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Briatm, Britam, Britam sounds like sweet candy!
rutechura
#461 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:27:02 PM
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Lets wait and see what these guys will tell us kesho.. Pray
hisah
#462 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:46:40 PM
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New rules funnel insurance cash into government debt

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Industry insiders said the proposals, which are expected to become law in June, could further pull the lever on trading at the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE) even as they tap an extra Sh200 billion to Sh400 billion into government debt this year alone.

The scale of the change looks set to deliver a seismic shock to the insurance industry itself, with an impact analysis from the Association of Kenya Insurers indicating that 49 per cent of insurers will be unable to meet the minimum conditions set by the new rules, and that just 11 per cent will be sufficiently capitalised to be free of regulatory intervention.

Equities listed on the NSE also carry a somewhat higher than normal risk factor, at 30 per cent, but government bonds, despite their current B rating, which defines them as high risk, carry no risk factor at all under the new regulation, and can be counted at full value.

Under the new regulations, and for insurers struggling to make the 200 per cent bar, equity and property holdings are set to become a distinct burden, worth 30 to 40 per cent more if they are sold and the money is rerouted into government debt.

For most insurers, property represents a long term investment, and few have yet reduced their portfolio holdings of property, although the regulation has already seen some retreat from new property investments.

But the industry, which now holds more than 40 per cent of its Sh370bn of investments in government debt, has been selling off its equity investments and shifting funds to government bonds.

From March to September, the industry moved some Sh11 billion from equity to government debt.


his conversion of equity to debt may not depress the stock market for much more than another year, with last year’s sell-off having already reduced the industry’s total equity holdings to around Sh42 billion by September after fair value losses.

Nonetheless, the sell-off appears to have continued since September, and many insurers that will fall under the minimum capital adequacy ratio of 100 per cent of their capital needs in June will have little choice but to convert their equity assets into government debt to gain 30 per cent in their available capital sum.


Pray Pray

NSE has no floor in sight!!! As for those holding insurance stocks that have large equities exposure, ulcers central again this year!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
maka
#463 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:52:10 PM
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hisah wrote:
New rules funnel insurance cash into government debt

Quote:
Industry insiders said the proposals, which are expected to become law in June, could further pull the lever on trading at the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE) even as they tap an extra Sh200 billion to Sh400 billion into government debt this year alone.

The scale of the change looks set to deliver a seismic shock to the insurance industry itself, with an impact analysis from the Association of Kenya Insurers indicating that 49 per cent of insurers will be unable to meet the minimum conditions set by the new rules, and that just 11 per cent will be sufficiently capitalised to be free of regulatory intervention.

Equities listed on the NSE also carry a somewhat higher than normal risk factor, at 30 per cent, but government bonds, despite their current B rating, which defines them as high risk, carry no risk factor at all under the new regulation, and can be counted at full value.

Under the new regulations, and for insurers struggling to make the 200 per cent bar, equity and property holdings are set to become a distinct burden, worth 30 to 40 per cent more if they are sold and the money is rerouted into government debt.

For most insurers, property represents a long term investment, and few have yet reduced their portfolio holdings of property, although the regulation has already seen some retreat from new property investments.

But the industry, which now holds more than 40 per cent of its Sh370bn of investments in government debt, has been selling off its equity investments and shifting funds to government bonds.

From March to September, the industry moved some Sh11 billion from equity to government debt.


his conversion of equity to debt may not depress the stock market for much more than another year, with last year’s sell-off having already reduced the industry’s total equity holdings to around Sh42 billion by September after fair value losses.

Nonetheless, the sell-off appears to have continued since September, and many insurers that will fall under the minimum capital adequacy ratio of 100 per cent of their capital needs in June will have little choice but to convert their equity assets into government debt to gain 30 per cent in their available capital sum.


Pray Pray

NSE has no floor in sight!!! As for those holding insurance stocks that have large equities exposure, ulcers central again this year!


How do insurance companies in other countries survive?apart from real estate,equities and fixed income...
possunt quia posse videntur
Othelo
#464 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2016 4:40:04 PM
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Interpretation kidogo on the new rules, what are they and likely impact would help many in this forum.

Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
Spikes
#465 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:50:09 AM
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Othelo wrote:
Interpretation kidogo on the new rules, what are they and likely impact would help many in this forum.



@Realtreaty results ni lini? Tell us please if you have any info. Results announcement will clear headwinds on this stock.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Othelo
#466 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:21:55 PM
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Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Interpretation kidogo on the new rules, what are they and likely impact would help many in this forum.



@Realtreaty results ni lini? Tell us please if you have any info. Results announcement will clear headwinds on this stock.

Results here is like NBK, jikoni mpaka siku ya mwisho!!!!!
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
Ericsson
#467 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:25:03 PM
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Whoever thought there was going to be any results been announced today was in dreamland.
Saa hii the dons of those companies have closed and started enjoying their easter holidays
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
muandiwambeu
#468 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:24:30 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Whoever thought there was going to be any results been announced today was in dreamland.
Saa hii the dons of those companies have closed and started enjoying their easter holidays

Dharaats influence is strong. Golden parachutes is the term. Axis of evil. Imagine poisoning dharats with dharat rat and instead of them dying, they fatten instead. Phew. And the beating is not over yet. Until sub 8tish. Kichapo iendelee.d'oh! d'oh!
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
Spikes
#469 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:17:45 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Whoever thought there was going to be any results been announced today was in dreamland.
Saa hii the dons of those companies have closed and started enjoying their easter holidays

Dharaats influence is strong. Golden parachutes is the term. Axis of evil. Imagine poisoning dharats with dharat rat and instead of them dying, they fatten instead. Phew. And the beating is not over yet. Until sub 8tish. Kichapo iendelee.d'oh! d'oh!


You will be wowed by bonus issue from reserves to trigger a mammoth rally. Mauritian tycoons will sell during the announcement of the bonus to a global investor. Sub 8 mtangoja sana!!!&

We'll shaft prophets of doom at the peak of the rally. After exiting we shall be eyeing other counters gracing Britam massive capital gains!!!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Boris Boyka
#470 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:14:12 PM
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Spikes wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Whoever thought there was going to be any results been announced today was in dreamland.
Saa hii the dons of those companies have closed and started enjoying their easter holidays

Dharaats influence is strong. Golden parachutes is the term. Axis of evil. Imagine poisoning dharats with dharat rat and instead of them dying, they fatten instead. Phew. And the beating is not over yet. Until sub 8tish. Kichapo iendelee.d'oh! d'oh!


You will be wowed by bonus issue from reserves to trigger a mammoth rally. Mauritian tycoons will sell during the announcement of the bonus to a global investor. Sub 8 mtangoja sana!!!&

We'll shaft prophets of doom at the peak of the rally. After exiting we shall be eyeing other counters gracing Britam massive capital gains!!!

So MSC burnt your fingers to recognition and now Britank plans your cremation! Sad Sad Symptoms of denial are all over.
Poleee lakini. It shall be well though I don't know when.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
murchr
#471 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:19:55 PM
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Clear signs of buying the rumor. Let the news come out
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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enyands
#472 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:05:09 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
Spikes wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Whoever thought there was going to be any results been announced today was in dreamland.
Saa hii the dons of those companies have closed and started enjoying their easter holidays

Dharaats influence is strong. Golden parachutes is the term. Axis of evil. Imagine poisoning dharats with dharat rat and instead of them dying, they fatten instead. Phew. And the beating is not over yet. Until sub 8tish. Kichapo iendelee.d'oh! d'oh!


You will be wowed by bonus issue from reserves to trigger a mammoth rally. Mauritian tycoons will sell during the announcement of the bonus to a global investor. Sub 8 mtangoja sana!!!&

We'll shaft prophets of doom at the peak of the rally. After exiting we shall be eyeing other counters gracing Britam massive capital gains!!!

So MSC burnt your fingers to recognition and now Britank plans your cremation! Sad Sad Symptoms of denial are all over.
Poleee lakini. It shall be well though I don't know when.



He is a warmonger .don't take him serious Boris Boyka
VituVingiSana
#473 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:12:02 PM
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Spikes wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Whoever thought there was going to be any results been announced today was in dreamland.
Saa hii the dons of those companies have closed and started enjoying their easter holidays

Dharaats influence is strong. Golden parachutes is the term. Axis of evil. Imagine poisoning dharats with dharat rat and instead of them dying, they fatten instead. Phew. And the beating is not over yet. Until sub 8tish. Kichapo iendelee.d'oh! d'oh!


You will be wowed by bonus issue from reserves to trigger a mammoth rally. Mauritian tycoons will sell during the announcement of the bonus to a global investor. Sub 8 mtangoja sana!!!&

We'll shaft prophets of doom at the peak of the rally. After exiting we shall be eyeing other counters gracing Britam massive capital gains!!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly I wish I could sell Puts to @spikes
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Realtreaty
#474 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:15:36 PM
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Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Interpretation kidogo on the new rules, what are they and likely impact would help many in this forum.



@Realtreaty results ni lini? Tell us please if you have any info. Results announcement will clear headwinds on this stock.

smile smile
They are cooling our heads and do not intend to harm us during the fasting period of Easter.
Nevertheless, there seem to be a buy back by the big boys to win the majority holding.
The suspense is to make wanjiku rush to sell before they give us a flat dividend or a Null for cheap investors to bolt at a loss while knowing that they will anounce a good first qtr to boost the candy prospects and put down Mauritian govt greediness.
Spikes
#475 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2016 9:35:40 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Interpretation kidogo on the new rules, what are they and likely impact would help many in this forum.



@Realtreaty results ni lini? Tell us please if you have any info. Results announcement will clear headwinds on this stock.

smile smile
They are cooling our heads and do not intend to harm us during the fasting period of Easter.
Nevertheless, there seem to be a buy back by the big boys to win the majority holding.
The suspense is to make wanjiku rush to sell before they give us a flat dividend or a Null for cheap investors to bolt at a loss while knowing that they will anounce a good first qtr to boost the candy prospects and put down Mauritian govt greediness.



Great observation. @RealTreaty we need to be vigilant on the activities of the big boys! But I don't think they will exit. Major shareholders understand that in the long run this is value stock.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
muandiwambeu
#476 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2016 10:04:29 AM
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Spikes wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Interpretation kidogo on the new rules, what are they and likely impact would help many in this forum.



@Realtreaty results ni lini? Tell us please if you have any info. Results announcement will clear headwinds on this stock.

smile smile
They are cooling our heads and do not intend to harm us during the fasting period of Easter.
Nevertheless, there seem to be a buy back by the big boys to win the majority holding.
The suspense is to make wanjiku rush to sell before they give us a flat dividend or a Null for cheap investors to bolt at a loss while knowing that they will anounce a good first qtr to boost the candy prospects and put down Mauritian govt greediness.



Great observation. @RealTreaty we need to be vigilant on the activities of the big boys! But I don't think they will exit. Major shareholders understand that in the long run this is value stock.

These are a lads mere wet dreams at teens. You will wait until u sit squarely. Follow the charts and see when action started and tell wazuans what real value was created to warrant those spikes apart from romours, cheap publicity which just got off synch with reality and over spiced with dharat the rat and rat rat. Treasures of goblins turning charcoals soon and finally into dust. Not gold dust, matope and not kaolin clay. Useless matope.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
enyands
#477 Posted : Friday, March 25, 2016 5:50:33 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Interpretation kidogo on the new rules, what are they and likely impact would help many in this forum.



@Realtreaty results ni lini? Tell us please if you have any info. Results announcement will clear headwinds on this stock.

smile smile
They are cooling our heads and do not intend to harm us during the fasting period of Easter.
Nevertheless, there seem to be a buy back by the big boys to win the majority holding.
The suspense is to make wanjiku rush to sell before they give us a flat dividend or a Null for cheap investors to bolt at a loss while knowing that they will anounce a good first qtr to boost the candy prospects and put down Mauritian govt greediness.



Great observation. @RealTreaty we need to be vigilant on the activities of the big boys! But I don't think they will exit. Major shareholders understand that in the long run this is value stock.

These are a lads mere wet dreams at teens. You will wait until u sit squarely. Follow the charts and see when action started and tell wazuans what real value was created to warrant those spikes apart from romours, cheap publicity which just got off synch with reality and over spiced with dharat the rat and rat rat. Treasures of goblins turning charcoals soon and finally into dust. Not gold dust, matope and not kaolin clay. Useless matope.


Muandiwambeu in short what's your point? I read your post it gives me a headache. I can't comprehend what your point is
Realtreaty
#478 Posted : Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:21:15 PM
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smile smile Britam CSR working well and its great doing that for our children.

Press Releases

Now lets see what we will get. Still there is something in the jar.
Spikes
#479 Posted : Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:53:04 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
smile smile Britam CSR working well and its great doing that for our children.

Press Releases

Now lets see what we will get. Still there is something in the jar.


Atleast 1.2B kes profit will be announced. A more than 50% drop in FY 2015 PAT.

That money is enough for cash dividend or bonus issue.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Aguytrying
#480 Posted : Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:02:22 AM
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Spikes wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
smile smile Britam CSR working well and its great doing that for our children.

Press Releases

Now lets see what we will get. Still there is something in the jar.


Atleast 1.2B kes profit will be announced. A more than 50% drop in FY 2015 PAT.

That money is enough for cash dividend or bonus issue.


I'm waiting for this at 5 bob, when the bear drowns it
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