@Njunge

I get tired listening to idiots.

We shall pass this constitution. Then they can come to me and I might actually sign their petition for this issue or other issues that I have a big problem with especially the cops striking issue.

However, expecting me to wait for the second coming of Jesus to get rid of this upus of a constitution we have is going way waaaaay waaaaay to far.

@ali if you expect me to believe that a pastor who rigged an election has been sent by God, then you have a big big problem.

Like one wetangula put's it in a "democratic" language, When the draft went to Parliament, some MP's were "resting their eyes".

Its obvious from the debate that only a few contentious issues exists. But are they significant?. There is alot of ignorance and hipocracy on those who are calling themselves "pro-life" or "Suprior Religion" Fanatics.

My position remains unchanged, ...i will not vote, neither am i registering as a voter. The Damn thing will go through wheather the constitutional pudicts or religious Leaders likes it or not.

Come end year, kenyans will have something else to talk about after all this constitution mess is cleared.

BTW when will it take effect?

@Jaina

A poem for you

'First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.'
by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

@Nanfor,

Go easy. If they don't agree with you that doesnt necessary means you label them idiots. Tolerance my sister. Remember u still got one vote like everyone else!

Good people

It is true the church pastors and priests have their point and have a reason for their opinion. It is important to listen to their views and which i do. but asking me to vote according to their opinion is stripping my right as a kenyan to make my own decision, to be heard on my opinion on what I believe is good for me and my generation. The fact that we have leaders, church or politicians, does not and should not give us an excuse to stop thinking for ourselves.

so, both church leaders and politicians have the right to tell us what they think of the katiba, but saying that they will rally their people to shoot down the katiba is where we part ways. Let the people decide. Even the Son of Man that they follow did not force anyone to follow him..... he gave them freedom to choose. For example, i still maintain that abortion issue is really a moral issue and not a legal issue. It does not matter whether it is criminalized in the constitution or not, if our morals are that decayed, it wont stop people from doing it... neither is legalizing going to make a morally upright person do it simply because it is legal. So, this far, i havent gotten someone to explain to me like a 4 year old why i shouldn't vote Yes for this katiba on the basis of 'abortion'.

For "cathy coats"... all reasons are limping for now!

@Kingfisher and willin2learn

I have no problem with a great argument for or against any topic. In fact, there have been some arguments for or against that looked interesting.

It is not those who are against that I am calling idiots. I will love you all the more for voting against it if you believe that it won't serve you and your family.

However, I will call you an idiot if the only arguments you have are:

1. Muslims will take over Kenya,
2. Women will carry out abortions in the toilets,
3. God will punish Kenyans
4. If you don't listen to wanjiru or Lai, you will burn in hell like all the babies.

and all the crap that these madmen are spewing

Give me a logical argument then I will not consider you an idiot.

Kingfisher;
...wacha kuchokoza nyuki...

P.S the church has not been used by any POLITICIAN, the Church esp. the Evangelicals have had issues with this from the beginning, the CoE ignored them, parliament ignored them.
anyone blaming the 1st estate on their role to advice is trully mistaken.

Masukuma,
Abortion is illegal and dealt with in the penal act Cap 63 - Penal Act
158. Any person (and this includes a trained health
professional)who , with intent to procure miscarriage of a woman, whether she is or is not with child, unlawfully administers to her or causes her to take any poison or other noxious thing, or uses any force of any kind, or uses any other means whatever, is guilty of a felony and is liable to imprisonment for fourteen years.



The draft constitution Just reinforce the fact that abortion is illegal... by stating that Article 26(4)"Abortion is not permitted.....''

There is no permitted law that authorises abortion as at today....if any legislator wishes to bring such a legislation ...I'm sure all kenyans of goodwill will reject it ..Lets pass this draft and face any person who tries to legalise abortion in future....

@Fundaah,
Isn't it funny then,how some "good" citizens (I have MO1 in point) are seeing abortion where there is none??......or is it a case of see trees for a forest?