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Sin and Atonement among the Gikuyu – Thahu & Mugiro
Cornelius Vanderbilt
#1 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 3:49:42 PM
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Sin and Atonement among the Gikuyu – Thahu & Mugiro

The Gikuyu believed in a supreme God who ¬they called Ngai, Mwene Nyaga. Ngai lived in the mountains and his favorite abode was Mt. Kenya.
The spirits of the ancestors could also be prayed to and sacrifices were usually done in two ways. The first was to get blessings from benevolent spirits of the ancestors and the second was to ward off the action of malevolent spirits.

Mundu Mugo, the medicine man was consulted on all manner of things especially illnesses and he would prescribe herbal medicines or perform certain magical rituals.
A seer, Muraguri on the other hand was a prophet or shaman, who foretold the fortunes in the future by his ability to communicate with ancestors and God. A seer was consulted on the propitious times for certain actions like going to war or performing certain rituals.

Agikuyu morals, ethics and code of behavior were however not governed by fear of a God or the action of spirits but largely by a system of taboo. There was a long list of dos’ and don’ts called thahu or abominables and lesser mugiro or prohibitions. There was a prescribed cause of action for undoing the expected ill-effects of breaking any one of the taboos. Many of them required a certain purification procedure sometimes by a medicine-man depending on the severity of the taboo broken and usually involved the sacrifice of a goat.

For instance it was thahu for a child to fall off its mothers back and the punishment required purification ceremonies to the mother and child. Another thahu was, ‘it is thahu, for a lizard to fall into the fireplace in a hut’. The remedy for this thahu was for the entire hut to be demolished and a new one built.

Some examples (mukuyuwordpress) are:

1. It was forbidden for a hut to have two doors.

2. It was taboo to lean a spear up against the roof of a hut. All spears had to be either stuck in the ground, or leaned against the fence or under the eaves. Under no circumstance is a spear allowed inside the hut of a woman.

3. The door is a sliding one and is not hinged and it must always be opened on the side that a man’s father and grandfather opened it. If a person opens it on the wrong side he must go out again, shut the door, and re-enter correctly: otherwise he may not eat any food in the hut.

4. No one may close the door other than the owner of the hut. A visitor may open the door to enter, but closing the door must be left to the woman or her sons.

5. A husband may not shut the door of his hut save on his wedding night.

6. You may not keep standing inside a hut. If you do not want to sit then you must go and stand outside.

7. It is taboo for young boys and girls to swing with the door lintel. They are wishing the death of their parents.

8. It was taboo for a man to sleep on the side by the outer wall of his wife’s bed.

9. It was taboo to start moving a woman’s hut to a new site while she was menstruating.

10. It was taboo for a fire in a hut to go out at any time when beer was being brewed in that hut, or when any special ceremony or sacrifice was taking place in that hut or in connection with it.

11. In no circumstances might all the fires in a homestead be allowed to go out together. For the purposes of this rule the sub¬sidiary homestead of a married son attached to his father’s homestead counted as part of the main homestead.

12. If a cooking pot cracked while food was being cooked in it, that food might not be eaten except by women past childbearing.

13. If a woman was preparing castor oil from castor oil berries, and during the process of heating them over the fire, she either let them boil over or dry up in the pot, a purification ceremony and sacrifice was essential.

14. Should anyone in anger or drunkenness pluck thatch from any hut in a homestead, a sacrifice and purification would be essential to avoid disaster.

15. In a woman’s Nyumba, the head end of her bed was towards the thegi and the foot end towards the The head end of the girls’ bed was towards the gicegu and the fool; end towards the thegi (see Fig. 3.13). It was taboo for anyone to sleep in these beds except with their head at the head end of the bed.

16. A circumcised man may not under any circumstance approach the side of his mother’s side of the kitchen or touch her bed.

17. Young unmarried girls who are circumcised may not sit on the Kweru side of the kitchen but must sit on their bed side. All grown men had to sit on the Ruri side of the hut.

18. There is only one fireplace in a hut consisting of three stones. In the event of a temporary secondary fireplace being created by the addition of a two more stones, the head of the family may not eat food from that secondary fireplace.

19. If the fire drying rack above the fireplace, (itara) breaks and falls, a sacrifice must be done to replace it.

20. It was prohibited to pass food through a crack in the wall of a hut. Such food had to be taken out and brought in through the door before it could be eaten.

21. It is not permitted to pass food over the fireplace to a person on the other side, nor can food be taken around a pole. Food passed over the door may not be eaten by the head of the family.

22. If anyone deliberately broke a cooking pot or a gourd in a homestead, the purification ceremonies and sacrifices involved the slaughter of seven goats and sheep,

23. If a man or woman fell down within their own homestead, purification and sacrifice were necessary.

24. If a bedstead broke when someone was sleeping in it, purification was required of the person.

25. No one might touch or approach the garbage dump (kiara) of a homestead other than the members of that homestead. If they did so, purification would be necessary.

26. If anyone, other than a child that had not been “born a second time,” or a very sick person, defecated within a hut or in the courtyard, a purification ceremony was essential.

27. It was taboo to come into contact with the menstrual blood of any other person (something which could happen easily in a hut), and purification was necessary if this happened. (There were certain minor exceptions).

28. In certain circumstances huts were pulled down and either left to rot or the materials stacked for future use; these circumstances were linked with death and divorce respectively.

29. It was taboo for any person including a child to die inside a hut. In the event of such an occurrence purification of all the inhabitants of the hut was necessary and the hut demolished.

30. If the child’s harness, ngoi was accidentally left outside overnight it must be beaten with a leather strap in the morning being asked, “where did you sleep?”

31. If the owner of a homestead cut himself and drew blood either while in the homestead or when he was out in the fields, he had to sacrifice a goat or sheep for purification.

32. Should any beast—calf, goat, or sheep—suck or lick any part of a human in a homestead, that animal had to be sacrificed for a purification ceremony at the village of a relation-in-law.

33. Should a toad, frog, or lizard fall or jump into the fire in the hearth of a hut, a purification ceremony was essential.

34. If an owl hooted near a homestead, or worse still, perched on any hut or granary, purification was necessary.

35. If a snake was killed within the confines of a homestead, a purification ceremony had to take place,

36. It was taboo to kill a bird called Kanyoni Kanja, within the confines of the homestead.

37. If a kite, when flying over a homestead, let its droppings fall on any person, that person had to be purified, the manner of purification depending upon the sex of the person involved.



tycho
#2 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 6:47:20 PM
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You've tried to translate 'sin' and 'atonement' to the Gikuyu, but haven't shown them to be concepts among the Gikuyu.
mawinder
#3 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2016 7:44:12 AM
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Tell us more especially on when you begun eating goats, stealing, being mean etc
kiash
#4 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2016 1:42:15 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Tell us more especially on when you begun eating goats, stealing, being mean etc



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
masukuma
#5 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2016 5:39:03 PM
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by the way... what's the point of this topic? knowledge or practicality? Snakes, Karoga fea? Kites? hizo zilikuwa njaro za wazee kukula!
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tmatekwa
#6 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2016 7:38:55 PM
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Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.
Mtu Biz
#7 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2016 10:34:15 AM
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tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?
Sola Scriptura


masukuma
#8 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2016 11:42:44 AM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?

so that you don't build a hut with 2 doors!! you should also know that you are unclean for shutting your door Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly these things are serious!
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Tara
#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:19:41 AM
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We need diagrams for some of these.
Cornelius Vanderbilt
#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:47:45 AM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?


why does your tribe preserve its customs and traditions?? stop asking stupid questions. how old are u?
Cornelius Vanderbilt
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:50:57 AM
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masukuma wrote:
by the way... what's the point of this topic? knowledge or practicality? Snakes, Karoga fea? Kites? hizo zilikuwa njaro za wazee kukula!


hey if you have nothing constructive to say you can always contribute here.am sure you have allot of ideas.its where you get to think with your ding dong

http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=14991
Mtu Biz
#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:22:14 AM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?


why does your tribe preserve its customs and traditions?? stop asking stupid questions. how old are u?


@Cornelius

The back of my ID reads thus.

District: Thika
Division: Gatundu
Location: Ngenda
sub-location: Githungucu

I'am 37 years old.

I believe my question is valid.

Jaribu kunijibu bila tu feelings.
Sola Scriptura


masukuma
#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:28:05 AM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
masukuma wrote:
by the way... what's the point of this topic? knowledge or practicality? Snakes, Karoga fea? Kites? hizo zilikuwa njaro za wazee kukula!


hey if you have nothing constructive to say you can always contribute here.am sure you have allot of ideas.its where you get to think with your ding dong

http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=14991

Nani alikufanya prefect wazua? I will belittle this thread and any other thread until ugundue it's stupid to tell us that it's taboo for Men to sleep "on the side by the outer wall of his wife’s bed"! or Mbariki require cleansing! Just because our ignorant ancestors believed this does not mean you should tether your brain and beat it up to believe this nonsense. Even your father does not believe this crap.... why should you?

ati..
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Young unmarried girls who are circumcised may not sit on the Kweru side of the kitchen but must sit on their bed side. All grown men had to sit on the Ruri side of the hut.

WTF!!
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Moorings
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:57:17 PM
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" Vanderbilt, Tell us more ....nice piece
tycho
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:13:47 PM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?


why does your tribe preserve its customs and traditions?? stop asking stupid questions. how old are u?


@Cornelius

The back of my ID reads thus.

District: Thika
Division: Gatundu
Location: Ngenda
sub-location: Githungucu

I'am 37 years old.

I believe my question is valid.

Jaribu kunijibu bila tu feelings.


Let me contribute on these 'customs'. Firstly they aren't exclusive to the Agikuyu- at least many of them. And their importance is for ordering life and coexistence so that the needs the users are met, and events threatening disorder to the society can be rectified without causing social breakdown, or dis-ease to the members of the society.

Rites and rituals are activities and events that get into the spiritual realm where all energy passes before the mind and the body, and elaborating them promotes health by unifying experience and action.

The point of contention is how a society defines itself and what customs and rituals to use. Currently I doubt if the Agikuyu are a society. They are more of a community and hence their customs and traditions may be so heavily eroded. And there's no need for going back to what's already been overtaken by time and events.

But what remains of the Mugikuyu in the cosmopolitan setting? Or the Jaruo? This is where voodoo comes in. And African versions of Christianity or Islam because the mistake that was made by the Colonialists was to confuse religion for custom. Apparently, even @Cornelius seems to be making the same mistake going by the title of the thread.
masukuma
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:27:46 PM
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tycho wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?


why does your tribe preserve its customs and traditions?? stop asking stupid questions. how old are u?


@Cornelius

The back of my ID reads thus.

District: Thika
Division: Gatundu
Location: Ngenda
sub-location: Githungucu

I'am 37 years old.

I believe my question is valid.

Jaribu kunijibu bila tu feelings.


Let me contribute on these 'customs'. Firstly they aren't exclusive to the Agikuyu- at least many of them. And their importance is for ordering life and coexistence so that the needs the users are met, and events threatening disorder to the society can be rectified without causing social breakdown, or dis-ease to the members of the society.

Rites and rituals are activities and events that get into the spiritual realm where all energy passes before the mind and the body, and elaborating them promotes health by unifying experience and action.

The point of contention is how a society defines itself and what customs and rituals to use. Currently I doubt if the Agikuyu are a society. They are more of a community and hence their customs and traditions may be so heavily eroded. And there's no need for going back to what's already been overtaken by time and events.

But what remains of the Mugikuyu in the cosmopolitan setting? Or the Jaruo? This is where voodoo comes in. And African versions of Christianity or Islam because the mistake that was made by the Colonialists was to confuse religion for custom. Apparently, even @Cornelius seems to be making the same mistake going by the title of the thread.

The Agikuyu are an ethnic grouping... that's all. Some don't even speak the language and have no interest to do so. it's just a grouping of people based on common ancestry - time does not have a reverse gear. Some of these customs have been heavily eroded by time and living that todays context that they are all but dead! even our grand parents did not practice them.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 8:46:44 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tmatekwa wrote:
Nice one....Keep it up. we need to keep a record of our customs.


Whatever for?


why does your tribe preserve its customs and traditions?? stop asking stupid questions. how old are u?


@Cornelius

The back of my ID reads thus.

District: Thika
Division: Gatundu
Location: Ngenda
sub-location: Githungucu

I'am 37 years old.

I believe my question is valid.

Jaribu kunijibu bila tu feelings.


Let me contribute on these 'customs'. Firstly they aren't exclusive to the Agikuyu- at least many of them. And their importance is for ordering life and coexistence so that the needs the users are met, and events threatening disorder to the society can be rectified without causing social breakdown, or dis-ease to the members of the society.

Rites and rituals are activities and events that get into the spiritual realm where all energy passes before the mind and the body, and elaborating them promotes health by unifying experience and action.

The point of contention is how a society defines itself and what customs and rituals to use. Currently I doubt if the Agikuyu are a society. They are more of a community and hence their customs and traditions may be so heavily eroded. And there's no need for going back to what's already been overtaken by time and events.

But what remains of the Mugikuyu in the cosmopolitan setting? Or the Jaruo? This is where voodoo comes in. And African versions of Christianity or Islam because the mistake that was made by the Colonialists was to confuse religion for custom. Apparently, even @Cornelius seems to be making the same mistake going by the title of the thread.

The Agikuyu are an ethnic grouping... that's all. Some don't even speak the language and have no interest to do so. it's just a grouping of people based on common ancestry - time does not have a reverse gear. Some of these customs have been heavily eroded by time and living that todays context that they are all but dead! even our grand parents did not practice them.


There's positive value in the customs because they are a basis for development.
masukuma
#18 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:17:46 AM
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tycho wrote:

There's positive value in the customs because they are a basis for development.

customs and traditions are fluid! moving at glacial speeds but fluid! they are not cast in stone! the brains that birthed these customs and traditions were liberal, free thinking brains of their day. they gave the best explanations and answers to their circumstances and convinced others. following customs and traditions was considered prima facie wise! The problem arises when we have better understanding and insight on matters then knowingly tether our brains and beat them to submission to accept worldviews of people who had not travelled 100kms away from their homesteads. if the liberal and free thinking brains that came up with these ideas would slap you on the back of your head for being so silly! if they understood exactly what you understood and still chose to live an inferior life. I think the identification of customs and traditions as identity markers came later - Identity was not the reason they existed in the first place. Let me give you a contemporary example.
Eating ugali with hands - we don't think about it, we just chomp through it... it's a practice. When we see a person asking for a fork and knife we look at them strangely. The reason we eat ugali with our hands is for practicality purposes not for identification. We don't want people seated around a table and then using it as a marker.... (especially when it's not meal time).
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