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Sin and Atonement among the Gikuyu – Thahu & Mugiro
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Cornelius Vanderbilt
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:50:57 AM
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masukuma wrote:
by the way... what's the point of this topic? knowledge or practicality? Snakes, Karoga fea? Kites? hizo zilikuwa njaro za wazee kukula!


hey if you have nothing constructive to say you can always contribute here.am sure you have allot of ideas.its where you get to think with your ding dong

http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=14991
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Mtu Biz
#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:22:14 AM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?


why does your tribe preserve its customs and traditions?? stop asking stupid questions. how old are u?


@Cornelius

The back of my ID reads thus.

District: Thika
Division: Gatundu
Location: Ngenda
sub-location: Githungucu

I'am 37 years old.

I believe my question is valid.

Jaribu kunijibu bila tu feelings.
Sola Scriptura
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masukuma
#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:28:05 AM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
masukuma wrote:
by the way... what's the point of this topic? knowledge or practicality? Snakes, Karoga fea? Kites? hizo zilikuwa njaro za wazee kukula!


hey if you have nothing constructive to say you can always contribute here.am sure you have allot of ideas.its where you get to think with your ding dong

http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=14991

Nani alikufanya prefect wazua? I will belittle this thread and any other thread until ugundue it's stupid to tell us that it's taboo for Men to sleep "on the side by the outer wall of his wife’s bed"! or Mbariki require cleansing! Just because our ignorant ancestors believed this does not mean you should tether your brain and beat it up to believe this nonsense. Even your father does not believe this crap.... why should you?

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Young unmarried girls who are circumcised may not sit on the Kweru side of the kitchen but must sit on their bed side. All grown men had to sit on the Ruri side of the hut.

WTF!!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Moorings
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:57:17 PM
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" Vanderbilt, Tell us more ....nice piece
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tycho
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:13:47 PM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?


why does your tribe preserve its customs and traditions?? stop asking stupid questions. how old are u?


@Cornelius

The back of my ID reads thus.

District: Thika
Division: Gatundu
Location: Ngenda
sub-location: Githungucu

I'am 37 years old.

I believe my question is valid.

Jaribu kunijibu bila tu feelings.


Let me contribute on these 'customs'. Firstly they aren't exclusive to the Agikuyu- at least many of them. And their importance is for ordering life and coexistence so that the needs the users are met, and events threatening disorder to the society can be rectified without causing social breakdown, or dis-ease to the members of the society.

Rites and rituals are activities and events that get into the spiritual realm where all energy passes before the mind and the body, and elaborating them promotes health by unifying experience and action.

The point of contention is how a society defines itself and what customs and rituals to use. Currently I doubt if the Agikuyu are a society. They are more of a community and hence their customs and traditions may be so heavily eroded. And there's no need for going back to what's already been overtaken by time and events.

But what remains of the Mugikuyu in the cosmopolitan setting? Or the Jaruo? This is where voodoo comes in. And African versions of Christianity or Islam because the mistake that was made by the Colonialists was to confuse religion for custom. Apparently, even @Cornelius seems to be making the same mistake going by the title of the thread.
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masukuma
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:27:46 PM
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tycho wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?


why does your tribe preserve its customs and traditions?? stop asking stupid questions. how old are u?


@Cornelius

The back of my ID reads thus.

District: Thika
Division: Gatundu
Location: Ngenda
sub-location: Githungucu

I'am 37 years old.

I believe my question is valid.

Jaribu kunijibu bila tu feelings.


Let me contribute on these 'customs'. Firstly they aren't exclusive to the Agikuyu- at least many of them. And their importance is for ordering life and coexistence so that the needs the users are met, and events threatening disorder to the society can be rectified without causing social breakdown, or dis-ease to the members of the society.

Rites and rituals are activities and events that get into the spiritual realm where all energy passes before the mind and the body, and elaborating them promotes health by unifying experience and action.

The point of contention is how a society defines itself and what customs and rituals to use. Currently I doubt if the Agikuyu are a society. They are more of a community and hence their customs and traditions may be so heavily eroded. And there's no need for going back to what's already been overtaken by time and events.

But what remains of the Mugikuyu in the cosmopolitan setting? Or the Jaruo? This is where voodoo comes in. And African versions of Christianity or Islam because the mistake that was made by the Colonialists was to confuse religion for custom. Apparently, even @Cornelius seems to be making the same mistake going by the title of the thread.

The Agikuyu are an ethnic grouping... that's all. Some don't even speak the language and have no interest to do so. it's just a grouping of people based on common ancestry - time does not have a reverse gear. Some of these customs have been heavily eroded by time and living that todays context that they are all but dead! even our grand parents did not practice them.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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tycho
#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 8:46:44 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?


why does your tribe preserve its customs and traditions?? stop asking stupid questions. how old are u?


@Cornelius

The back of my ID reads thus.

District: Thika
Division: Gatundu
Location: Ngenda
sub-location: Githungucu

I'am 37 years old.

I believe my question is valid.

Jaribu kunijibu bila tu feelings.


Let me contribute on these 'customs'. Firstly they aren't exclusive to the Agikuyu- at least many of them. And their importance is for ordering life and coexistence so that the needs the users are met, and events threatening disorder to the society can be rectified without causing social breakdown, or dis-ease to the members of the society.

Rites and rituals are activities and events that get into the spiritual realm where all energy passes before the mind and the body, and elaborating them promotes health by unifying experience and action.

The point of contention is how a society defines itself and what customs and rituals to use. Currently I doubt if the Agikuyu are a society. They are more of a community and hence their customs and traditions may be so heavily eroded. And there's no need for going back to what's already been overtaken by time and events.

But what remains of the Mugikuyu in the cosmopolitan setting? Or the Jaruo? This is where voodoo comes in. And African versions of Christianity or Islam because the mistake that was made by the Colonialists was to confuse religion for custom. Apparently, even @Cornelius seems to be making the same mistake going by the title of the thread.

The Agikuyu are an ethnic grouping... that's all. Some don't even speak the language and have no interest to do so. it's just a grouping of people based on common ancestry - time does not have a reverse gear. Some of these customs have been heavily eroded by time and living that todays context that they are all but dead! even our grand parents did not practice them.


There's positive value in the customs because they are a basis for development.
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masukuma
#18 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:17:46 AM
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tycho wrote:

There's positive value in the customs because they are a basis for development.

customs and traditions are fluid! moving at glacial speeds but fluid! they are not cast in stone! the brains that birthed these customs and traditions were liberal, free thinking brains of their day. they gave the best explanations and answers to their circumstances and convinced others. following customs and traditions was considered prima facie wise! The problem arises when we have better understanding and insight on matters then knowingly tether our brains and beat them to submission to accept worldviews of people who had not travelled 100kms away from their homesteads. if the liberal and free thinking brains that came up with these ideas would slap you on the back of your head for being so silly! if they understood exactly what you understood and still chose to live an inferior life. I think the identification of customs and traditions as identity markers came later - Identity was not the reason they existed in the first place. Let me give you a contemporary example.
Eating ugali with hands - we don't think about it, we just chomp through it... it's a practice. When we see a person asking for a fork and knife we look at them strangely. The reason we eat ugali with our hands is for practicality purposes not for identification. We don't want people seated around a table and then using it as a marker.... (especially when it's not meal time).
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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