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Jesus Quote:The Voyager Golden Records are phonograph records that were included aboard both Voyager spacecraft launched in 1977. They contain sounds and images selected to portray the diversity of life and culture on Earth, and are intended for any intelligent extraterrestrial life form, or for future humans, who may find them. Neither Voyager spacecraft is heading toward any particular star, but Voyager 1 will pass within 1.6 light-years of the star Gliese 445, currently in the constellation Camelopardalis, in about 40,000 years. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Swenani wrote:Jesus Quote:The Voyager Golden Records are phonograph records that were included aboard both Voyager spacecraft launched in 1977. They contain sounds and images selected to portray the diversity of life and culture on Earth, and are intended for any intelligent extraterrestrial life form, or for future humans, who may find them. Neither Voyager spacecraft is heading toward any particular star, but Voyager 1 will pass within 1.6 light-years of the star Gliese 445, currently in the constellation Camelopardalis, in about 40,000 years. Will it survive that long? by the way 1.6 light years = 9.3 Trillion Miles!i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:Swenani wrote:Jesus Quote:The Voyager Golden Records are phonograph records that were included aboard both Voyager spacecraft launched in 1977. They contain sounds and images selected to portray the diversity of life and culture on Earth, and are intended for any intelligent extraterrestrial life form, or for future humans, who may find them. Neither Voyager spacecraft is heading toward any particular star, but Voyager 1 will pass within 1.6 light-years of the star Gliese 445, currently in the constellation Camelopardalis, in about 40,000 years. Will it survive that long? by the way 1.6 light years = 9.3 Trillion Miles! that is long term thinking.... on a side note - are there any startrek fans out there? There was the V'ger movie which was actually based on a voyager spacecraft getting lost and coming back. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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here is an interesting analogy - If the sun was a grapefruit, Earth would be the size of a grain of raw sugar 50 ft away! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Illusion. Very subtle one at that.
@Wakanyugi ...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:Illusion. Very subtle one at that.
@Wakanyugi ... I agree with @tycho on this one... a good piece of imagination
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Illusion. Very subtle one at that.
@Wakanyugi ... I agree with @tycho on this one... a good piece of imagination everything we know originates from that small speck of the universe. everyone we know. another image of our home from saturn taken in July 2013  this is not to signify the uselessness of our race or place but rather the fact that we really don't have many options once we screw up ourselves and this place. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Illusion. Very subtle one at that.
@Wakanyugi ... I agree with @tycho on this one... a good piece of imagination Size is relative. Our view of space and time is skewed because it's based on our own definition and limited understandingof the same. If man was the size of an atom- not an impossibility since 'life started from a cell' how big would earth be??
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Illusion. Very subtle one at that.
@Wakanyugi ... I agree with @tycho on this one. .. a good piece of imagination Imagination? Sure. In the same ways that the Bible, Koran and other religious tracts can be considered fiction. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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limanika wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Illusion. Very subtle one at that.
@Wakanyugi ... I agree with @tycho on this one... a good piece of imagination Size is relative. Our view of space and time is skewed because it's based on our own definition and limited understanding of the same. If man was the size of an atom- not an impossibility since 'life started from a cell' how big would earth be?? Exactly! Like the 'limited' perspective of the Fleas on Planet doG. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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limanika wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Illusion. Very subtle one at that.
@Wakanyugi ... I agree with @tycho on this one... a good piece of imagination Size is relative. Our view of space and time is skewed because it's based on our own definition and limited understanding of the same. If man was the size of an atom- not an impossibility since 'life started from a cell' how big would earth be?? It is also skewed by our view of space/time as real. Think of this: 1. We are told the universe started as a big bang – an ‘outward’ explosion from a singularity which created the space/time framework on which matter/energy became distributed to form the Universe that we see. 2. We are also told that a black hole is an implosion of matter/energy into an infinite point (a singularity). Yet despite this implosion, the black hole retains all the information that existed before it was formed , including the space/time, matter/energy distribution that existed before– see black hole information paradox: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/...es-destroy-information/ Meaning: If we lived inside a black hole (a singularity) we would never know the difference. Space/time is an illusion. So is matter/energy for that matter. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:limanika wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Illusion. Very subtle one at that.
@Wakanyugi ... I agree with @tycho on this one... a good piece of imagination Size is relative. Our view of space and time is skewed because it's based on our own definition and limited understanding of the same. If man was the size of an atom- not an impossibility since 'life started from a cell' how big would earth be?? It is also skewed by our view of space/time as real. Think of this: 1. We are told the universe started as a big bang – an ‘outward’ explosion from a singularity which created the space/time framework on which matter/energy became distributed to form the Universe that we see. 2. We are also told that a black hole is an implosion of matter/energy into an infinite point (a singularity). Yet despite this implosion, the black hole retains all the information that existed before it was formed , including the space/time, matter/energy distribution that existed before– see black hole information paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org...ole_information_paradox Meaning: If we lived inside a black hole (a singularity) we would never know the difference. Space/time is an illusion. So is matter/energy for that matter. You are right... we can only know what we can observe and postulate based on our maths. We may be inside a black hole for all we know..... our observable universe could very well be the best illustration of what a black hole looks like. But all that is a bit far and out there. The topical discussion is not on unknowns but rather known and testable facts. This realm of known and testable things include obvious things like "tycho is a cryptic human being", "kenyatta is the president of kenya"; "we live on the surface of the 3rd planet from the sun", "it's a rather small planet orbiting a mediocre star". "humans don't really have options other than life on this planet". All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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On pale blue dot, another way to look at the scenario is for instance consider a plane up high in the sky...it appears 1 feet long...in reality it is tens of metres long. The illusion of 1 feet is the result of our own limitations..e.g. we rely on light from the object to the eye.... and interpretation of size is affected by the distance...yet in reality, the plane is same size and doesn't lose any of its properties. So the pale blue dot is an illusion, the result of voyager's own limitations rather than the converse.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:On pale blue dot, another way to look at the scenario is for instance consider a plane up high in the sky...it appears 1 feet long...in reality it is tens of metres long. The illusion of 1 feet is the result of our own limitations..e.g. we rely on light from the object to the eye.... and interpretation of size is affected by the distance...yet in reality, the plane is same size and doesn't lose any of its properties. So the pale blue dot is an illusion, the result of voyager's own limitations rather than the converse. yes... when compared to the observer! but not in the scale of things. While the plane is larger than the observer juxtaposing it against the sky we realise that what we consider really large is actually small in the grand scale of things. if you really thought about it. Something really interesting is that the "pale blue dot" has a surface that is 70% water and of the 30% left the global urban land was close to 3 %, the global built-up area was about 0.65 %, and the global impervious surface area was merely 0.45 %, of the word’s total land area (excluding Antarctica and Greenland) in 2010. TAFAKARI HAYO!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Wakanyugi wrote:limanika wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Illusion. Very subtle one at that.
@Wakanyugi ... I agree with @tycho on this one... a good piece of imagination Size is relative. Our view of space and time is skewed because it's based on our own definition and limited understanding of the same. If man was the size of an atom- not an impossibility since 'life started from a cell' how big would earth be?? Exactly! Like the 'limited' perspective of the Fleas on Planet doG.  sounds like the story of the ants. i.am.back!!!!
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