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CFC-Stanbic 2009
VituVingiSana
#21 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:47:31 AM
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@thedeal - The regional/group CEO is kitili mbathi
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mukiha
#22 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:03:36 AM
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the deal wrote:
@ mukiha what of liberty life south africa(also owned by standard bank sa) taking a controlling and strategic stake in the insurance business and then the listing of it as a separate entity on the nse...how far have they gone with that?

As indicated before; my bet is on that de-merger. I expect it to increase shareholder value. However, there is still the little matter of a South African company running the show in a Kenyan company. Their record has been quite unimpressive!
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Rahatupu
#23 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:45:28 AM
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d'oh! Mukiha, talk of convolution spot on! The initial strategy of the entity as all-in-one shop seems to have flopped ama was this a CFC idea? Did Stanbic buy the strategy too? Could be na sasa its repercussions. It must deconvolute I agree. This way the financial services will not burden the otherwise "marginally performing" bank.

Du Toit should also be shown the door, this market si kama SA, to cope with the competition, as illustrated NIC,DTB,CBA out performed CFC Stanbic by far.
Fundaah
#24 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:43:31 AM
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Looks like the bad news have already been priced...
No significant price drop...Buy Now
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ProverB
#25 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:24:36 PM
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sparkly wrote:
ProverB wrote:
Teheheehehehhe..
I'm glad i stayed out.


@ProverB why laugh when you should be buying this distressed share! Bet against the market now and in One year you will be laughing all the way to the Bank ... Literary.


@sparkly... assuming we all have investment strategies... eg, low pe, growing eps..minimum ROE of 15% over several periods...etc.. define one that makes cfc a buy. please not banking on hopes that "one day it will do well".
..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
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Fundaah
#26 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:32:03 PM
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ProverB ...basing your investment decisions on past performance only ....is like driving with your eyes firmly fixed on the side mirror... The fall in eps was as a result of Ksh699million impairment of stocks ....This does not involve outcashflow and with the upbeat NSE this can be reversed....

http://www.businessweek....mpairment-update1-.html



http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/14wqvlk/-/index.html
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ProverB
#27 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:39:40 PM
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Fundaah wrote:
ProverB ...basing your investment decisions on past performance only ....is like driving with your eyes firmly fixed on the side mirror...

Fundaah..i'm no genius...but i do understand that.
it is wise to consider basis of were u "stand" before u step into the "future".... past performance reflects on management strategy..the same management you are entrusting the future with... if merger is f******D up the past will reveal..

compare managements excuse now to the optimism they had at end of 08!!!..slow down begun in 08..surely..any competent idiot would have mitigated the losses....if their misfortunes stem from stocks..imagine centum's results.
Fundaah... the only reason to buy cfc is that it cannot do any worse!!!..
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Fundaah
#28 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:43:41 PM
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ProverB wrote:
Fundaah... the only reason to buy cfc is that it cannot do any worse!!!..
..

fully agreed
..the stock is at or almost at its rock bottom
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ProverB
#29 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:47:41 PM
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Fundaah wrote:
ProverB wrote:
Fundaah... the only reason to buy cfc is that it cannot do any worse!!!..
..

fully agreed
..the stock is at or almost at its rock bottom



seriously...that cannot be the only basis to buy the stock!!!!..apart from Mukiha's assessment of the "De-merger" later on..why buy?
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Fundaah
#30 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:56:53 PM
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ProverB ...Im in currently not stocks ....I have no motivation to dig deeper for reasons why CFC is a buy ....but gut feeling tells me its a buy .. for those who are interested ...time will tell.....
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ProverB
#31 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:01:43 PM
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Fundaah wrote:
ProverB ...Im in currently not stocks ....I have no motivation to dig deeper for reasons why CFC is a buy ....but gut feeling tells me its a buy .. for those who are interested ...time will tell.....


ok.
On that note... i'm glad i stayed out. apart from Mukiha's approach..only hopes seem to justify buying..unfortunately that cannot be quantified into real cash.
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milken
#32 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:34:47 PM
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Typical of South African companies operating in Kenya? Enter with a bang results wapi!
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sparkly
#33 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:39:58 PM
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ProverB wrote:
sparkly wrote:
ProverB wrote:
Teheheehehehhe..
I'm glad i stayed out.


@ProverB why laugh when you should be buying this distressed share! Bet against the market now and in One year you will be laughing all the way to the Bank ... Literary.


@sparkly... assuming we all have investment strategies... eg, low pe, growing eps..minimum ROE of 15% over several periods...etc.. define one that makes cfc a buy. please not banking on hopes that "one day it will do well".


Those assets can be put to some good use. Thats my reason period. May be the most undervalued of the medium banks based on the net assets. You are free to disagree.
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VituVingiSana
#34 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:50:13 PM
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I am in agreement with @proverB coz the management has show sub-par performance... I would rather buy NIC or DTB...
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mukiha
#35 Posted : Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:04:24 PM
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Interestingly resilient at 43
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ProverB
#36 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:52:26 AM
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@sparkly... Good Asset base vs Non performing management.... i think management has bigger weight on influencing share holder value. thus my anti cfc stand... except maybe for speculative reasons.. "the bigger fool theory"..where you can always sell at higher price to a less informed buyer.
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guru267
#37 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:21:20 AM
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mukiha wrote:
Interestingly resilient at 43


the market must be pegging this years profit recovery against a recovery at the NSE...

another thing we must remember is that many of the costs were once off cost that wont appear on the P&L this year...
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ProverB
#38 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:29:41 AM
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guru267 wrote:
mukiha wrote:
Interestingly resilient at 43


the market must be pegging this years profit recovery against a recovery at the NSE...

another thing we must remember is that many of the costs were once off cost that wont appear on the P&L this year...



..may b its just because nobody really undestands whats goin on with cfc thus choosing to wait and see. I'd be apprehensive about assuming price behaviour as stamp of authority on company's overall performance. just me.
..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
- 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
guru267
#39 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:20:25 AM
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ProverB wrote:
..may b its just because nobody really undestands whats goin on with cfc thus choosing to wait and see. I'd be apprehensive about assuming price behaviour as stamp of authority on company's overall performance. just me.


those who dont understand just choose not to... CFC might as well be put in the same bracket as investment banks when it comes to turn over and perfomance of the NSE.. almost all investment banks posted losses..

another thing is that they made it very clear that they had many once off costs that arose from expansion and improvement of banking facilities...

all these are not going to appear anywhere in this years results... couple this with improved economy and NSE... the rest will play itself out
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Deuteronomy 4:16
Fundaah
#40 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:05:29 AM
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and today its at 44...
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