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murchr
#16 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:03:28 PM
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@Sparky, Laughing out loudly You will not be talking to your fridge rather, the fridge will be communicating with other devices with sensors to either run on "Safe Mode" so as to reduce the energy consumption because the electricity tokens you have might run out. A message might also be sent to your phone to alert you that you are about to run out of electricity.


1. Samsung has joined Microsoft and Amazon offering cloud services for IOT devices

2. Intel laid off 12000 employees who mainly dealt with the manufacture of PC chips and their focus is now on 5G technology, cloud computing

The wearables "fad" has not caught up well with Kenyans but if/when it does, insurance companies might offer incentives to those taking care of their health.

I don't know what direction the "Sema Doc" Safaricom service will take but imagine the analytics the service would provide to diabetics who take their blood sugar on daily basis...that data can be very vital for both the patient and doctor.

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mkenyan
#17 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2016 10:17:33 AM
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murchr wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@murchr
The internet of things is a good idea but what is the viability of it.
Do kenyans have the disposable income to avoid such luxuries.


IoT is nothing luxury. Having a phone is luxurious but about 80% of Kenyans own one. If you listen to Bob when he's presenting results, he always mentions the grown in smart phones right? He never says why but here is my guess.

Broadband Internet has become more widely available, the cost of connecting is decreasing, more devices are being created with Wi-Fi capabilities and sensors built into them, technology costs are going down, and smartphone penetration is sky-rocketing. This combination is creating a “perfect storm” for the IoT

IoT is basically connecting devices with each other. Imagine switching on your lights at home with your phone, recording TV programs in your DVR when you are not at home, that is already happening with Samsung devices. Recording exercise movements with wearables (I mentioned masukumas AfyaBand).

Uchumi CEO said in one interview that as technology changes, they are going to be looking more at target marketing. For example, right now, your bank details is available on phone right? So when you walk in the super market, as you look at the various tvs or fridges your phone is talking to these devices, checking your net-worth (bank details), if you can afford then, the for the next couple of days, the advertising that will be popping on your computer - phone (remember they are connected) will be more about this item of better alternative (if your wallet can afford) or cheaper alternatives (if your pockets are small).

IoT is already in use and will be more in use in Smart cities....i can go on and on...but do you get it....?

which phone/app/bank/idiot user allows their phone to share their bank details with supermarkets?
Pirate
#18 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2016 12:29:41 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@murchr
The internet of things is a good idea but what is the viability of it.
Do kenyans have the disposable income to avoid such luxuries.


IoT is nothing luxury. Having a phone is luxurious but about 80% of Kenyans own one. If you listen to Bob when he's presenting results, he always mentions the grown in smart phones right? He never says why but here is my guess.

Broadband Internet has become more widely available, the cost of connecting is decreasing, more devices are being created with Wi-Fi capabilities and sensors built into them, technology costs are going down, and smartphone penetration is sky-rocketing. This combination is creating a “perfect storm” for the IoT

IoT is basically connecting devices with each other. Imagine switching on your lights at home with your phone, recording TV programs in your DVR when you are not at home, that is already happening with Samsung devices. Recording exercise movements with wearables (I mentioned masukumas AfyaBand).

Uchumi CEO said in one interview that as technology changes, they are going to be looking more at target marketing. For example, right now, your bank details is available on phone right? So when you walk in the super market, as you look at the various tvs or fridges your phone is talking to these devices, checking your net-worth (bank details), if you can afford then, the for the next couple of days, the advertising that will be popping on your computer - phone (remember they are connected) will be more about this item of better alternative (if your wallet can afford) or cheaper alternatives (if your pockets are small).

IoT is already in use and will be more in use in Smart cities....i can go on and on...but do you get it....?

which phone/app/bank/idiot user allows their phone to share their bank details with supermarkets?


Picture yourself driving down Mombasa road , tailgating a truck at 80km/hr . Then suddenly the truck screeches to a halt!Before your subconscious (system 1 as is known) can respond , your car breaks itself... and so does the 3 cars behind you without any human intervention. connected cars. This is one of the major applications of IoT and only possible with 5G that will offer incredibly fast speed and reduced latency .. of course in conjunction with cloud computing.

The S-Class 2015 can override the driver if an obstacle appears on the road and break. But that's as good as it gets. The car behind will most certainly plough the merc.

Digital Health , Connected homes, application in agriculture, smart cities.. IoT/5G will disrupt current technology as we know it
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murchr
#19 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2016 2:27:20 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@murchr
The internet of things is a good idea but what is the viability of it.
Do kenyans have the disposable income to avoid such luxuries.


IoT is nothing luxury. Having a phone is luxurious but about 80% of Kenyans own one. If you listen to Bob when he's presenting results, he always mentions the grown in smart phones right? He never says why but here is my guess.

Broadband Internet has become more widely available, the cost of connecting is decreasing, more devices are being created with Wi-Fi capabilities and sensors built into them, technology costs are going down, and smartphone penetration is sky-rocketing. This combination is creating a “perfect storm” for the IoT

IoT is basically connecting devices with each other. Imagine switching on your lights at home with your phone, recording TV programs in your DVR when you are not at home, that is already happening with Samsung devices. Recording exercise movements with wearables (I mentioned masukumas AfyaBand).

Uchumi CEO said in one interview that as technology changes, they are going to be looking more at target marketing. For example, right now, your bank details is available on phone right? So when you walk in the super market, as you look at the various tvs or fridges your phone is talking to these devices, checking your net-worth (bank details), if you can afford then, the for the next couple of days, the advertising that will be popping on your computer - phone (remember they are connected) will be more about this item of better alternative (if your wallet can afford) or cheaper alternatives (if your pockets are small).

IoT is already in use and will be more in use in Smart cities....i can go on and on...but do you get it....?

which phone/app/bank/idiot user allows their phone to share their bank details with supermarkets?


Are your bank details on your phone? Your phone will be talking to the device and sharing data. (M2M - Machine to machine (M2M) is a broad label that can be used to describe any technology that enables networked devices to exchange information and perform actions without the manual assistance of humans.)
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Cornelius Vanderbilt
#20 Posted : Saturday, April 30, 2016 3:53:36 PM
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Internet of things will NEVER take off in Kenya for instance if i have to search earth and sky to get the raspberrypi2.i should be going to any electronics shop in cbd and get myself the latest rapsberrypi3 with no hustle.
alma1
#21 Posted : Saturday, April 30, 2016 3:57:37 PM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Internet of things will NEVER take off in Kenya for instance if i have to search earth and sky to get the raspberrypi2.i should be going to any electronics shop in cbd and get myself the latest rapsberrypi3 with no hustle.


The internet of things has nothing to do with Kenya. Unless you are that Mutua fellow at film board, you know you are wrong.

The internet is the internet.

the only way to stop the internet of things is to stop the internet. When Kenyans learn how to stop the internet, I shall listen.

Life changed, now get used to it.

Saying that to someone who's so busy saying the internet won't work but busy posting his opinions on the internet.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#22 Posted : Saturday, April 30, 2016 4:07:39 PM
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alma1 wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Internet of things will NEVER take off in Kenya for instance if i have to search earth and sky to get the raspberrypi2.i should be going to any electronics shop in cbd and get myself the latest rapsberrypi3 with no hustle.


The internet of things has nothing to do with Kenya. Unless you are that Mutua fellow at film board, you know you are wrong.

The internet is the internet.

the only way to stop the internet of things is to stop the internet. When Kenyans learn how to stop the internet, I shall listen.

Life changed, now get used to it.

Saying that to someone who's so busy saying the internet won't work but busy posting his opinions on the internet.


Does the average Kamau know what a Raspberry Pi is leave alone what its used for? Laughing out loudly Kweli huyu Cornelius ni Mutua tu.

ION:

The floods and eventual collapse of a house in Huruma are demonstrations that we indeed need to adapt smart initiatives to solve these problems.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Anbu
#23 Posted : Saturday, April 30, 2016 9:14:29 PM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Internet of things will NEVER take off in Kenya for instance if i have to search earth and sky to get the raspberrypi2.i should be going to any electronics shop in cbd and get myself the latest rapsberrypi3 with no hustle.


These things are readily available if you know where to look. If you can't find I'd be happy to get it for you.
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MunyaoTrader
#24 Posted : Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:49:44 PM
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Internet of things (as I explained to my two year old son) is when electronic gadgets or machines communicate with each other to produce products and provide services without human intervention. For example, when you park your car, the coffee maker pours you a hot cup before you arrive at your desk.
Ash Ock
#25 Posted : Tuesday, May 03, 2016 10:35:23 PM
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MunyaoTrader wrote:
Internet of things (as I explained to my two year old son) is when electronic gadgets or machines communicate with each other to produce products and provide services without human intervention. For example, when you park your car, the coffee maker pours you a hot cup before you arrive at your desk.


Without an AI (Artificial Intelligence) to work with the humongous amounts of data to be generated, the IoT is meaningless as it currently stands.
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murchr
#26 Posted : Wednesday, May 04, 2016 12:24:02 AM
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Ash Ock wrote:
MunyaoTrader wrote:
Internet of things (as I explained to my two year old son) is when electronic gadgets or machines communicate with each other to produce products and provide services without human intervention. For example, when you park your car, the coffee maker pours you a hot cup before you arrive at your desk.


Without an AI (Artificial Intelligence) to work with the humongous amounts of data to be generated, the IoT is meaningless as it currently stands.


@Trader, your example is in the further future.

@Ash Ock AI has been in existence for a while. But IOT can/is/will exist with minimal to no AI.

What is needed is sensors, internet (wi-fi or bluetooth)

Examples of IoT

1. Most of the cars manufactured in 2014 and later can connect with your mobile phone (smart phone) and you can receive and make calls, read messages and emails with your phone in the pocket .

2. IF you are in a town well covered in maps your car can alert you incase you are running low in petrol and from maps, it can calculate how long it will take to get to the next pump.

3. Waze - app that tells your phone where accidents have been noted and reported.

4. Self driving cars

5. Nest - The famous app that detects smoke and CO2 in the house.

6. Tile App - Add-on to keys and other valuables using bluetooth for used to find lost/misplaced keys

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Ash Ock
#27 Posted : Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:26:22 PM
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murchr wrote:
@Trader, your example is in the further future.

@Ash Ock AI has been in existence for a while. But IOT can/is/will exist with minimal to no AI.

What is needed is sensors, internet (wi-fi or bluetooth)

Examples of IoT

1. Most of the cars manufactured in 2014 and later can connect with your mobile phone (smart phone) and you can receive and make calls, read messages and emails with your phone in the pocket .

2. IF you are in a town well covered in maps your car can alert you incase you are running low in petrol and from maps, it can calculate how long it will take to get to the next pump.

3. Waze - app that tells your phone where accidents have been noted and reported.

4. Self driving cars

5. Nest - The famous app that detects smoke and CO2 in the house.

6. Tile App - Add-on to keys and other valuables using bluetooth for used to find lost/misplaced keys


The current AI we have is very limited, what is called ANI (Artificial Narrow Intelligence) like Siri or Google Now, with very limited capabilities. This ANI (Google Maps) would have told you it was a good idea to drive through Thika road last week during the downpour. It does not have all the data available and, even it it had, how would it analyze that data to come up with the correct recommendation? That's exactly what AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) or ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence) is striving to do.

For IoT to really work as intended, the connected software needs to be able to analyze all the incoming data, which experts are hoping to achieve within the next 20 - ? years.

Here are some interesting articles:

1. IoT Won’t Work Without Artificial Intelligence

2. When IoT Meets Artificial Intelligence

3. How Artificial Intelligence Will Kickstart the Internet of Things

4. US Whitehouse release: Preparing for the Future of Artificial Intelligence

In short, the amount of data the IoT will be producing is going to be immense (exponential growth). Trying to make sense of it is going to be very difficult next to impossible without AGI or ASI.


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murchr
#28 Posted : Wednesday, May 04, 2016 5:12:57 PM
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Ash Ock wrote:
murchr wrote:
@Trader, your example is in the further future.

@Ash Ock AI has been in existence for a while. But IOT can/is/will exist with minimal to no AI.

What is needed is sensors, internet (wi-fi or bluetooth)

Examples of IoT

1. Most of the cars manufactured in 2014 and later can connect with your mobile phone (smart phone) and you can receive and make calls, read messages and emails with your phone in the pocket .

2. IF you are in a town well covered in maps your car can alert you incase you are running low in petrol and from maps, it can calculate how long it will take to get to the next pump.

3. Waze - app that tells your phone where accidents have been noted and reported.

4. Self driving cars

5. Nest - The famous app that detects smoke and CO2 in the house.

6. Tile App - Add-on to keys and other valuables using bluetooth for used to find lost/misplaced keys


The current AI we have is very limited, what is called ANI (Artificial Narrow Intelligence) like Siri or Google Now, with very limited capabilities. This ANI (Google Maps) would have told you it was a good idea to drive through Thika road last week during the downpour. It does not have all the data available and, even it it had, how would it analyze that data to come up with the correct recommendation? That's exactly what AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) or ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence) is striving to do.

For IoT to really work as intended, the connected software needs to be able to analyze all the incoming data, which experts are hoping to achieve within the next 20 - ? years.

Here are some interesting articles:

1. IoT Won’t Work Without Artificial Intelligence

2. When IoT Meets Artificial Intelligence

3. How Artificial Intelligence Will Kickstart the Internet of Things

4. US Whitehouse release: Preparing for the Future of Artificial Intelligence

In short, the amount of data the IoT will be producing is going to be immense (exponential growth). Trying to make sense of it is going to be very difficult next to impossible without AGI or ASI.




I think the thika road example is very poor since its a work in progress I mean, have they even completed mapping and identifying spots? IoT is already in play as shown on the graph you pasted and growing in stages, the pessimists will always have something to say, remember they even said that the Ipad will not take off because its useless since laptops are serving the purpose, but look at what the giants are doing. Apple, Google, Dell, AT&T, Samsung, Amazon, Microsoft, Bosch, Cisco, GE, Huawei, Hitachi, LG and the list is endless. If IoT capable devices become the standard (as championed by Samsung) the rest will be forced to follow the tow. Data can only make sense when analyzed by humans. The argument that an AI machine has to analyze the data for IoT to succeed is rather laughable, i don't doubt there will be plenty of that, but trend has began and there's more to come.
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Ash Ock
#29 Posted : Wednesday, May 04, 2016 5:45:13 PM
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murchr wrote:


I think the thika road example is very poor since its a work in progress I mean, have they even completed mapping and identifying spots? IoT is already in play as shown on the graph you pasted and growing in stages, the pessimists will always have something to say, remember they even said that the Ipad will not take off because its useless since laptops are serving the purpose, but look at what the giants are doing. Apple, Google, Dell, AT&T, Samsung, Amazon, Microsoft, Bosch, Cisco, GE, Huawei, Hitachi, LG and the list is endless. If IoT capable devices become the standard (as championed by Samsung) the rest will be forced to follow the tow. Data can only make sense when analyzed by humans. The argument that an AI machine has to analyze the data for IoT to succeed is rather laughable, i don't doubt there will be plenty of that, but trend has began and there's more to come.


Whoa, hold on there murchr, I'm not a pessimist. I'm one of the one's who can't wait for ASI to become a reality (not like Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak says humans will be robots' pets Laughing out loudly ).

The point about the ASI becoming necessary for the IoT to work is the amount of data needed to be analyzed. Let me quote from a couple of the articles I linked above:

Quote:
IoT will produce a tsunami of big data, with the rapid expansion of devices and sensors connected to the Internet of Things continues, the sheer volume of data being created by them will increase to an astronomical level. This data will hold extremely valuable insights into what’s working well or what’s not.


I'm sure you'll agree analyzing this mountain of data is going to be a completely hopeless task for humans to achieve. The Thika road analogy I presented is exactly that: we had massive information streaming in during the rains yet we humans were not able to get that information out in real time to the road users, whether by twitter, FB, or any of the means we're currently using today. I personally would be too slow, opening up Twitter/Facebook, typing the message, correcting the errors if any, then pressing send etc.

Quote:
As the rapid expansion of devices and sensors connected to the Internet of Things continues, the sheer volume of data being created by them will increase to a mind-boggling level. This data will hold extremely valuable insight into what’s working well or what’s not – pointing out conflicts that arise and providing high-value insight into new business risks and opportunities as correlations and associations are made.


Even today, analyzing relatively "little" data like Facebook or Twitter do with users data (using ANI), is completely impossible for us humans to do within a reasonable time frame. Yet ANI is very limited in its very narrow application field.



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murchr
#30 Posted : Wednesday, May 04, 2016 6:23:13 PM
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Ash Ock wrote:
murchr wrote:


I think the thika road example is very poor since its a work in progress I mean, have they even completed mapping and identifying spots? IoT is already in play as shown on the graph you pasted and growing in stages, the pessimists will always have something to say, remember they even said that the Ipad will not take off because its useless since laptops are serving the purpose, but look at what the giants are doing. Apple, Google, Dell, AT&T, Samsung, Amazon, Microsoft, Bosch, Cisco, GE, Huawei, Hitachi, LG and the list is endless. If IoT capable devices become the standard (as championed by Samsung) the rest will be forced to follow the tow. Data can only make sense when analyzed by humans. The argument that an AI machine has to analyze the data for IoT to succeed is rather laughable, i don't doubt there will be plenty of that, but trend has began and there's more to come.


Whoa, hold on there murchr, I'm not a pessimist. I'm one of the one's who can't wait for ASI to become a reality (not like Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak says humans will be robots' pets Laughing out loudly ).

The point about the ASI becoming necessary for the IoT to work is the amount of data needed to be analyzed. Let me quote from a couple of the articles I linked above:

Quote:
IoT will produce a tsunami of big data, with the rapid expansion of devices and sensors connected to the Internet of Things continues, the sheer volume of data being created by them will increase to an astronomical level. This data will hold extremely valuable insights into what’s working well or what’s not.


I'm sure you'll agree analyzing this mountain of data is going to be a completely hopeless task for humans to achieve. The Thika road analogy I presented is exactly that: we had massive information streaming in during the rains yet we humans were not able to get that information out in real time to the road users, whether by twitter, FB, or any of the means we're currently using today. I personally would be too slow, opening up Twitter/Facebook, typing the message, correcting the errors if any, then pressing send etc.

Quote:
As the rapid expansion of devices and sensors connected to the Internet of Things continues, the sheer volume of data being created by them will increase to a mind-boggling level. This data will hold extremely valuable insight into what’s working well or what’s not – pointing out conflicts that arise and providing high-value insight into new business risks and opportunities as correlations and associations are made.


Even today, analyzing relatively "little" data like Facebook or Twitter do with users data (using ANI), is completely impossible for us humans to do within a reasonable time frame. Yet ANI is very limited in its very narrow application field.





Actually, I never meant that you are the pessimist. The writer of the wired article is. As for thika road. First things first.

Am sure you have visited other cities with better infrastructure....then you know thika road is not even close to anything modern, I mean a road with no HOV lane and side lane where a car needing road assistance can tow to...so even if it was mapped and a car gets into an accident, getting to that vehicle will still be problematic (no real time response is possible) because of the traffic pile up. So even in the rain, even if the road was flooded, all we Kenyans could say is Thika road is flooded get amazed, complain and keep going. No solution would be forthcoming. In what is now a perfect highway(there's room for improvement), there would be people watching traffic as it moves, and reporting like in this case or this case and in congested situations so we're still very far from modern. This technology is old. In a perfect world a GPS would give you more than one way of getting to your destination and give you details of the time you will take on the road depending on the traffic and incidents reported.

As for big data, we have not even utilized the capacity of an Oracle database with all the data in the world and surely you cant assume that people are sitting and waiting do you?

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I'm sure you'll agree analyzing this mountain of data is going to be a completely hopeless task for humans to achieve. The Thika road analogy I presented is exactly that: we had massive information streaming in during the rains yet we humans were not able to get that information out in real time to the road users, whether by twitter, FB, or any of the means we're currently using today. I personally would be too slow, opening up Twitter/Facebook, typing the message, correcting the errors if any, then pressing send etc.


You wouldn't need to, your phone will communicate to you through your car. Any bluetooth enabled toyota can do that
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