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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long.
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Rank: Hello Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1 Location: meru
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u read it all and missed it all.
Christ brought GRACE. now check the meaning of grace in your dictionary.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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mutwirivic wrote:u read it all and missed it all.
Christ brought GRACE. now check the meaning of grace in your dictionary. If we use the dictionary meaning of grace as you've put it, then it doesn't make sense to say that Christ, in the historical sense brought anything like it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Liv wrote:tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ? One of the first things to consider is what sin is. Starting from the banal we can have examples like lying, murder, fornication and the like. When you take all these samples one can decipher a pattern more or less psychological and spiritual that portrays humans as helpless victims of situations and that one has to violate himself and others to attain what may be perceived as good or necessary. But these upon closer inspection appear to be self generated obstacles that cover up the fact humans have the ultimate power and control of their lives. This is the freedom I'm talking about. Can one be sinless? Practically no. Grace then becomes an important idea and experience for it allows for freedom from sin. What does being in Christ mean? Christ becomes like a kind of space, meeting some kind of condition different from other spaces and conditions. It goes back to a chosen people - itself a negation of grace. As to referring to the whole Bible instead of the Gospels alone, I say this; Mathew will take you to Isaiah.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Who is Christ?
In following him, have I known him, in my own terms? I see Christ as 'being that causes rebirth'. Rebirth being an overhaul of relationships,processes, understandings... knowledge of an entity so as to guarantee peace, bliss, ... eternity. All these being referred to as 'heaven' or 'the Kingdom of heaven'.
One gets to heaven by being Christ. The actions of Christ aren't just in the past, but even now and into the future. Because Man was, is, and will be (notice my certainty of being).
Studying my mind has led me to realize that there's no way someone else can do the mind overhaul for me. I must do it for myself. I must save 'the world' for and even, from myself.
Why must I, save the 'world'? Because I, will perish. Salvation is a matter of self preservation. Self love.
Christ, must be a sinner. And he must lose his self to gain it. He/she must die, and ressurect. In ressurection then the Kingdom of heaven is unveiled - ascension. All these things can happen in one's lifetime.
Is Christ, the son of God? Yes, I am the son of God, by virtue of being alive. So is she the daughter of God. Christ.
This is the Christ I have seen with my own eyes, the one I have followed by investigation and emulation to the best of my ability. And it's the Christ I am.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:Liv wrote:tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ? One of the first things to consider is what sin is. Starting from the banal we can have examples like lying, murder, fornication and the like. When you take all these samples one can decipher a pattern more or less psychological and spiritual that portrays humans as helpless victims of situations and that one has to violate himself and others to attain what may be perceived as good or necessary. But these upon closer inspection appear to be self generated obstacles that cover up the fact humans have the ultimate power and control of their lives. This is the freedom I'm talking about. Can one be sinless? Practically no. Grace then becomes an important idea and experience for it allows for freedom from sin. What does being in Christ mean? Christ becomes like a kind of space, meeting some kind of condition different from other spaces and conditions. It goes back to a chosen people - itself a negation of grace. As to referring to the whole Bible instead of the Gospels alone, I say this; Mathew will take you to Isaiah. Grace is necessary because we can't be sinless even though we have ultimate power and control over our lives?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Liv wrote:tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ? One of the first things to consider is what sin is. Starting from the banal we can have examples like lying, murder, fornication and the like. When you take all these samples one can decipher a pattern more or less psychological and spiritual that portrays humans as helpless victims of situations and that one has to violate himself and others to attain what may be perceived as good or necessary. But these upon closer inspection appear to be self generated obstacles that cover up the fact humans have the ultimate power and control of their lives. This is the freedom I'm talking about. Can one be sinless? Practically no. Grace then becomes an important idea and experience for it allows for freedom from sin. What does being in Christ mean? Christ becomes like a kind of space, meeting some kind of condition different from other spaces and conditions. It goes back to a chosen people - itself a negation of grace. As to referring to the whole Bible instead of the Gospels alone, I say this; Mathew will take you to Isaiah. Grace is necessary because we can't be sinless even though we have ultimate power and control over our lives? Yes.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Liv wrote:tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ? One of the first things to consider is what sin is. Starting from the banal we can have examples like lying, murder, fornication and the like. When you take all these samples one can decipher a pattern more or less psychological and spiritual that portrays humans as helpless victims of situations and that one has to violate himself and others to attain what may be perceived as good or necessary. But these upon closer inspection appear to be self generated obstacles that cover up the fact humans have the ultimate power and control of their lives. This is the freedom I'm talking about. Can one be sinless? Practically no. Grace then becomes an important idea and experience for it allows for freedom from sin. What does being in Christ mean? Christ becomes like a kind of space, meeting some kind of condition different from other spaces and conditions. It goes back to a chosen people - itself a negation of grace. As to referring to the whole Bible instead of the Gospels alone, I say this; Mathew will take you to Isaiah. Grace is necessary because we can't be sinless even though we have ultimate power and control over our lives? Yes. Then it's not ultimate power.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Liv wrote:tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ? One of the first things to consider is what sin is. Starting from the banal we can have examples like lying, murder, fornication and the like. When you take all these samples one can decipher a pattern more or less psychological and spiritual that portrays humans as helpless victims of situations and that one has to violate himself and others to attain what may be perceived as good or necessary. But these upon closer inspection appear to be self generated obstacles that cover up the fact humans have the ultimate power and control of their lives. This is the freedom I'm talking about. Can one be sinless? Practically no. Grace then becomes an important idea and experience for it allows for freedom from sin. What does being in Christ mean? Christ becomes like a kind of space, meeting some kind of condition different from other spaces and conditions. It goes back to a chosen people - itself a negation of grace. As to referring to the whole Bible instead of the Gospels alone, I say this; Mathew will take you to Isaiah. Grace is necessary because we can't be sinless even though we have ultimate power and control over our lives? Yes. Then it's not ultimate power. It is!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Liv wrote:tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ? One of the first things to consider is what sin is. Starting from the banal we can have examples like lying, murder, fornication and the like. When you take all these samples one can decipher a pattern more or less psychological and spiritual that portrays humans as helpless victims of situations and that one has to violate himself and others to attain what may be perceived as good or necessary. But these upon closer inspection appear to be self generated obstacles that cover up the fact humans have the ultimate power and control of their lives. This is the freedom I'm talking about. Can one be sinless? Practically no. Grace then becomes an important idea and experience for it allows for freedom from sin. What does being in Christ mean? Christ becomes like a kind of space, meeting some kind of condition different from other spaces and conditions. It goes back to a chosen people - itself a negation of grace. As to referring to the whole Bible instead of the Gospels alone, I say this; Mathew will take you to Isaiah. Grace is necessary because we can't be sinless even though we have ultimate power and control over our lives? Yes. Then it's not ultimate power. It is! 'Indeed'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Liv wrote:tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ? One of the first things to consider is what sin is. Starting from the banal we can have examples like lying, murder, fornication and the like. When you take all these samples one can decipher a pattern more or less psychological and spiritual that portrays humans as helpless victims of situations and that one has to violate himself and others to attain what may be perceived as good or necessary. But these upon closer inspection appear to be self generated obstacles that cover up the fact humans have the ultimate power and control of their lives. This is the freedom I'm talking about. Can one be sinless? Practically no. Grace then becomes an important idea and experience for it allows for freedom from sin. What does being in Christ mean? Christ becomes like a kind of space, meeting some kind of condition different from other spaces and conditions. It goes back to a chosen people - itself a negation of grace. As to referring to the whole Bible instead of the Gospels alone, I say this; Mathew will take you to Isaiah. Grace is necessary because we can't be sinless even though we have ultimate power and control over our lives? Yes. Then it's not ultimate power. It is! 'Indeed'. Indeed. It's so easy to see how if you remember what 'power' is and it's basis.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Liv wrote:tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ? One of the first things to consider is what sin is. Starting from the banal we can have examples like lying, murder, fornication and the like. When you take all these samples one can decipher a pattern more or less psychological and spiritual that portrays humans as helpless victims of situations and that one has to violate himself and others to attain what may be perceived as good or necessary. But these upon closer inspection appear to be self generated obstacles that cover up the fact humans have the ultimate power and control of their lives. This is the freedom I'm talking about. Can one be sinless? Practically no. Grace then becomes an important idea and experience for it allows for freedom from sin. What does being in Christ mean? Christ becomes like a kind of space, meeting some kind of condition different from other spaces and conditions. It goes back to a chosen people - itself a negation of grace. As to referring to the whole Bible instead of the Gospels alone, I say this; Mathew will take you to Isaiah. Grace is necessary because we can't be sinless even though we have ultimate power and control over our lives? Yes. Then it's not ultimate power. It is! 'Indeed'. Indeed. It's so easy to see how if you remember what 'power' is and it's basis. More grace to your 'ultimate power'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Liv wrote:tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ? One of the first things to consider is what sin is. Starting from the banal we can have examples like lying, murder, fornication and the like. When you take all these samples one can decipher a pattern more or less psychological and spiritual that portrays humans as helpless victims of situations and that one has to violate himself and others to attain what may be perceived as good or necessary. But these upon closer inspection appear to be self generated obstacles that cover up the fact humans have the ultimate power and control of their lives. This is the freedom I'm talking about. Can one be sinless? Practically no. Grace then becomes an important idea and experience for it allows for freedom from sin. What does being in Christ mean? Christ becomes like a kind of space, meeting some kind of condition different from other spaces and conditions. It goes back to a chosen people - itself a negation of grace. As to referring to the whole Bible instead of the Gospels alone, I say this; Mathew will take you to Isaiah. Grace is necessary because we can't be sinless even though we have ultimate power and control over our lives? Yes. Then it's not ultimate power. It is! 'Indeed'. Indeed. It's so easy to see how if you remember what 'power' is and it's basis. More grace to your 'ultimate power'. Yeah. I'm experiencing it now!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Liv wrote:tycho wrote:Around twenty years ago, I put myself on a path and question that alas, is so much alive and pressing. Then, like now, my main issue was how I could be free and alive and optimal.
In the beginning I concluded that the apparent failure of the Gospel in my life was due to poor teachers. So I became a theologian, and more to it, I took the path of the cross with dogged devotion.
Now, many years after the start of my journey I realize that the Gospels are far from good news, and the message of Christ is a reactionary message meant to enslave rather than free.
The center is Christ, as Bonhoeffer put it, the issue is sin. But these two don't reconcile.
Sometimes I wonder whether I should forget about Christ all together, especially given that he never wrote any book and is subject to the whims and character of teachers and prophets.
I'm standing at the last battlefront for my freedom and I have to lose so much of what I've held dear for so long. What freedoms are you looking for? Do you have to sin to get financial freedom for example? Or Do you need to sin in order to get relational freedom? Can you still get these freedoms and still be in Christ? If not what is the role of Grace? And lastly why are you restricting yourself to the gospels and not the whole bible to understand the message of Christ? One of the first things to consider is what sin is. Starting from the banal we can have examples like lying, murder, fornication and the like. When you take all these samples one can decipher a pattern more or less psychological and spiritual that portrays humans as helpless victims of situations and that one has to violate himself and others to attain what may be perceived as good or necessary. But these upon closer inspection appear to be self generated obstacles that cover up the fact humans have the ultimate power and control of their lives. This is the freedom I'm talking about. Can one be sinless? Practically no. Grace then becomes an important idea and experience for it allows for freedom from sin. What does being in Christ mean? Christ becomes like a kind of space, meeting some kind of condition different from other spaces and conditions. It goes back to a chosen people - itself a negation of grace. As to referring to the whole Bible instead of the Gospels alone, I say this; Mathew will take you to Isaiah. Grace is necessary because we can't be sinless even though we have ultimate power and control over our lives? Yes. Then it's not ultimate power. It is! 'Indeed'. Indeed. It's so easy to see how if you remember what 'power' is and it's basis. More grace to your 'ultimate power'. Argument by diminishing intelligence...
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@Tycho... In my stay here in wazua I have found you to a very curious person. Full of thirst for knowledge. Always seeking to find HOW and WHY to alot of issues. All your topics are always thought provoking and healthy for applying REASON on. On my part... We would fail if we try to apply REASON and common sense to matters religion. Religion is all a about FAITH. FEAR GOD
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KIKItheKING wrote:@Tycho...
In my stay here in wazua I have found you to a very curious person. Full of thirst for knowledge. Always seeking to find HOW and WHY to alot of issues.
All your topics are always thought provoking and healthy for applying REASON on.
On my part... We would fail if we try to apply REASON and common sense to matters religion. Religion is all a about FAITH. The seperation between reason and faith is recent. Let's take it as far back as the Copernicun revolution. Before that, there's ample evidence that the two went together. It's only natural that the two go together. Their parting ways has left us with much damage already ... it's time to reconcile them. And in me, they are reconciled.
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tycho wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:@Tycho...
In my stay here in wazua I have found you to a very curious person. Full of thirst for knowledge. Always seeking to find HOW and WHY to alot of issues.
All your topics are always thought provoking and healthy for applying REASON on.
On my part... We would fail if we try to apply REASON and common sense to matters religion. Religion is all a about FAITH. The seperation between reason and faith is recent. Let's take it as far back as the Copernicun revolution. Before that, there's ample evidence that the two went together. It's only natural that the two go together. Their parting ways has left us with much damage already ... it's time to reconcile them. And in me, they are reconciled. @tycho is right! it was all nice and dandy when advances in knowledge and reason was coherent to scripture. until information/science revealed a reality that was incoherent with scripture and people started picking sides. That is why thinkers like St Augustine of hippo and St Thomas Aquinas are still quoted today since the philosphical and wordviews were still coherent to the scripture. this has been happening increasingly and we are almost a society that is schizophrenic - consuming fossil fuels but not acknowledging the existence of the source of these fossil fuels. Very happy to drive a car and fuel but rejecting the existence of the source of that fuel. I rarely engage in counter realities but I sometimes float back in time and ask - if Issac Newton was born after Darwin - which side of the debate would he fall? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:@Tycho...
In my stay here in wazua I have found you to a very curious person. Full of thirst for knowledge. Always seeking to find HOW and WHY to alot of issues.
All your topics are always thought provoking and healthy for applying REASON on.
On my part... We would fail if we try to apply REASON and common sense to matters religion. Religion is all a about FAITH. The seperation between reason and faith is recent. Let's take it as far back as the Copernicun revolution. Before that, there's ample evidence that the two went together. It's only natural that the two go together. Their parting ways has left us with much damage already ... it's time to reconcile them. And in me, they are reconciled. @tycho is right! it was all nice and dandy when advances in knowledge and reason was coherent to scripture. until information/science revealed a reality that was incoherent with scripture and people started picking sides. That is why thinkers like St Augustine of hippo and St Thomas Aquinas are still quoted today since the philosphical and wordviews were still coherent to the scripture. this has been happening increasingly and we are almost a society that is schizophrenic - consuming fossil fuels but not acknowledging the existence of the source of these fossil fuels. Very happy to drive a car and fuel but rejecting the existence of the source of that fuel. I rarely engage in counter realities but I sometimes float back in time and ask - if Issac Newton was born after Darwin - which side of the debate would he fall? Titan has “Hundreds of Times More” Liquid Hydrocarbons Than Earth Where did they come from? Science,especially physics,has become more philosophical and metaphysical with little to no evidence to back it up. Because of that science has incorporated all and any past,present and future religions and realities as equally valid and void. It is science that is struggling to find a coherent way to move forward.
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KIKItheKING wrote:@Tycho...
In my stay here in wazua I have found you to a very curious person. Full of thirst for knowledge. Always seeking to find HOW and WHY to alot of issues.
All your topics are always thought provoking and healthy for applying REASON on.
On my part... We would fail if we try to apply REASON and common sense to matters religion. Religion is all a about FAITH. What is FAITH? Portfolio: Sold
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