@ intelligensia this is an interesting topic. Your discussion points to Somalis as a problem?? I wonder why! From all the points above I am afraid to conclude that 1. Wazua us full of hard core radicalist who assume that somalis are not Kenyans and should not be considered as Kenyans 2. I am very afraid to think that this is what Kenyans think. We complain about tribalism and some Somalis are Kenyans also. But the xenophobia exhibited to them is never tempered. The Somali question should not be how to get them out of Kenya or how to completely close our borders which are both very difficult and nearly impossible. The Somali question should be how to bring Peace to Somali that is important to us in economic terms, migration and as Kenyans role as the leader in East African and Africa in general. Kenya should bring the Somali issues to the world arena and be a leader in speaking out for their cause. The Arabs don't seem to care about Somali the Americans dont give a rats ass what happens there and the UN only gives a shit about the somali pirates. If all the problems that intelligensia has highlighted the only way to deal with this issues is not locally but internationally and in Somali.

Why Kenyans cannot ignore the Kikuyu Qstn Wazua=Mashada You heard it here first!

What internal problem! Its an external Problem. The Somali who are not Kenyans are leaving somali because its in the shite. They are not coming to Kenya because it is the land of milk and honey!! The somali immigrants and the Kenyan born somali are indistinguishable from each other. How can you tell the difference. When the shiftas tried to secede we vehemently fought but now we dont want to accept somalis as Kenyans. When the chinese find oil in chalbi desert we will all be clamouring for our "kenyan" share. We are a bunch of hypocrites. I hope it's only in Wazua and not the whole of Kenya.

people should read on rightist/far right: leftists/extreme left... The world as it is right now is facing threats from the Far Rights.. Who mostly tend to tie their arguments with religion.. this groups include the AlShabaabs, the Alqaedas, Army of 'god' the KKK etc.. Since Obama and Osama.. the far right groups and feelings have been stirred into motion and action.. Situation explosive

Guys plse note the thrust of this thread is about Somalia's Somalis and not Kenya Somalis some of whom have made great significant contributions to the country eg Heads of IIEC, the PSC, and the COE all currently headed by Kenya Somalis. So was a former CGS General M.Mohammed who routed the KAF rebels in '82 and helped mo1 stay in power...(on reflection maybe angewacha tu lol. Unfortunately or not it is hard to distinguish between the two Somalis, just as it is hard to distinguish a Kenyan Indian or an 'original' one from India until they speak! vat ur saying?! So kenyans just lump all together. I have therefore slightly amended this fact in the main thread to put the discussion in proper perspective and as a guide to new pips coming to this thread. The issue of foreigners/immigrants is sensitive world over and I would rather we discuss this than resort to the cheap baseline thinking/ abuses also ssociated with killings of foreigners witnessed globally eg skin heads in Russsia/German who go hunting for foreigners like animals. I for one would really want to get the perspective of Kenya somalis on the immigrant somalis, just as kenyan indians have made it clear how hey feel about indian expatriate by calling them 'rockets'. We are not xenophobic but cannot pretend not to see the effects of immigrants on our social,cultural an fabric. Lets enlighten each other.