wazua Wed, Jun 17, 2026
Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In

9 Pages«<34567>»
Maumau fiasco
masukuma
#41 Posted : Monday, March 21, 2016 11:53:50 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
By the way... totally unrelated question. Who was the main driving force for multipartism?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#42 Posted : Monday, March 21, 2016 1:27:57 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
masukuma wrote:
By the way... totally unrelated question. Who was the main driving force for multipartism?


Ask, 'what was the driving force behind multipartysim'? The answer is the same for all historical change...
Othelo
#43 Posted : Monday, March 21, 2016 1:46:44 PM
Rank: User

Joined: 1/20/2014
Posts: 3,528
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
By the way... totally unrelated question. Who was the main driving force for multipartism?


Ask, 'what was the driving force behind multipartysim'? The answer is the same for all historical change...

Baba wa Taifa, kilakitu no. 1 then
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
wukan
#44 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:30:58 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,658
tycho wrote:
Speaking of 'multipartysim'; the US had the leading role in promoting it. The US also played a leading role in calling for independence of many colonies. Why did they play the role? Changing political conditions would make them richer and more powerful.

After all, isn't it odd for us to speak of a 'second liberation'?


I really wanted this topic to die but not before I put in a last word. Let me offer a few history lessons

1. There was something called Feudalism a system of "haves" and "have nots" which was the foundation of Europe. You had lords, then you had serfs(peasants). It worked by making small part of the population rich to own the land and the other part poor to provide labour

2. When Feudalism existed serfs suffered immensely and together with the persecuted in Europe decided to start a new life in America. The British obviously wanted to retain the feudalism in America which is the reason why they fought for independence. That's what Americans call american values and why they value freedom.

3. When the British came to Kenya the Kikuyus had some form of feudalism where land was owned by the clan (mbari) and there were some serfs (Ahoi-landless). The settlers who came to kenya were mostly upper class British and they wanted to establish a feudal system. They achieved it by enacting the 1915 Crown Lands Ordinance where the governor dished out land in the white highlands.

4. The entire aim of the white settlers was to establish a self governing colony based on feudalism. The mau mau struggle was a struggle against feudalism even within kikuyu community (Squatters and the Roots of Mau Mau, 1905-63)

5. The Swynerton plan ensured the place of quasi-feudalism and those who lost ended up in alcoholism. Ever wondered why the Scots, the Aborigines and the Native Americans(Red Indians) have alcohol addiction problems and also gambling addition? Never extinguish the flame of self-determination

6. The second liberation was about dismantling the quasi-feudal state that existed after the Brits left and the realization that kenya needed to be governed by laws where everyone was equal and governed by institutions. The idealists thought kenya would end up like USA where it doesn't depend on who you know but how hard you worked.

7. Did the second liberation work? No it didn't it was hijacked somewhere we ended up with constitutional dispensation where we institutionalized feudalism through the creation of county governments. Corruption and public appointments is also one of the way to keep feudalism alive.

8. Have I benefited from the feudal state? smile smile The struggle continues...
tycho
#45 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2016 3:23:23 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
@wukan, thanks for the perspective and as I'm digesting your thoughts, I have one question:

What was Dedan's class in the Gikuyu feudal system?
masukuma
#46 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2016 3:43:28 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
Othelo wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
By the way... totally unrelated question. Who was the main driving force for multipartism?


Ask, 'what was the driving force behind multipartysim'? The answer is the same for all historical change...

Baba wa Taifa, kilakitu no. 1 then

actually if you really thought about it Kenya was fine (most of kenya really) with Single party politics until the mlolongo fiasco in 1988, the fallout from that setup kenya for multiparty democracy. prior to 1988 - even the Americans were happy to have strong men in charge. Democracy was never an issue, government spending was never an issue, theft and stashing was never an issue as long as USSR was there but after USSR started falling and we (our strongmen could not have places to go to since US did not support our economies that well after that) had to change. Remember Smith Hempstone? appointed in 1989? Economically Structural Adjustment programs kicked in in the 90s. The Goldenberg scam? 1991! when Kenya was running low on foreign currency (so called hard currency) for imports and akina IMF were not playing ball and thus schemes like these got an ear to listen to. My point? sometimes we get focused on micro happenings but really there may be some larger pieces moving at a macro scale that actually make the changes we see permanent.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
wukan
#47 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:15:20 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,658
tycho wrote:
@wukan, thanks for the perspective and as I'm digesting your thoughts, I have one question:

What was Dedan's class in the Gikuyu feudal system?


Dedan was ahoi class that's why he was conscripted into army in the WWII plus he had no land in core kikuyu areas(Nyandarua was settler area).

Quote:
Most of the Mau Mau guerrillas were young men and landless peasants. Some of these peasants had lost land to corrupt chiefs and other “landed gentry” in Central Province, while others were victims of land appropriation carried out to enable European settlement. Repatriated African squatters from the white farms in the Rift Valley fueled the ranks of the guerrillas, as did the economically desperate and unemployed Kikuyu in Nairobi and the surrounding urban centers. During the post–World War II period, there was massive African unemployment in the urban areas of Kenya, along with very poor housing (or no housing at all) and high inflation.
tycho
#48 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:12:52 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
@wukan, so beggars found themselves with some power, having traveled to distant lands as fighters. There they realized that all humans are the same, and generally classes emerge because of the ability to use force and dominate.

And because the fighters could now organize an army, could make guns, then they too could have a piece of the cake held by the elites.

Meanwhile a new group of elites was coming; educated Africans who'd been to Europe and America. They found an opening in the fighters and they make an alliance with the obvious promise that the fighters would be rewarded with the objects of their aspirations.

They joined forces and made a convincing case that independence was viable and necessary. The colonialists were satisfied and they granted independence. Politicians got they had wanted, but granting the fighter's wishes was taboo because one wasn't to upset the world order.

But still, the support of the masses was necessary and to mollify them, history was crafted to make it appear that the fighters were heroes. But who cared? Who cares?

The maumau story is a delusion. It's a fiasco in all ways. Dedan isn't my hero, but I congratulate him for daring the impossible.
masukuma
#49 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:49:51 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
tycho wrote:
@wukan, so beggars found themselves with some power, having traveled to distant lands as fighters. There they realized that all humans are the same, and generally classes emerge because of the ability to use force and dominate.

And because the fighters could now organize an army, could make guns, then they too could have a piece of the cake held by the elites.

Meanwhile a new group of elites was coming; educated Africans who'd been to Europe and America. They found an opening in the fighters and they make an alliance with the obvious promise that the fighters would be rewarded with the objects of their aspirations.

They joined forces and made a convincing case that independence was viable and necessary. The colonialists were satisfied and they granted independence. Politicians got they had wanted, but granting the fighter's wishes was taboo because one wasn't to upset the world order.

But still, the support of the masses was necessary and to mollify them, history was crafted to make it appear that the fighters were heroes. But who cared? Who cares?

The maumau story is a delusion. It's a fiasco in all ways. Dedan isn't my hero, but I congratulate him for daring the impossible.

I think I know of only 2 instances that the colonised/slaves kicked the asses of the colonizers. The US and Haiti
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
wazuaguest
#50 Posted : Tuesday, March 22, 2016 6:38:31 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 2/9/2012
Posts: 576
tycho wrote:
That the maumau fought and died for the people of Kenya is an absurd story to feed our minds with.

The truth is that these were disaffected people who tried to shape their experience and failed miserably and won nothing for anyone.


Keyboard warrior.
Africa belongs to Africans.
9 Pages«<34567>»
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Copyright © 2026 Wazua.co.ke. All Rights Reserved.