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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:limanika wrote:There's space time and then there's matter, that's the natural. Then there's the supernatural. That's all. I'm thinking about all these ideas and please allow me to ask: 1. How do you know this statement is true? 2. Why is it important for you to be having belief in these assertions? Tycho: allow me to give my take on these questions, base on the earlier point about observer dependent reality: If we accept that everyone interprets reality in their own unique way, then it would follow that any interaction between us is an effort to seek areas of observation overlap, a consensus estimate of more than one observation, reducing them to something we can agree on. Without this, communication, or even existence in a common space/time frame would be impossible. It is likely that if there was nothing we could agree on, you and I would be practically invisible to each other. But, ultimately your truth remains yours and mine remains mine, even after the overlap. It is therefore possible for us to disagree and still be both correct. In fact it is likely that this is what happens most of the time. As for why all this is important, I can only answer this with the same question posed about mountains: why do people climb mountains? Ans. because they are there. Owning a body, a brain, the senses, intuition...the magnificent tools we have, and not using them to the ultimate is like buying a Ferrari and then driving it at 5Km per hour. Nothing wrong with it, but that is not what Ferrari's are meant for. I agree with you on the question of overlap and our quest for it and even the validity of various truths. Where we differ is why such activity is important. To put it into perspective, this activity is called philosophizing, and is it true that one will philosophize simply because he/she can? Humans philosophize because they must! I don't see where we disagree Tycho. We have the tools to philosophize, so we do. Some more than others of course. My pet peeve is about those who barely use those wonderful tools and allow all sorts of religious charlatans and politicians to do the philosophizing for them. But that is just me. True. Besides, there's no point for ever disagreeing. And still disagreeing isn't bad...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:Impunity wrote:masukuma wrote:I once someone once ask... so if I lost a hand and went to heaven - will the new body have the hand? the answer was YES.
So if someone had an intervention - like a nose job done and he loved it! what would happen? or even if someone had breast implants - will they go back to the small/big ones you had? Will Rooney keep his hair? What if i had gold teeth and liked them? Hizo fikira zako zote ni vanity! boss.... kama hujui jibu... lenga swali ama useme "sijui". there is no shame! really! no shame at all ni saying you don't know. it's not the only thing you don't know! by the way why do we demean, trivialise and belittle the only vessel we know for ourselves? we belittle it in such a way that we seem to see it as an enemy within or at best a necessary evil that has to accompany us. unknowingly we despise the one thing you have a long term commitment to! Commitment to the body is a delusion. When one sees the delusion then he gets to heaven. Even with one hand. interestingly enough it's parts of our bodies that tell us this garbage and create these delusions so that they can grasp, accept and "place a finger" on meaning in a random chaotic universe devoid of any purpose. The universe may be devoid of purpose, and yes we rely on the body to experience reality. But relations and how they're formed are beyond the body. Does man have any locus stadi to argue 'universe is devoid of purpose '. I think he doesn't have. Only the creator knows the purpose for which everything was created and how everything fits in the jig saw puzzle. For instance, remove the sun, moon, some of the planet's in solar system and life will end on earth. Who knows the entire role played by all other planetary bodies out there in keeping gravitation and solar system intact? Man has 'locus standi' to say anything and everything. The 'acid test' is whether intelligence is optimized or not.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:
Does man have any locus stadi to argue 'universe is devoid of purpose '. I think he doesn't have. Only the creator knows the purpose for which everything was created and how everything fits in the jig saw puzzle. For instance, remove the sun, moon, some of the planet's in solar system and life will end on earth. Who knows the entire role played by all other planetary bodies out there in keeping gravitation and solar system intact?
reverse engineering purpose will always delude one. Was I meant (purposed) to be born? All the happenstances that led to my birth delude me to that fact. What if my mum just decided "ha feel my dad"? would I be born? We propergate our need to have a purpose back across time... our ansestors lived and did everything they did (good and bad) so that it may all terminate here and now... with us! I don't believe so... nature is random... there is no purpose to it other than it exists. the hand was not made for the glove! the glove was made for the hand! we were purposed by our parents but not that our parent's sole purpose was to make us. All the planetary movements, all the gazzilion chances and mischances gave rise to us and not by design! no one is minding the store... we are just naturally here like animals... just with a brain that clocks faster. purpose is however a useful delusion - it keeps us going forward.... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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harrydre wrote:sisi ni 'watu' wadogo sana!!
That said, why is the area around the 'earth' dark? what about the other planets and objects some even larger than the earth? Not really, it depends on your point of view. We are quite big compared to the sun. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:harrydre wrote:sisi ni 'watu' wadogo sana!!
That said, why is the area around the 'earth' dark? what about the other planets and objects some even larger than the earth? Not really, it depends on your point of view. We are quite big compared to the sun. my finger looks bigger than the sun when i place it in front of my eye! we used to call it "perspective" in art and craft! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Is it that some here think big or bigger is better or more meaningful?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Is it that some here think big or bigger is better or more meaningful?  Well, "bigger" is just that "bigger" - a matter of fact, "better" is just that "better" - a matter of opinion, "more meaningful" is just that "more meaningful" - a matter of perception All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Is it that some here think big or bigger is better or more meaningful? Well, "bigger" is just that "bigger" - a matter of fact, "better" is just that "better" - a matter of opinion, "more meaningful" is just that "more meaningful" - a matter of perception Facts, opinions and perceptions. To know; difference, contrast all these are based on identity...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Is it that some here think big or bigger is better or more meaningful? Well, "bigger" is just that "bigger" - a matter of fact, "better" is just that "better" - a matter of opinion, "more meaningful" is just that "more meaningful" - a matter of perception Facts, opinions and perceptions. To know; difference, contrast all these are based on identity... indeed.... remind me again why this conversation appears underneath the topic "Pale Blue Dot"? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Everytime I read this and other similar threads, I find them very interesting, but then I am left wondering where you people find the time to dig up all this information. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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