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¿ wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:¿ wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:¿ wrote:
'Nothing is moving faster than everything.'
'Everything is moving in nothing.'
Movement (or the illusion thereof) is a direct function of space and time. Without space/time there is no movement. Period. 'Anything' is possible with illusions. Illusions are observer created. In fact my illusions and yours are very different, even of such things as space and time that it seems we agree on. So, yes 'anything is possible with the observer.' I am yet to find any limit to our ability to create our own reality. We even created God, a very active one too if our pastors are to be believed. It seems Descartes' evil demon is also very active. Sure. After all we created the Devil too "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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Wakanyugi wrote:¿ wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:¿ wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:¿ wrote:
'Nothing is moving faster than everything.'
'Everything is moving in nothing.'
Movement (or the illusion thereof) is a direct function of space and time. Without space/time there is no movement. Period. 'Anything' is possible with illusions. Illusions are observer created. In fact my illusions and yours are very different, even of such things as space and time that it seems we agree on. So, yes 'anything is possible with the observer.' I am yet to find any limit to our ability to create our own reality. We even created God, a very active one too if our pastors are to be believed. It seems Descartes' evil demon is also very active. Sure. After all we created the Devil too and illusions created us.An interesting illusion creation loop.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:'Nothing' may be a qiantum probability wave, or a field... in which case it can't be measured or ascribed to as an entity with specific qualities.
The illusion is in the holding that the entities we measure are absolute. So everything isn't possible with illusion, but everything is possible with nothingness. Without an understanding of the 'absolute' nature of the illusions,defining the possibilities becomes an exercise in 'futility'. The absolute nature of illusion is nothingness.For example, defining the possibilities of light isn't an exercise in futility. Using illusions to study other illusions in order to come to the conclusion that it's nothingness which is different from nothing. Much ado about nothing(ness). Which illusion is studying which illusion in this case?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Man didn't create God. Man, is God in terms of 'final cause'. Remember for example, Einstein's 'absolute space-time' as a basis of general theory of relativity. Absolute space-time implies a singularity of causes that can be personified...
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:'Nothing' may be a qiantum probability wave, or a field... in which case it can't be measured or ascribed to as an entity with specific qualities.
The illusion is in the holding that the entities we measure are absolute. So everything isn't possible with illusion, but everything is possible with nothingness. Without an understanding of the 'absolute' nature of the illusions,defining the possibilities becomes an exercise in 'futility'. The absolute nature of illusion is nothingness.For example, defining the possibilities of light isn't an exercise in futility. Using illusions to study other illusions in order to come to the conclusion that it's nothingness which is different from nothing. Much ado about nothing(ness). Which illusion is studying which illusion in this case? The object and the instrument of measurement.According to you,taking an absolute view towards them would give rise to illusion. If they are not illusions, then what are they?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Don't forget that the subject too is also an illusion, when taken as absolute. All these illusions cease to be illusions when they are put into proper relations to 'nothingness'. That is, they are faces of nothingness.
Much ado about nothing is an illusion. Embrace of nothingness; stillness, absolute reality.
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Science has its limits until otherwise proven.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:Science has its limits until otherwise proven. All knowledge is limited to nothingness. Proof is an illusion by itself.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:Science has its limits until otherwise proven. yes indeed unlike the pink invisible unicorn All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:¿ wrote:Science has its limits until otherwise proven. yes indeed unlike the pink invisible unicorn Unfortunately masukama,pink invisible unicorns have nothing to do with the scientific community being incapable of explaining what is considered to be 95% of the phenomena in the universe. This wouldn't be a problem if the body of knowledge that lead to those discoveries was not being undermined by the very same discoveries.As long as that remains the case,the scientific community will continue to churn out pink invisible unicorns in the name of "science".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:masukuma wrote:¿ wrote:Science has its limits until otherwise proven. yes indeed unlike the pink invisible unicorn Unfortunately masukama,pink invisible unicorns have nothing to do with the scientific community being incapable of explaining what is considered to be 95% of the phenomena in the universe. This wouldn't be a problem if the body of knowledge that lead to those discoveries was not being undermined by the very same discoveries.As long as that remains the case,the scientific community will continue to churn out pink invisible unicorns in the name of "science". if it's a battle of proofs... get your own proof - show us a sound model that moves from the know to the unknown to explain it and no one will bother you. Other than that - defer the explanation of an observation to the black hole to all answers called the pink unicorn to settle it. The interesting thing about the scientific process is that it has inbuilt mechanisms to accept that it was WRONG if a better explanation shows up! it has happened may times before. that's the joy of it... it's not scared of saying... I KNOW I OBSERVED X.... BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY X IS HAPPENING BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE U+V=X. Scientists just like the rest of us are fallible humans who can fall in love with their theories and explanations but the body of knowledge that is science always picks the best explanation to a phenomenon. So stop bashing science (the very system of thought that has created a channel for you to understand my thoughts from thousands of kilometers away) and start bashing individual scientists with a better explanation. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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masukuma wrote:¿ wrote:masukuma wrote:¿ wrote:Science has its limits until otherwise proven. yes indeed unlike the pink invisible unicorn Unfortunately masukama,pink invisible unicorns have nothing to do with the scientific community being incapable of explaining what is considered to be 95% of the phenomena in the universe. This wouldn't be a problem if the body of knowledge that lead to those discoveries was not being undermined by the very same discoveries.As long as that remains the case,the scientific community will continue to churn out pink invisible unicorns in the name of "science". if it's a battle of proofs... get your own proof - show us a sound model that moves from the know to the unknown to explain it and no one will bother you. Other than that - defer the explanation of an observation to the black hole to all answers called the pink unicorn to settle it. The interesting thing about the scientific process is that it has inbuilt mechanisms to accept that it was WRONG if a better explanation shows up! it has happened may times before. that's the joy of it... it's not scared of saying... I KNOW I OBSERVED X.... BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY X IS HAPPENING BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE U+V=X. Scientists just like the rest of us are fallible humans who can fall in love with their theories and explanations but the body of knowledge that is science always picks the best explanation to a phenomenon. So stop bashing science (the very system of thought that has created a channel for you to understand my thoughts from thousands of kilometers away) and start bashing individual scientists with a better explanation. You don't need to convince me and I don't need to offer any proof or explanation. Convince the universe.
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masukuma wrote:¿ wrote:masukuma wrote:¿ wrote:Science has its limits until otherwise proven. yes indeed unlike the pink invisible unicorn Unfortunately masukama,pink invisible unicorns have nothing to do with the scientific community being incapable of explaining what is considered to be 95% of the phenomena in the universe. This wouldn't be a problem if the body of knowledge that lead to those discoveries was not being undermined by the very same discoveries.As long as that remains the case,the scientific community will continue to churn out pink invisible unicorns in the name of "science". if it's a battle of proofs... get your own proof - show us a sound model that moves from the know to the unknown to explain it and no one will bother you. Other than that - defer the explanation of an observation to the black hole to all answers called the pink unicorn to settle it. The interesting thing about the scientific process is that it has inbuilt mechanisms to accept that it was WRONG if a better explanation shows up! it has happened may times before. that's the joy of it... it's not scared of saying... I KNOW I OBSERVED X.... BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY X IS HAPPENING BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE U+V=X. Scientists just like the rest of us are fallible humans who can fall in love with their theories and explanations but the body of knowledge that is science always picks the best explanation to a phenomenon. So stop bashing science (the very system of thought that has created a channel for you to understand my thoughts from thousands of kilometers away) and start bashing individual scientists with a better explanation. "Get your own proof" but use my methodology to get that proof? Indeed, no one owes you any explanation.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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I have always thought of this as a battle with one's conscience and self as opposed to a battle with others. People don't convict you of something you don't know in the beginning to be true. Some people pick a camp and dig in because they need to be coherent and consistent with the decisions their ignorant versions of themselves made sometime back. I guess whatever your motivation to believe or not believe - pick your camp or build your own! no one really owes anyone any explanation... you just owe yourself one! pick a side... dig in... regardless of your experiences... coz you are right... coz you have to be right... dig in.... fight a war with reality and your experiences... wengine tunasonga mbele... mtatukuta mbele! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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There's neither mbele nor nyuma.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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masukuma wrote:I have always thought of this as a battle with one's conscience and self as opposed to a battle with others. People don't convict you of something you don't know in the beginning to be true. Some people pick a camp and dig in because they need to be coherent and consistent with the decisions their ignorant versions of themselves made sometime back. I guess whatever your motivation to believe or not believe - pick your camp or build your own! no one really owes anyone any explanation... you just owe yourself one! pick a side... dig in... regardless of your experiences... coz you are right... coz you have to be right... dig in.... fight a war with reality and your experiences... wengine tunasonga mbele... mtatukuta mbele! Oh please!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:masukuma wrote:I have always thought of this as a battle with one's conscience and self as opposed to a battle with others. People don't convict you of something you don't know in the beginning to be true. Some people pick a camp and dig in because they need to be coherent and consistent with the decisions their ignorant versions of themselves made sometime back. I guess whatever your motivation to believe or not believe - pick your camp or build your own! no one really owes anyone any explanation... you just owe yourself one! pick a side... dig in... regardless of your experiences... coz you are right... coz you have to be right... dig in.... fight a war with reality and your experiences... wengine tunasonga mbele... mtatukuta mbele! Oh please! dig in! kwa hayo machache nimeruka nje!  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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masukuma wrote:¿ wrote:masukuma wrote:I have always thought of this as a battle with one's conscience and self as opposed to a battle with others. People don't convict you of something you don't know in the beginning to be true. Some people pick a camp and dig in because they need to be coherent and consistent with the decisions their ignorant versions of themselves made sometime back. I guess whatever your motivation to believe or not believe - pick your camp or build your own! no one really owes anyone any explanation... you just owe yourself one! pick a side... dig in... regardless of your experiences... coz you are right... coz you have to be right... dig in.... fight a war with reality and your experiences... wengine tunasonga mbele... mtatukuta mbele! Oh please! dig in! kwa hayo machache nimeruka nje! 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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tycho wrote:Man didn't create God. Man, is God in terms of 'final cause'. Remember for example, Einstein's 'absolute space-time' as a basis of general theory of relativity. Absolute space-time implies a singularity of causes that can be personified... Brother Tycho: 1. I was talking of the popular God of the Bible, Koran, Gita et al. Surely we created that one? Who else could come up with such a hilarious mess? 2. Please don't misrepresent old man Einstein.He clearly said 'all is relative' (no absolutes), a position he struggled with through out his life, if you recall his debacle of the cosmological constant 3. I repeat, again, there are no absolutes in reality. I know it is scary, like suddenly realizing that the ground you stand on is nothing but empty space. It is. 'Absolute space/time is an illusion. An important illusion yes, but that is all it is. 4. Even your capacity to create reality, in all its detail (including filling up that empty space) is not absolute. You can change it and you often do. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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tycho wrote:Don't forget that the subject too is also an illusion, when taken as absolute. All these illusions cease to be illusions when they are put into proper relations to 'nothingness'. That is, they are faces of nothingness.
Much ado about nothing is an illusion. Embrace of nothingness; stillness, absolute reality. You can create anything and call it absolute. That is definitely a valid way of generating your own reality, just like people who believe in a God, Devil, Unicorns, Flat Earth etc - their reality is valid too, at least to them. But when you try to measure your creation against an independent gauge - eg Science (Quantum Physics for one) or even rational philosophy, then the illusion becomes quite apparent. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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