing into international schools.smile



Books will in the very near future be digital. Is Longhorn moving towards digital content? I know they have a distribution agreement with eKitabu

Now that tablets are being launched in class one . It's a matter of time before they make it digital on those tablets
nakujua
#42 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 7:14:08 PM
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enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
murchr wrote:
What motivates them on Longhorn?

Laughing out loudly Education . Education is a foundation of all Generations who need books. They are also venturing into international schools.smile



Books will in the very near future be digital. Is Longhorn moving towards digital content? I know they have a distribution agreement with eKitabu

Now that tablets are being launched in class one . It's a matter of time before they make it digital on those tablets

The book publishing industry in the country is an interesting one especially the school text book guys - I remember begging those guys to give us covers in soft and a soft copy of the price list so that we cold sell the same online and it was nearly impossible.
On the subject matter, I don't think digital text books will be common place anytime soon - it will be interesting on how kie makes better use of the new platform.
murchr
#43 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 7:22:38 PM
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nakujua wrote:
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
murchr wrote:
What motivates them on Longhorn?

Laughing out loudly Education . Education is a foundation of all Generations who need books. They are also venturing into international schools.smile



Books will in the very near future be digital. Is Longhorn moving towards digital content? I know they have a distribution agreement with eKitabu

Now that tablets are being launched in class one . It's a matter of time before they make it digital on those tablets

The book publishing industry in the country is an interesting one especially the school text book guys - I remember begging those guys to give us covers in soft and a soft copy of the price list so that we cold sell the same online and it was nearly impossible.
On the subject matter, I don't think digital text books will be common place anytime soon - it will be interesting on how kie makes better use of the new platform.


Matiang'i has been complaining that the GOK has been spending alot of money on textbooks that they are not seeing in class rooms. (Established a problem)



What do you think Matiang'i would do to solve this?

1.

2.

How long has it taken to digitize std 1 content?? Lets watch
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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nakujua
#44 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:23:27 PM
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murchr wrote:
nakujua wrote:
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
murchr wrote:
What motivates them on Longhorn?

Laughing out loudly Education . Education is a foundation of all Generations who need books. They are also venturing into international schools.smile



Books will in the very near future be digital. Is Longhorn moving towards digital content? I know they have a distribution agreement with eKitabu

Now that tablets are being launched in class one . It's a matter of time before they make it digital on those tablets

The book publishing industry in the country is an interesting one especially the school text book guys - I remember begging those guys to give us covers in soft and a soft copy of the price list so that we cold sell the same online and it was nearly impossible.
On the subject matter, I don't think digital text books will be common place anytime soon - it will be interesting on how kie makes better use of the new platform.


Matiang'i has been complaining that the GOK has been spending alot of money on textbooks that they are not seeing in class rooms. (Established a problem)



What do you think Matiang'i would do to solve this?

1.

2.

How long has it taken to digitize std 1 content?? Lets watch

smile that clip is interesting, especially with the national school.
On the issue of investing in the traditional publishing house, I have no idea why anyone should even think of doing that - I think its an industry on its death bed.

The school text book segment is a monster, lots of middle men and chances for individuals to 'eat' and its true a lot of money ends up being lost, but you have to understand that's how most local publishers thrive - for now the official digitizing of content I think is firmly under kie, I don't know if they will open it up to others, its just too complex a system to control especially with third parties.

What Matiangi should do, I know its water under the bridge now, but I wish they went for subsidized ebook readers instead of laptops, tie in mobile payment and have an online book store the equivalent of an app store, parent/head teachers would then have the opportunity to buy whatever books that have been authorized in the store. Would be easy to track what has been purchased, its cheaper and theoretically smile everyone benefits, but we do not live in a perfect world.
Realtreaty
#45 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:24:59 PM
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enyands
#46 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:49:15 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing
mlennyma
#47 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2016 5:29:30 PM
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enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing

so sidian is this strong? ?single client 10b
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VituVingiSana
#48 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2016 5:37:19 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing

so sidian is this strong? ?single client 10b

Not a single client but many clients. If the max loan is 1.5mn then they can lend to 700 clients. Uber isn't the client, the drivers/owners are.

Plus monthly repayments reduce the actual amount loaned out on a monthly basis.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#49 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:33:10 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing

so sidian is this strong? ?single client 10b

Not a single client but many clients. If the max loan is 1.5mn then they can lend to 700 clients. Uber isn't the client, the drivers/owners are.

Plus monthly repayments reduce the actual amount loaned out on a monthly basis.


10.5% where is Centum getting cheap funds from?
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VituVingiSana
#50 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:48:25 PM
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sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing

so sidian is this strong? ?single client 10b

Not a single client but many clients. If the max loan is 1.5mn then they can lend to 700 clients. Uber isn't the client, the drivers/owners are.

Plus monthly repayments reduce the actual amount loaned out on a monthly basis.


10.5% where is Centum getting cheap funds from?

These rates are not APY/APR but 'flat-rate' loans whose real cost to the borrower is higher.

I used to think SACCO loans were cheaper until I found out they were at 12% 'flat rate' which meant the real rate was hovering at 20+% or so. Not much cheaper than a bank loan.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ebenyo
#51 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:17:14 PM
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centum with huge cash flow cant pay dividends? yet they can afford to pay employees millions in bonuses? shareholder is left only with volatile and unpredictable share price appreciation.Kirubi is the only shareholder benefiting here.The rest muendelee kujipanga.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
enyands
#52 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:24:45 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
centum with huge cash flow cant pay dividends? yet they can afford to pay employees millions in bonuses? shareholder is left only with volatile and unpredictable share price appreciation.Kirubi is the only shareholder benefiting here.The rest muendelee kujipanga.



Correction it's billions not millions .wondering why we haven't recieved the financial results yet
Ericsson
#53 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 7:58:48 AM
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There is no huge cash flow the company claims to have.AIB was right.
If the company had huge cash flow why were they unable to complete Two Rivers Mall on their own and had to wait for Old Mutual to bail them out.
Their stake in two rivers mall as it stands out now is less than 10%.
Most of the deals being done now is via debt.
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iris
#54 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:08:41 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing

so sidian is this strong? ?single client 10b

Not a single client but many clients. If the max loan is 1.5mn then they can lend to 700 clients. Uber isn't the client, the drivers/owners are.

Plus monthly repayments reduce the actual amount loaned out on a monthly basis.


10.5% where is Centum getting cheap funds from?

These rates are not APY/APR but 'flat-rate' loans whose real cost to the borrower is higher.

I used to think SACCO loans were cheaper until I found out they were at 12% 'flat rate' which meant the real rate was hovering at 20+% or so. Not much cheaper than a bank loan.

@vvs, which SACCOs are those? the ones I belong to charge 12% reducing balance for normal loans of 48 months
Ebenyo
#55 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:13:48 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
There is no huge cash flow the company claims to have.AIB was right.
If the company had huge cash flow why were they unable to complete Two Rivers Mall on their own and had to wait for Old Mutual to bail them out.
Their stake in two rivers mall as it stands out now is less than 10%.
Most of the deals being done now is via debt.
Hii ni moto ya kuotea mbali.

Ericson you are right.
i hope they wont go like home afrika way.Since listing in nse they have always been in demand of cash to finance their many projects while posting losses.I see a trend where centum is always in need of cash to do this and that which are not giving any value to shareholder.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
VituVingiSana
#56 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:57:28 AM
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iris wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing

so sidian is this strong? ?single client 10b

Not a single client but many clients. If the max loan is 1.5mn then they can lend to 700 clients. Uber isn't the client, the drivers/owners are.

Plus monthly repayments reduce the actual amount loaned out on a monthly basis.


10.5% where is Centum getting cheap funds from?

These rates are not APY/APR but 'flat-rate' loans whose real cost to the borrower is higher.

I used to think SACCO loans were cheaper until I found out they were at 12% 'flat rate' which meant the real rate was hovering at 20+% or so. Not much cheaper than a bank loan.

@vvs, which SACCOs are those? the ones I belong to charge 12% reducing balance for normal loans of 48 months

I need to find SACCOs that will do that for me!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Swenani
#57 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 9:02:15 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
iris wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing

so sidian is this strong? ?single client 10b

Not a single client but many clients. If the max loan is 1.5mn then they can lend to 700 clients. Uber isn't the client, the drivers/owners are.

Plus monthly repayments reduce the actual amount loaned out on a monthly basis.


10.5% where is Centum getting cheap funds from?

These rates are not APY/APR but 'flat-rate' loans whose real cost to the borrower is higher.

I used to think SACCO loans were cheaper until I found out they were at 12% 'flat rate' which meant the real rate was hovering at 20+% or so. Not much cheaper than a bank loan.

@vvs, which SACCOs are those? the ones I belong to charge 12% reducing balance for normal loans of 48 months

I need to find SACCOs that will do that for me!


The issue of saccos was discussed here on wazua and it was concluded with statistics that it was cheaper taking a personal unsecured loan at 20%+ interest than taking a sacco loan at 12%.
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heri
#58 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 12:28:21 PM
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Swenani wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
iris wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing

so sidian is this strong? ?single client 10b

Not a single client but many clients. If the max loan is 1.5mn then they can lend to 700 clients. Uber isn't the client, the drivers/owners are.

Plus monthly repayments reduce the actual amount loaned out on a monthly basis.


10.5% where is Centum getting cheap funds from?

These rates are not APY/APR but 'flat-rate' loans whose real cost to the borrower is higher.

I used to think SACCO loans were cheaper until I found out they were at 12% 'flat rate' which meant the real rate was hovering at 20+% or so. Not much cheaper than a bank loan.

@vvs, which SACCOs are those? the ones I belong to charge 12% reducing balance for normal loans of 48 months

I need to find SACCOs that will do that for me!


The issue of saccos was discussed here on wazua and it was concluded with statistics that it was cheaper taking a personal unsecured loan at 20%+ interest than taking a sacco loan at 12%.


How? is it because of the deposit one has to maintain in the sacco earning say only 8%? But if the loan interest rate is reducing balance at 12% , how will the bank loan of 24% be cheaper?
Othelo
#59 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 12:59:24 PM
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heri wrote:
Swenani wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
iris wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing

so sidian is this strong? ?single client 10b

Not a single client but many clients. If the max loan is 1.5mn then they can lend to 700 clients. Uber isn't the client, the drivers/owners are.

Plus monthly repayments reduce the actual amount loaned out on a monthly basis.


10.5% where is Centum getting cheap funds from?

These rates are not APY/APR but 'flat-rate' loans whose real cost to the borrower is higher.

I used to think SACCO loans were cheaper until I found out they were at 12% 'flat rate' which meant the real rate was hovering at 20+% or so. Not much cheaper than a bank loan.

@vvs, which SACCOs are those? the ones I belong to charge 12% reducing balance for normal loans of 48 months

I need to find SACCOs that will do that for me!


The issue of saccos was discussed here on wazua and it was concluded with statistics that it was cheaper taking a personal unsecured loan at 20%+ interest than taking a sacco loan at 12%.


How? is it because of the deposit one has to maintain in the sacco earning say only 8%? But if the loan interest rate is reducing balance at 12% , how will the bank loan of 24% be cheaper?

There is a whole thread on this .... just search complete with examples figures and computations.
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iris
#60 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:03:03 PM
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Swenani wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
iris wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:



More and more rabbits to chase without any rabbit stew on table . Keep chasing

so sidian is this strong? ?single client 10b

Not a single client but many clients. If the max loan is 1.5mn then they can lend to 700 clients. Uber isn't the client, the drivers/owners are.

Plus monthly repayments reduce the actual amount loaned out on a monthly basis.


10.5% where is Centum getting cheap funds from?

These rates are not APY/APR but 'flat-rate' loans whose real cost to the borrower is higher.

I used to think SACCO loans were cheaper until I found out they were at 12% 'flat rate' which meant the real rate was hovering at 20+% or so. Not much cheaper than a bank loan.

@vvs, which SACCOs are those? the ones I belong to charge 12% reducing balance for normal loans of 48 months

I need to find SACCOs that will do that for me!


The issue of saccos was discussed here on wazua and it was concluded with statistics that it was cheaper taking a personal unsecured loan at 20%+ interest than taking a sacco loan at 12%.


@vvs, @swenani, it is possible I do not understand what reducing balance is but I thought I did. Have a look at this images from my sacco calculator and tell if it is reducing balance or not:



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