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masukuma wrote:yes indeed sir/madam "beings of pure energy" "Sound math"
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Quote:Giordano Bruno, an Italian philosopher, mathematician, astrologer of 16th century, was tried and put to death on charges of blasphemy.
His crime: he said the Universe was Infinite, which went against Church's stated principle that only God could be Infinite.
This is what he said (true to this day, except the immobile part) "The universe is then one, infinite, immobile.... It is not capable of comprehension and therefore is endless and limitless, and to that extent infinite and indeterminable, and consequently immobile." i.am.back!!!!
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harrydre wrote:Quote:Giordano Bruno, an Italian philosopher, mathematician, astrologer of 16th century, was tried and put to death on charges of blasphemy.
His crime: he said the Universe was Infinite, which went against Church's stated principle that only God could be Infinite.
This is what he said (true to this day, except the immobile part) "The universe is then one, infinite, immobile.... It is not capable of comprehension and therefore is endless and limitless, and to that extent infinite and indeterminable, and consequently immobile." The universe in my street view, is immobile,its only the things within the universe which are mobile e.g sun, planets, stars,life etc If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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The announcement- 1284 new exoplanets discovered, the most announced at one time.  With 9 potentially inhabitable worlds:  Sent from my Black Nokia 3310
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Swenani wrote:harrydre wrote:Quote:Giordano Bruno, an Italian philosopher, mathematician, astrologer of 16th century, was tried and put to death on charges of blasphemy.
His crime: he said the Universe was Infinite, which went against Church's stated principle that only God could be Infinite.
This is what he said (true to this day, except the immobile part) "The universe is then one, infinite, immobile.... It is not capable of comprehension and therefore is endless and limitless, and to that extent infinite and indeterminable, and consequently immobile." The universe in my street view, is immobile,its only the things within the universe which are mobile e.g sun, planets, stars,life etc The visible Universe is a pattern of 'things' held together by the space/time frame of reference. Astronomers tell us that one of these frames, space, is expanding faster than the speed of light, taking everything with it. How then can the Universe be immobile? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:Swenani wrote:harrydre wrote:Quote:Giordano Bruno, an Italian philosopher, mathematician, astrologer of 16th century, was tried and put to death on charges of blasphemy.
His crime: he said the Universe was Infinite, which went against Church's stated principle that only God could be Infinite.
This is what he said (true to this day, except the immobile part) "The universe is then one, infinite, immobile.... It is not capable of comprehension and therefore is endless and limitless, and to that extent infinite and indeterminable, and consequently immobile." The universe in my street view, is immobile,its only the things within the universe which are mobile e.g sun, planets, stars,life etc The visible Universe is a pattern of 'things' held together by the space/time frame of reference. Astronomers tell us that one of these frames, space, is expanding faster than the speed of light, taking everything with it. How then can the Universe be immobile? Because it is infinite, it can only be mobile if its finite-Swenani and Sons journal(2016). It's only "the everything in it" including space and time that is mobile If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Swenani wrote:harrydre wrote:Quote:Giordano Bruno, an Italian philosopher, mathematician, astrologer of 16th century, was tried and put to death on charges of blasphemy.
His crime: he said the Universe was Infinite, which went against Church's stated principle that only God could be Infinite.
This is what he said (true to this day, except the immobile part) "The universe is then one, infinite, immobile.... It is not capable of comprehension and therefore is endless and limitless, and to that extent infinite and indeterminable, and consequently immobile." The universe in my street view, is immobile,its only the things within the universe which are mobile e.g sun, planets, stars,life etc The visible Universe is a pattern of 'things' held together by the space/time frame of reference. Astronomers tell us that one of these frames, space, is expanding faster than the speed of light, taking everything with it. How then can the Universe be immobile? Because it is infinite, it can only be mobile if its finite-Swenani and Sons journal(2016). It's only "the everything in it" including space and time that is mobile I see two problems with your conclusion: 1. Terminology - Uni-verse (Uni) - is taken to mean 'everything that is.' There is no separation. If the 'everything in it' is moving, the Universe must be moving, capisce? 2. Terminology (again) - infinite - 'without beginning, without end,' I assume in both spatial and temporal terms. All correct. But scientists tell us that our local Universe does seem to have a beginning (the big bang) and an assumed end (the big______whatever). That said, I agree with "Swenani and Sons" and have said here that I believe space and time are root illusions. They are not 'real' and so yes, the Universe does not move. NB: That is not the same as saying it does not change (change and movement, not the same). Finally here is a thought: Space, we are told, is accelerating 'outwards' faster than the speed of light. This acceleration creates the boundary of the perceivable Universe, beyond where light can never reach us. What happens to time on this boundary? If we follow Einsteins theory of Relativity, once you hit the speed of light, time stops completely. This then would be the true point of infinity (no beginning, no end). Perhaps that is where God lives? But, there is one slight complication: this stoppage of time at super-luminal speeds is only relative to an external observer, not to the one affected (Einstein's relativity again). So if God lives on the 'infinity edge' of the Universe, traveling at the speed of light plus, he does not perceive himself as infinite although, from our perspective, he is. Confused? Good. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:Swenani wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Swenani wrote:harrydre wrote:Quote:Giordano Bruno, an Italian philosopher, mathematician, astrologer of 16th century, was tried and put to death on charges of blasphemy.
His crime: he said the Universe was Infinite, which went against Church's stated principle that only God could be Infinite.
This is what he said (true to this day, except the immobile part) "The universe is then one, infinite, immobile.... It is not capable of comprehension and therefore is endless and limitless, and to that extent infinite and indeterminable, and consequently immobile." The universe in my street view, is immobile,its only the things within the universe which are mobile e.g sun, planets, stars,life etc The visible Universe is a pattern of 'things' held together by the space/time frame of reference. Astronomers tell us that one of these frames, space, is expanding faster than the speed of light, taking everything with it. How then can the Universe be immobile? Because it is infinite, it can only be mobile if its finite-Swenani and Sons journal(2016). It's only "the everything in it" including space and time that is mobile I see two problems with your conclusion: 1. Terminology - Uni-verse (Uni) - is taken to mean 'everything that is.' There is no separation. If the 'everything in it' is moving, the Universe must be moving, capisce? 2. Terminology (again) - infinite - 'without beginning, without end,' I assume in both spatial and temporal terms. All correct. But scientists tell us that our local Universe does seem to have a beginning (the big bang) and an assumed end (the big______whatever). That said, I agree with "Swenani and Sons" and have said here that I believe space and time are root illusions. They are not 'real' and so yes, the Universe does not move. NB: That is not the same as saying it does not change (change and movement, not the same). Finally here is a thought: Space, we are told, is accelerating 'outwards' faster than the speed of light. This acceleration creates the boundary of the perceivable Universe, beyond where light can never reach us. What happens to time on this boundary? If we follow Einsteins theory of Relativity, once you hit the speed of light, time stops completely. This then would be the true point of infinity (no beginning, no end). Perhaps that is where God lives? But, there is one slight complication: this stoppage of time at super-luminal speeds is only relative to an external observer, not to the one affected (Einstein's relativity again). So if God lives on the 'infinity edge' of the Universe, traveling at the speed of light plus, he does not perceive himself as infinite although, from our perspective, he is. Confused? Good. 'Nothing is moving faster than everything.' 'Everything is moving in nothing.'
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¿ wrote:
'Nothing is moving faster than everything.'
'Everything is moving in nothing.'
Movement (or the illusion thereof) is a direct function of space and time. Without space/time there is no movement. Period. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:¿ wrote:
'Nothing is moving faster than everything.'
'Everything is moving in nothing.'
Movement (or the illusion thereof) is a direct function of space and time. Without space/time there is no movement. Period. 'Anything' is possible with illusions.
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'Nothing' may be a qiantum probability wave, or a field... in which case it can't be measured or ascribed to as an entity with specific qualities.
The illusion is in the holding that the entities we measure are absolute. So everything isn't possible with illusion, but everything is possible with nothingness.
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tycho wrote:'Nothing' may be a qiantum probability wave, or a field... in which case it can't be measured or ascribed to as an entity with specific qualities.
The illusion is in the holding that the entities we measure are absolute. So everything isn't possible with illusion, but everything is possible with nothingness. Without an understanding of the 'absolute' nature of the illusions,defining the possibilities becomes an exercise in 'futility'.
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:'Nothing' may be a qiantum probability wave, or a field... in which case it can't be measured or ascribed to as an entity with specific qualities.
The illusion is in the holding that the entities we measure are absolute. So everything isn't possible with illusion, but everything is possible with nothingness. Without an understanding of the 'absolute' nature of the illusions,defining the possibilities becomes an exercise in 'futility'. The absolute nature of illusion is nothingness.For example, defining the possibilities of light isn't an exercise in futility.
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:'Nothing' may be a qiantum probability wave, or a field... in which case it can't be measured or ascribed to as an entity with specific qualities.
The illusion is in the holding that the entities we measure are absolute. So everything isn't possible with illusion, but everything is possible with nothingness. Without an understanding of the 'absolute' nature of the illusions,defining the possibilities becomes an exercise in 'futility'. The absolute nature of illusion is nothingness.For example, defining the possibilities of light isn't an exercise in futility. Using illusions to study other illusions in order to come to the conclusion that it's nothingness which is different from nothing. Much ado about nothing(ness).
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How difficult is it for some people to be normal? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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tycho wrote:'Nothing' may be a qiantum probability wave, or a field... in which case it can't be measured or ascribed to as an entity with specific qualities.
The illusion is in the holding that the entities we measure are absolute. So everything isn't possible with illusion, but everything is possible with nothingness. Brother Tycho, Does the above mean that you finally accept my argument that there no absolutes? If so, welcome from the dark side "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:'Nothing' may be a qiantum probability wave, or a field... in which case it can't be measured or ascribed to as an entity with specific qualities.
The illusion is in the holding that the entities we measure are absolute. So everything isn't possible with illusion, but everything is possible with nothingness. Without an understanding of the 'absolute' nature of the illusions,defining the possibilities becomes an exercise in 'futility'. The absolute nature of illusion is nothingness.For example, defining the possibilities of light isn't an exercise in futility. Oops, it seems I spoke too soon. Never mind. As you were. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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¿ wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:¿ wrote:
'Nothing is moving faster than everything.'
'Everything is moving in nothing.'
Movement (or the illusion thereof) is a direct function of space and time. Without space/time there is no movement. Period. 'Anything' is possible with illusions. Illusions are observer created. In fact my illusions and yours are very different, even of such things as space and time that it seems we agree on. So, yes 'anything is possible with the observer.' I am yet to find any limit to our ability to create our own reality. We even created God, a very active one too if our pastors are to be believed. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:¿ wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:¿ wrote:
'Nothing is moving faster than everything.'
'Everything is moving in nothing.'
Movement (or the illusion thereof) is a direct function of space and time. Without space/time there is no movement. Period. 'Anything' is possible with illusions. Illusions are observer created. In fact my illusions and yours are very different, even of such things as space and time that it seems we agree on. So, yes 'anything is possible with the observer.' I am yet to find any limit to our ability to create our own reality. We even created God, a very active one too if our pastors are to be believed. It seems Descartes' evil demon is also very active.
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