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Who is God?
tycho
#41 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:58:33 PM
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quicksand wrote:
tycho wrote:
quicksand wrote:
What we need is a Philosophy section in Wazualand Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly, so that these Zen masters and cool philosophers can wax lyrical to their hearts' content. I suggest we call it "The Abstract".
Ever walked into a group of men arguing about their cars? Sometimes this is what these threads feel like. Please do not get lost in your own arguments, oh great ones. Somebody once said if you fly too high, you are likely to run out of air and come crashing down. Abstract everything and very little of use comes out.


'Abstract'. 'Apart from concrete existence'.

'Concrete existence' is death. Water is abstraction.

In my flight of abstraction I find this:

(Entropy + Ergodicity) forming and transforming, spreading to infinity = 'God' = Nothing = Everything = Life = Love = Water = Sun.








@tycho, you are proving my point brilliantly. You could have replied in Mandarin and I would be just as lost smile smile


I was about to exclaim, 'but I understand you perfectly!'

Then I realized that can't be true. Otherwise we wouldn't have spoken.

So what is leading my response? Familiarity. Your words are triggering old circuits in my head.

But when I abstract, new and sweet circuits alas.

The Kingdom belongs to the children because they abstract. Language is developed by Children as they learn it.

This may be a reason for you not being able to understand Mandarin.

Mtu Biz
#42 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:50:29 PM
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Consider the words of Paul when while at Athens waiting for Silas and Timothy,


16 While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols.

17 So he reasoned in the synagogue with both Jews and God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.

18 A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him. Some of them asked, “What is this babbler trying to say?” Others remarked, “He seems to be advocating foreign gods.” They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.

19 Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, “May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?

20 You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we would like to know what they mean.”

21 (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)

22 Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious.

23 For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship—and this is what I am going to proclaim to you.

24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.

25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.

26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.

27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’[b] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[c]

29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill.

30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.

31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead."
Sola Scriptura


Mukiri
#43 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:27:57 AM
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A simple question.. Exodus 3:14

Proverbs 19:21
seppuku
#44 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:32:47 PM
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People like to say that they have a personal relationship with God. With such scant understanding of His nature, it is difficult to believe them.
Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
symbols
#45 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 3:09:23 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
A simple question.. Exodus 3:14



God gave the answer and @Mukiri pointed it out.I don't think God exists,I know He does.This is what comforts and strengthens me in spite of my imperfections and the challenges I face: God is good,loving,merciful and forgiving.The only thing that worries me is whether I am truly committed to seeking the heart of God.We're all at the mercy of God and in the end every knee shall surely bow.For me the only real choice is whether you will have gained the humility to do it willing.
seppuku
#46 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 6:56:05 AM
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symbols wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
A simple question.. Exodus 3:14



God gave the answer and @Mukiri pointed it out.I don't think God exists,I know He does.This is what comforts and strengthens me in spite of my imperfections and the challenges I face: God is good,loving,merciful and forgiving.The only thing that worries me is whether I am truly committed to seeking the heart of God.We're all at the mercy of God and in the end every knee shall surely bow.For me the only real choice is whether you will have gained the humility to do it willing.


Don't you think claiming to know that He exists is rather too presumptuous? Surely, you can only believe. If indeed he is all these good things you say, why is there evil in the universe he is supposed to be in charge of?
Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
tycho
#47 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 7:36:28 AM
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seppuku wrote:
symbols wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
A simple question.. Exodus 3:14



God gave the answer and @Mukiri pointed it out.I don't think God exists,I know He does.This is what comforts and strengthens me in spite of my imperfections and the challenges I face: God is good,loving,merciful and forgiving.The only thing that worries me is whether I am truly committed to seeking the heart of God.We're all at the mercy of God and in the end every knee shall surely bow.For me the only real choice is whether you will have gained the humility to do it willing.


Don't you think claiming to know that He exists is rather too presumptuous? Surely, you can only believe. If indeed he is all these good things you say, why is there evil in the universe he is supposed to be in charge of?


It's not possible to know 'good' and 'evil' and not know 'God'.

If one 'believes' in 'God' then he can only 'believe' in 'good' and 'evil'. Believing in good and evil, is living in fantasy; knowing good and evil is true being. One has to look at Edward Moore's 'Principia ethica' to see this. In it, the author establishes that goodness is not hedonism or utilitarianism, or any other category of thought or experience. He ends up in the tautology of 'good is good'. Meaning that he too was ignorant, and only 'believed'.

But here is what goodness is; the absence of the ego. Evil; subjugation to the ego.

Those who know what good and evil are, know God. Lol.
symbols
#48 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 1:26:01 PM
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seppuku wrote:
symbols wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
A simple question.. Exodus 3:14



God gave the answer and @Mukiri pointed it out.I don't think God exists,I know He does.This is what comforts and strengthens me in spite of my imperfections and the challenges I face: God is good,loving,merciful and forgiving.The only thing that worries me is whether I am truly committed to seeking the heart of God.We're all at the mercy of God and in the end every knee shall surely bow.For me the only real choice is whether you will have gained the humility to do it willing.


Don't you think claiming to know that He exists is rather too presumptuous? Surely, you can only believe. If indeed he is all these good things you say, why is there evil in the universe he is supposed to be in charge of?


The best thing to do is give God a fair and honest chance in your life and judge the results for yourself.
seppuku
#49 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 1:59:43 PM
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symbols wrote:
seppuku wrote:
symbols wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
A simple question.. Exodus 3:14



God gave the answer and @Mukiri pointed it out.I don't think God exists,I know He does.This is what comforts and strengthens me in spite of my imperfections and the challenges I face: God is good,loving,merciful and forgiving.The only thing that worries me is whether I am truly committed to seeking the heart of God.We're all at the mercy of God and in the end every knee shall surely bow.For me the only real choice is whether you will have gained the humility to do it willing.


Don't you think claiming to know that He exists is rather too presumptuous? Surely, you can only believe. If indeed he is all these good things you say, why is there evil in the universe he is supposed to be in charge of?


The best thing to do is give God a fair and honest chance in your life and judge the results for yourself.


@symbols, you have completely ignored my question. And would a Supreme God really need to be given a chance? If we say he takes away life itself, how much more easily would he grab a chance to manifest himself to a mere mortal if he cared to?
Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
symbols
#50 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 2:18:27 PM
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seppuku wrote:
symbols wrote:
seppuku wrote:
symbols wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
A simple question.. Exodus 3:14



God gave the answer and @Mukiri pointed it out.I don't think God exists,I know He does.This is what comforts and strengthens me in spite of my imperfections and the challenges I face: God is good,loving,merciful and forgiving.The only thing that worries me is whether I am truly committed to seeking the heart of God.We're all at the mercy of God and in the end every knee shall surely bow.For me the only real choice is whether you will have gained the humility to do it willing.


Don't you think claiming to know that He exists is rather too presumptuous? Surely, you can only believe. If indeed he is all these good things you say, why is there evil in the universe he is supposed to be in charge of?


The best thing to do is give God a fair and honest chance in your life and judge the results for yourself.


@symbols, you have completely ignored my question. And would a Supreme God really need to be given a chance? If we say he takes away life itself, how much more easily would he grab a chance to manifest himself to a mere mortal if he cared to?


I ignored the question to keep things simple.1Kings 19:12 - He came in a whisper.He can do what He wishes.We play by His rules not Him by ours.
tycho
#51 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 2:57:35 PM
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symbols wrote:
seppuku wrote:
symbols wrote:
seppuku wrote:
symbols wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
A simple question.. Exodus 3:14



God gave the answer and @Mukiri pointed it out.I don't think God exists,I know He does.This is what comforts and strengthens me in spite of my imperfections and the challenges I face: God is good,loving,merciful and forgiving.The only thing that worries me is whether I am truly committed to seeking the heart of God.We're all at the mercy of God and in the end every knee shall surely bow.For me the only real choice is whether you will have gained the humility to do it willing.


Don't you think claiming to know that He exists is rather too presumptuous? Surely, you can only believe. If indeed he is all these good things you say, why is there evil in the universe he is supposed to be in charge of?


The best thing to do is give God a fair and honest chance in your life and judge the results for yourself.


@symbols, you have completely ignored my question. And would a Supreme God really need to be given a chance? If we say he takes away life itself, how much more easily would he grab a chance to manifest himself to a mere mortal if he cared to?


I ignored the question to keep things simple.1Kings 19:12 - He came in a whisper.He can do what He wishes.We play by His rules not Him by ours.


Supposing, @symbols and I, or any other person that hazards an answer fails to convince you, what would you conclude and do?

Lol, our answers don't matter at all! In the end, what matters is whether you can see or not.

And if you can't see, you lift your eyes and confess that you can't see, and that you need see. This, is the shortest cut, lol, to God.

The lifting of the veil; Saul's scales.









harrydre
#52 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2016 3:21:00 AM
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#thestoryofGod


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tycho
#53 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2016 12:29:15 PM
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I haven't met a person who hasn't wondered after some interaction with me, about who I am.

@quicksand was prescient when he spoke of Zen, because it's time to meditate on the 'emptiness' of the self.

To enjoy the 'emptiness' of God.
majimaji
#54 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2016 3:46:01 PM
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