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Kenya RE FY 2015 profit before tax up 15%
muganda
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:25:45 AM
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Investment briefing in progress...

Gross premiums written grew by 13%
Net earned premiums marked a 17% increase
Investment Income stood at 3.04bn a 17% growth.


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muganda
#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:34:57 AM
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VituVingiSana
#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:57:51 AM
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Ericsson
#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 9:14:15 AM
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Dividend 75 cents per share
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mlennyma
#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 9:25:06 AM
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muganda wrote:
Investment briefing in progress...

Gross premiums written grew by 13%
Net earned premiums marked a 17% increase
Investment Income stood at 3.04bn a 17% growth.

any good news is beneficial to the whole nsesmile
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Gatheuzi
#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 9:48:29 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Dividend 75 cents per share


At price of 20 that gives a DY of 3.75%.
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VituVingiSana
#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 10:03:02 AM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend 75 cents per share


At price of 20 that gives a DY of 3.75%.

Growing firm needs to retain cash.
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sparkly
#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 10:31:35 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend 75 cents per share


At price of 20 that gives a DY of 3.75%.

Growing firm needs to retain cash.


Paltry dividend is what keeps the stock from realizing full potential. Sad
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Ericsson
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 10:33:58 AM
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@Sparkly
At least there is guarantee that the company will not do a rights issue and take debt in the medium term.
Remember there is the IRA regulations on capital for insurance and reinsurance firms that takes effect this year
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VituVingiSana
#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 12:01:56 PM
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sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend 75 cents per share


At price of 20 that gives a DY of 3.75%.

Growing firm needs to retain cash.


Paltry dividend is what keeps the stock from realizing full potential. Sad

I am happy with the direction the firm is taking. Slow expansion, strong balance sheet.

(Re)Insurance firms are rated by several agencies and given 'grades' which reflect their strength and claims paying ability. Under IRA regulations, insurance firms need to keep minimum cash (or near cash) assets depending on the size of their potential liabilities.

KenRe to grow its underwriting needs to retain 'cash' to write more business. I think KenyaRe has a dividend policy based on cash earnings vs EPS.

Conservative insurance companies thrive in a volatile market.
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murchr
#11 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:06:12 PM
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sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend 75 cents per share


At price of 20 that gives a DY of 3.75%.

Growing firm needs to retain cash.


Paltry dividend is what keeps the stock from realizing full potential. Sad


Excellent results
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madebe
#12 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 3:49:03 PM
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murchr wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend 75 cents per share


At price of 20 that gives a DY of 3.75%.

Growing firm needs to retain cash.


Paltry dividend is what keeps the stock from realizing full potential. Sad


Excellent results


I have looked at the results and they are impressive. I however note that they have not passed their equity loss in the PL statement. I thus suspect that they are not correcting stating their pl for FY 15( QE 2014 3,256 M vers QE 2015 2,553 M a loss of over 700 M)
murchr
#13 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 4:38:47 PM
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madebe wrote:
murchr wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend 75 cents per share


At price of 20 that gives a DY of 3.75%.

Growing firm needs to retain cash.


Paltry dividend is what keeps the stock from realizing full potential. Sad


Excellent results


I have looked at the results and they are impressive. I however note that they have not passed their equity loss in the PL statement. I thus suspect that they are not correcting stating their pl for FY 15( QE 2014 3,256 M vers QE 2015 2,553 M a loss of over 700 M)


They never book equity loss or profits @guru267 can tell us why..she said it before
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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guru267
#14 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 10:40:59 PM
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murchr wrote:
madebe wrote:
murchr wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend 75 cents per share


At price of 20 that gives a DY of 3.75%.

Growing firm needs to retain cash.


Paltry dividend is what keeps the stock from realizing full potential. Sad


Excellent results


I have looked at the results and they are impressive. I however note that they have not passed their equity loss in the PL statement. I thus suspect that they are not correcting stating their pl for FY 15( QE 2014 3,256 M vers QE 2015 2,553 M a loss of over 700 M)


They never book equity loss or profits @guru267 can tell us why..she said it before


NSE gains and losses are passed directly onto the equity account without passing onto the P&L.Thus EPS is unaffected but reflects in NAV

The reason why this is allowed is that Kenya re and Jubilee want to avoid wide swings in EPS thus offering share price stability
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murchr
#15 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:06:53 PM
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Price: 19.85/-
EPS: 5.1
PE: 3.892

Applause Applause Applause
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 12:09:10 AM
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guru267 wrote:
murchr wrote:
madebe wrote:
murchr wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend 75 cents per share


At price of 20 that gives a DY of 3.75%.

Growing firm needs to retain cash.


Paltry dividend is what keeps the stock from realizing full potential. Sad


Excellent results


I have looked at the results and they are impressive. I however note that they have not passed their equity loss in the PL statement. I thus suspect that they are not correcting stating their pl for FY 15( QE 2014 3,256 M vers QE 2015 2,553 M a loss of over 700 M)


They never book equity loss or profits @guru267 can tell us why..she said it before


NSE gains and losses are passed directly onto the equity account without passing onto the P&L.Thus EPS is unaffected but reflects in NAV

The reason why this is allowed is that Kenya re and Jubilee want to avoid wide swings in EPS thus offering share price stability

I am pretty sure this statement is not true. Why would insurance firms be allowed an accounting treatment [by IFRS, ICPAK] to offer price stability of the shares?
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Metch
#17 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:51:31 AM
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murchr wrote:
Price: 19.85/-
EPS: 5.1
PE: 3.892

Applause Applause Applause


Something's got to give. I would buy this whole company if I had the cash. Surely someone with the cash is thinking it. But who wants GOK for a partner d'oh!
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guru267
#18 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 7:12:59 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
murchr wrote:
madebe wrote:
murchr wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend 75 cents per share


At price of 20 that gives a DY of 3.75%.

Growing firm needs to retain cash.


Paltry dividend is what keeps the stock from realizing full potential. Sad


Excellent results


I have looked at the results and they are impressive. I however note that they have not passed their equity loss in the PL statement. I thus suspect that they are not correcting stating their pl for FY 15( QE 2014 3,256 M vers QE 2015 2,553 M a loss of over 700 M)


They never book equity loss or profits @guru267 can tell us why..she said it before


NSE gains and losses are passed directly onto the equity account without passing onto the P&L.Thus EPS is unaffected but reflects in NAV

The reason why this is allowed is that Kenya re and Jubilee want to avoid wide swings in EPS thus offering share price stability

I am pretty sure this statement is not true. Why would insurance firms be allowed an accounting treatment [by IFRS, ICPAK] to offer price stability of the shares?


IFRS recognises various accounting policies and estimation methods for accounting items.

It all depends on the opinion you hold as long it does not compromise on the true and fair view of the company's position.

In this case these accounting tricks are not immediately apparent to Wanjiku and therefore Kenya re and Jubilee enjoy more stable share prices compared to other insurers.
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Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#19 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 7:14:33 AM
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Metch wrote:
murchr wrote:
Price: 19.85/-
EPS: 5.1
PE: 3.892

Applause Applause Applause


Something's got to give. I would buy this whole company if I had the cash. Surely someone with the cash is thinking it. But who wants GOK for a partner d'oh!


Value will only be unlocked here if GOK offloads its majority to a multinational re insurer looking for in roads into Kenya.
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Aguytrying
#20 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:33:28 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Metch wrote:
murchr wrote:
Price: 19.85/-
EPS: 5.1
PE: 3.892

Applause Applause Applause


Something's got to give. I would buy this whole company if I had the cash. Surely someone with the cash is thinking it. But who wants GOK for a partner d'oh!


Value will only be unlocked here if GOK offloads its majority to a multinational re insurer looking for in roads into Kenya.


That is when i would start taking this share seriously, but a very low shareholding by GOK less than 5%. or lower, better yet they offload completely. but thats just a dream, and im sure the company would be come better valued if that was the case.

With EPS of 5.1 they should reward shareholders abit more,especially given the consistent nature of their perfomance over the years
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