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Wakanyugi wrote:limanika wrote:tycho wrote:limanika wrote:tycho wrote:limanika wrote:There's space time and then there's matter, that's the natural. Then there's the supernatural. That's all. I'm thinking about all these ideas and please allow me to ask: 1. How do you know this statement is true? 2. Why is it important for you to be having belief in these assertions? Look within. What does your conscience tell you about these things. If it were the question of introspection then you can be assured that I'm doing it. My questions however are directed at the results of your own introspection. The beauty is that you'll find the truth by yourself when you search truthfully and genuinely - through interaction with environment as well as other beings. And then everyone is given the gift of free will, to choose without coercion. Man is really a masterpiece, a very enviable creature in all of creation. But his heart is very deceptive. I have found the first statement to be true in my experience. Every important question I had, I have found an answer if I genuinely sought for one. Sometimes the answers come in very strange ways. As for the heart being deceptive, my experience has been just the opposite. The things I have felt through 'the heart' have turned out to be more true than those I found through reason or sometimes even observation. Looking back on the big mistakes of my life I always find this statement hanging like permanent accusation 'I knew this was a bad idea.' I most often get into trouble when I ignore my heart in favor of my head. For me, everyone has a sense of right/wrong, what we call conscience, put right there by the Master designer. But that people choose to do wrong when they know what is right and should have done in the stead is the very reason 'human heart is full of deceit'. Deceit in this case meaning trying to justify / cheat oneself/others that the wrong act is justified for one reason or other, when your conscience is clearly 'shouting' the contrary
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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All these guys who die and come back describe traveling through space... i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:limanika wrote:There's space time and then there's matter, that's the natural. Then there's the supernatural. That's all. I'm thinking about all these ideas and please allow me to ask: 1. How do you know this statement is true? 2. Why is it important for you to be having belief in these assertions? Tycho: allow me to give my take on these questions, base on the earlier point about observer dependent reality: If we accept that everyone interprets reality in their own unique way, then it would follow that any interaction between us is an effort to seek areas of observation overlap, a consensus estimate of more than one observation, reducing them to something we can agree on. Without this, communication, or even existence in a common space/time frame would be impossible. It is likely that if there was nothing we could agree on, you and I would be practically invisible to each other. But, ultimately your truth remains yours and mine remains mine, even after the overlap. It is therefore possible for us to disagree and still be both correct. In fact it is likely that this is what happens most of the time. As for why all this is important, I can only answer this with the same question posed about mountains: why do people climb mountains? Ans. because they are there. Owning a body, a brain, the senses, intuition...the magnificent tools we have, and not using them to the ultimate is like buying a Ferrari and then driving it at 5Km per hour. Nothing wrong with it, but that is not what Ferrari's are meant for. Your reality, based on observation, or my reality, for that matter is not necessarily absolute. Our perception of reality is based on gift of the 'senses'. Hence the gift giver decides what you perceive. The 'gift' giver changes the 'senses' and voila.. you're in a different reality altogether
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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someone should asking him... in his minds eye - how old was he? was he as he is now? younger? older? is the "body" that he had uniform? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:someone should asking him... in his minds eye - how old was he? was he as he is now? younger? older? is the "body" that he had uniform? @Masukuma, most of this issues are not only mystified but made bones of contention while actually they are neither mysterious nor causes for conflict. Taking LSD can cause a mystical experience, but scientists are now getting to understand how the brain works at such moments...(just an example). Finally, belief will never be uniform across a community or society. Minds develop at different rates and using different metaphors across time. So how to judge this pastor for example? By considering his overall experience and the peculiarity of his existence and adjusting it to your own-and or vice versa.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:limanika wrote:There's space time and then there's matter, that's the natural. Then there's the supernatural. That's all. I'm thinking about all these ideas and please allow me to ask: 1. How do you know this statement is true? 2. Why is it important for you to be having belief in these assertions? Tycho: allow me to give my take on these questions, base on the earlier point about observer dependent reality: If we accept that everyone interprets reality in their own unique way, then it would follow that any interaction between us is an effort to seek areas of observation overlap, a consensus estimate of more than one observation, reducing them to something we can agree on. Without this, communication, or even existence in a common space/time frame would be impossible. It is likely that if there was nothing we could agree on, you and I would be practically invisible to each other. But, ultimately your truth remains yours and mine remains mine, even after the overlap. It is therefore possible for us to disagree and still be both correct. In fact it is likely that this is what happens most of the time. As for why all this is important, I can only answer this with the same question posed about mountains: why do people climb mountains? Ans. because they are there. Owning a body, a brain, the senses, intuition...the magnificent tools we have, and not using them to the ultimate is like buying a Ferrari and then driving it at 5Km per hour. Nothing wrong with it, but that is not what Ferrari's are meant for. I agree with you on the question of overlap and our quest for it and even the validity of various truths. Where we differ is why such activity is important. To put it into perspective, this activity is called philosophizing, and is it true that one will philosophize simply because he/she can? Humans philosophize because they must!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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I once someone once ask... so if I lost a hand and went to heaven - will the new body have the hand? the answer was YES. So if someone had an intervention - like a nose job done and he loved it! what would happen? or even if someone had breast implants - will they go back to the small/big ones you had? Will Rooney keep his hair? What if i had gold teeth and liked them? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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masukuma wrote:I once someone once ask... so if I lost a hand and went to heaven - will the new body have the hand? the answer was YES.
So if someone had an intervention - like a nose job done and he loved it! what would happen? or even if someone had breast implants - will they go back to the small/big ones you had? Will Rooney keep his hair? What if i had gold teeth and liked them? Hizo fikira zako zote ni vanity! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:masukuma wrote:I once someone once ask... so if I lost a hand and went to heaven - will the new body have the hand? the answer was YES.
So if someone had an intervention - like a nose job done and he loved it! what would happen? or even if someone had breast implants - will they go back to the small/big ones you had? Will Rooney keep his hair? What if i had gold teeth and liked them? Hizo fikira zako zote ni vanity! boss.... kama hujui jibu... lenga swali ama useme "sijui". there is no shame! really! no shame at all ni saying you don't know. it's not the only thing you don't know! by the way why do we demean, trivialise and belittle the only vessel we know for ourselves? we belittle it in such a way that we seem to see it as an enemy within or at best a necessary evil that has to accompany us. unknowingly we despise the one thing you have a long term commitment to! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Impunity wrote:masukuma wrote:I once someone once ask... so if I lost a hand and went to heaven - will the new body have the hand? the answer was YES.
So if someone had an intervention - like a nose job done and he loved it! what would happen? or even if someone had breast implants - will they go back to the small/big ones you had? Will Rooney keep his hair? What if i had gold teeth and liked them? Hizo fikira zako zote ni vanity! boss.... kama hujui jibu... lenga swali ama useme "sijui". there is no shame! really! no shame at all ni saying you don't know. it's not the only thing you don't know! by the way why do we demean, trivialise and belittle the only vessel we know for ourselves? we belittle it in such a way that we seem to see it as an enemy within or at best a necessary evil that has to accompany us. unknowingly we despise the one thing you have a long term commitment to! Commitment to the body is a delusion. When one sees the delusion then he gets to heaven. Even with one hand.
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