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Wakanyugi
#161 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2016 4:07:30 PM
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'Nothing is moving faster than everything.'

'Everything is moving in nothing.'




Movement (or the illusion thereof) is a direct function of space and time.

Without space/time there is no movement.

Period.



'Anything' is possible with illusions.


Illusions are observer created. In fact my illusions and yours are very different, even of such things as space and time that it seems we agree on.

So, yes 'anything is possible with the observer.' I am yet to find any limit to our ability to create our own reality. We even created God, a very active one too if our pastors are to be believed.


It seems Descartes' evil demon is also very active.


Sure.

After all we created the Devil too



"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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#162 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2016 5:28:38 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
¿ wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
¿ wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
¿ wrote:

'Nothing is moving faster than everything.'

'Everything is moving in nothing.'




Movement (or the illusion thereof) is a direct function of space and time.

Without space/time there is no movement.

Period.



'Anything' is possible with illusions.


Illusions are observer created. In fact my illusions and yours are very different, even of such things as space and time that it seems we agree on.

So, yes 'anything is possible with the observer.' I am yet to find any limit to our ability to create our own reality. We even created God, a very active one too if our pastors are to be believed.


It seems Descartes' evil demon is also very active.


Sure.

After all we created the Devil too





and illusions created us.An interesting illusion creation loop.
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tycho
#163 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2016 9:44:39 PM
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¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
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'Nothing' may be a qiantum probability wave, or a field... in which case it can't be measured or ascribed to as an entity with specific qualities.

The illusion is in the holding that the entities we measure are absolute. So everything isn't possible with illusion, but everything is possible with nothingness.


Without an understanding of the 'absolute' nature of the illusions,defining the possibilities becomes an exercise in 'futility'.


The absolute nature of illusion is nothingness.For example, defining the possibilities of light isn't an exercise in futility.


Using illusions to study other illusions in order to come to the conclusion that it's nothingness which is different from nothing. Much ado about nothing(ness).


Which illusion is studying which illusion in this case?
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tycho
#164 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2016 9:51:31 PM
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Man didn't create God. Man, is God in terms of 'final cause'. Remember for example, Einstein's 'absolute space-time' as a basis of general theory of relativity. Absolute space-time implies a singularity of causes that can be personified...
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#165 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2016 11:17:04 PM
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tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
'Nothing' may be a qiantum probability wave, or a field... in which case it can't be measured or ascribed to as an entity with specific qualities.

The illusion is in the holding that the entities we measure are absolute. So everything isn't possible with illusion, but everything is possible with nothingness.


Without an understanding of the 'absolute' nature of the illusions,defining the possibilities becomes an exercise in 'futility'.


The absolute nature of illusion is nothingness.For example, defining the possibilities of light isn't an exercise in futility.


Using illusions to study other illusions in order to come to the conclusion that it's nothingness which is different from nothing. Much ado about nothing(ness).


Which illusion is studying which illusion in this case?





The object and the instrument of measurement.According to you,taking an absolute view towards them would give rise to illusion. If they are not illusions, then what are they?
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tycho
#166 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2016 6:58:31 AM
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Don't forget that the subject too is also an illusion, when taken as absolute. All these illusions cease to be illusions when they are put into proper relations to 'nothingness'. That is, they are faces of nothingness.

Much ado about nothing is an illusion. Embrace of nothingness; stillness, absolute reality.
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#167 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2016 7:28:46 AM
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Science has its limits until otherwise proven.
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tycho
#168 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2016 7:51:17 AM
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Science has its limits until otherwise proven.


All knowledge is limited to nothingness. Proof is an illusion by itself.
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masukuma
#169 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2016 8:07:03 AM
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Science has its limits until otherwise proven.

yes indeed unlike the pink invisible unicorn
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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#170 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2016 8:32:53 AM
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masukuma wrote:
¿ wrote:
Science has its limits until otherwise proven.

yes indeed unlike the pink invisible unicorn


Unfortunately masukama,pink invisible unicorns have nothing to do with the scientific community being incapable of explaining what is considered to be 95% of the phenomena in the universe.

This wouldn't be a problem if the body of knowledge that lead to those discoveries was not being undermined by the very same discoveries.As long as that remains the case,the scientific community will continue to churn out pink invisible unicorns in the name of "science".
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