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@Spikes. Didn't you ride access from 22 to 4 then sold and missed out on take over? When you were QW? The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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Aguytrying wrote:@Spikes. Didn't you ride access from 22 to 4 then sold and missed out on take over? When you were QW? What do you mean by QW ? Qualified Wrestler or Quantified Winner ? John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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Spikes wrote:mlennyma wrote:whiteowl wrote:Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years. capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me! If at 14 its overvalued and you reco sell why then would you be a buyer at 8? Wouldn't 8 be your fair value? Anyway, nothing has changed, management is great and I don't need the money now so there is no reason for me to sell.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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whiteowl wrote:Spikes wrote:mlennyma wrote:whiteowl wrote:Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years. capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me! If at 14 its overvalued and you reco sell why then would you be a buyer at 8? Wouldn't 8 be your fair value? Anyway, nothing has changed, management is great and I don't need the money now so there is no reason for me to sell. selling with a solid plan for the proceeds isn't a bad thing,as for me i don't have so my next focus is H1 2016,iam waiting to see where liquidity will head to with government yields falling and the imf facility which further keeps the govt more comfortable "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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mlennyma wrote:whiteowl wrote:Spikes wrote:mlennyma wrote:whiteowl wrote:Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years. capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me! If at 14 its overvalued and you reco sell why then would you be a buyer at 8? Wouldn't 8 be your fair value? Anyway, nothing has changed, management is great and I don't need the money now so there is no reason for me to sell. selling with a solid plan for the proceeds isn't a bad thing,as for me i don't have so my next focus is H1 2016,iam waiting to see where liquidity will head to with government yields falling and the imf facility which further keeps the govt more comfortable Actually this year I expect a harsh liquidity vacuum coz of gov loan repayments so I reduced my stake at NSE .This is the only stock I'm left holding.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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mlennyma wrote:whiteowl wrote:Spikes wrote:mlennyma wrote:whiteowl wrote:Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years. capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me! If at 14 its overvalued and you reco sell why then would you be a buyer at 8? Wouldn't 8 be your fair value? Anyway, nothing has changed, management is great and I don't need the money now so there is no reason for me to sell. selling with a solid plan for the proceeds isn't a bad thing,as for me i don't have so my next focus is H1 2016 Looking at the lack of demand today looks like we are headed back to comfort zone or the new comfort zone. After a 30% gain on KK last Friday I only had 1 regret, why didn't I buy more at 8.00!? Lord knows I tried. If the bear pushes it back there I will be buying kk like no one's business. And the bear is strong. Equity, arm,printing lower lows today. This rally to 11 is just a foretaste of what is to come when the bulls return. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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whiteowl wrote:mlennyma wrote:whiteowl wrote:Spikes wrote:mlennyma wrote:whiteowl wrote:Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years. capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me! If at 14 its overvalued and you reco sell why then would you be a buyer at 8? Wouldn't 8 be your fair value? Anyway, nothing has changed, management is great and I don't need the money now so there is no reason for me to sell. selling with a solid plan for the proceeds isn't a bad thing,as for me i don't have so my next focus is H1 2016,iam waiting to see where liquidity will head to with government yields falling and the imf facility which further keeps the govt more comfortable Actually this year I expect a harsh liquidity vacuum coz of gov loan repayments so I reduced my stake at NSE .This is the only stock I'm left holding. lets watch as the maturity nears "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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Aguytrying wrote:mlennyma wrote:whiteowl wrote:Spikes wrote:mlennyma wrote:whiteowl wrote:Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years. capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me! If at 14 its overvalued and you reco sell why then would you be a buyer at 8? Wouldn't 8 be your fair value? Anyway, nothing has changed, management is great and I don't need the money now so there is no reason for me to sell. selling with a solid plan for the proceeds isn't a bad thing,as for me i don't have so my next focus is H1 2016 Looking at the lack of demand today looks like we are headed back to comfort zone or the new comfort zone. After a 30% gain on KK last Friday I only had 1 regret, why didn't I buy more at 8.00!? Lord knows I tried. If the bear pushes it back there I will be buying kk like no one's business. And the bear is strong. Equity, arm,printing lower lows today. This rally to 11 is just a foretaste of what is to come when the bulls return. There's a Buffett quote/story that goes something like this: If you see socks on discount this week, do you lament they weren't on discount last week or buy more pairs to last you a few more weeks when the price will likely be back to 'normal'? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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,National Oil Corporation of Kenya (NOCK) is set to announce plans to cut its cooking gas package prices by over 60% (through a Government subsidy plan) to drive use of cleaner energy in poor households and using innovative access methods such as community kitchens. The state corporation aims to introduce 6.5m new cooking gas cylinders into Kenyan households over the next three years at a cost of KES 5.6bn annually (June 2017- 1.3m additional, June 2018- {+2.2m, June 2019 - +3.0m). A paltry 9% of Kenyan households use LPG, at an annual consumption of 70MT p.a. NOCK estimates latent/unrealized demand at 200MT p.a. Low cooking gas uptake in Kenya is attributable to a mix of factors, among them inadequate infrastructure, high cost of cooking and lighting equipment and a weak distribution network. NOCK will reduce prices for 3kg and 6kg cooking gas packages by 64% and 61% respectively. The project starts in July 2016 and will be financed through internally generated revenues, debt and capital injection from partners. Distribution of the cylinders will be done mostly through women and youth groups, an exercise expected to create employment opportunities for 1,500 to 2,000 women and youth groups. Kenya ranks among the lowest usage in Africa with a per capita consumption of 2kg, below the continent’s average of 3kg. Ghana per capita consumption is at 5kg, South Africa 6kg, Senegal 10kg and Ivory Coast 9kg. 97% of Kenyan households use traditional sources of cooking energy such as wood and charcoal. Kenya’s primary energy consumption mix is at 68% for biomass, 22% for petroleum and 9% for electricity. NOCK is a fully integrated State Corporation involved in all aspects of the petroleum supply chain covering the upstream oil and gas exploration, midstream petroleum infrastructure development and downstream marketing of petroleum products. , "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:,National Oil Corporation of Kenya (NOCK) is set to announce plans to cut its cooking gas package prices by over 60% (through a Government subsidy plan) to drive use of cleaner energy in poor households and using innovative access methods such as community kitchens. The state corporation aims to introduce 6.5m new cooking gas cylinders into Kenyan households over the next three years at a cost of KES 5.6bn annually (June 2017- 1.3m additional, June 2018- {+2.2m, June 2019 - +3.0m). A paltry 9% of Kenyan households use LPG, at an annual consumption of 70MT p.a. NOCK estimates latent/unrealized demand at 200MT p.a. Low cooking gas uptake in Kenya is attributable to a mix of factors, among them inadequate infrastructure, high cost of cooking and lighting equipment and a weak distribution network. NOCK will reduce prices for 3kg and 6kg cooking gas packages by 64% and 61% respectively. The project starts in July 2016 and will be financed through internally generated revenues, debt and capital injection from partners. Distribution of the cylinders will be done mostly through women and youth groups, an exercise expected to create employment opportunities for 1,500 to 2,000 women and youth groups. Kenya ranks among the lowest usage in Africa with a per capita consumption of 2kg, below the continent’s average of 3kg. Ghana per capita consumption is at 5kg, South Africa 6kg, Senegal 10kg and Ivory Coast 9kg. 97% of Kenyan households use traditional sources of cooking energy such as wood and charcoal. Kenya’s primary energy consumption mix is at 68% for biomass, 22% for petroleum and 9% for electricity. NOCK is a fully integrated State Corporation involved in all aspects of the petroleum supply chain covering the upstream oil and gas exploration, midstream petroleum infrastructure development and downstream marketing of petroleum products. , instead of partnering with other marketers to make kenyans embrace the use of cooking gas ,the government through nock plays dirty tricks to become a monopoly kind of ,this reminds me of a directive that all government vehicles must fuel at nock...the biggest threat to oil marketers is now definitely the government of kenya,how will other marketers counter this and still make their margins ?? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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@mlennyma. Do not worry, with the rampant corruption this can't last long, it will eventually die. Only in the short to medium term may it affect. But I can't see it working. This is probably those election money making schemes that die a natural death. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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Aguytrying wrote:@mlennyma. Do not worry, with the rampant corruption this can't last long, it will eventually die. Only in the short to medium term may it affect. But I can't see it working. This is probably those election money making schemes that die a natural death. And then they can start filling up or exchanging their NOCK tanks at KK. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:@mlennyma. Do not worry, with the rampant corruption this can't last long, it will eventually die. Only in the short to medium term may it affect. But I can't see it working. This is probably those election money making schemes that die a natural death. And then they can start filling up or exchanging their NOCK tanks at KK. Was thinking that too. If gova can't survive in industries where they are a monopoly like sugar, how will subsidies help them. The nock gas and may even be sold to omc to resell. It depends on how serious nock is about this but I don't have my hopes up. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,460
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mlennyma wrote:mlennyma wrote:,National Oil Corporation of Kenya (NOCK) is set to announce plans to cut its cooking gas package prices by over 60% (through a Government subsidy plan) to drive use of cleaner energy in poor households and using innovative access methods such as community kitchens. The state corporation aims to introduce 6.5m new cooking gas cylinders into Kenyan households over the next three years at a cost of KES 5.6bn annually (June 2017- 1.3m additional, June 2018- {+2.2m, June 2019 - +3.0m). A paltry 9% of Kenyan households use LPG, at an annual consumption of 70MT p.a. NOCK estimates latent/unrealized demand at 200MT p.a. Low cooking gas uptake in Kenya is attributable to a mix of factors, among them inadequate infrastructure, high cost of cooking and lighting equipment and a weak distribution network. NOCK will reduce prices for 3kg and 6kg cooking gas packages by 64% and 61% respectively. The project starts in July 2016 and will be financed through internally generated revenues, debt and capital injection from partners. Distribution of the cylinders will be done mostly through women and youth groups, an exercise expected to create employment opportunities for 1,500 to 2,000 women and youth groups. Kenya ranks among the lowest usage in Africa with a per capita consumption of 2kg, below the continent’s average of 3kg. Ghana per capita consumption is at 5kg, South Africa 6kg, Senegal 10kg and Ivory Coast 9kg. 97% of Kenyan households use traditional sources of cooking energy such as wood and charcoal. Kenya’s primary energy consumption mix is at 68% for biomass, 22% for petroleum and 9% for electricity. NOCK is a fully integrated State Corporation involved in all aspects of the petroleum supply chain covering the upstream oil and gas exploration, midstream petroleum infrastructure development and downstream marketing of petroleum products. , instead of partnering with other marketers to make kenyans embrace the use of cooking gas ,the government through nock plays dirty tricks to become a monopoly kind of ,this reminds me of a directive that all government vehicles must fuel at nock...the biggest threat to oil marketers is now definitely the government of kenya,how will other marketers counter this and still make their margins ?? They are targeting a different market. 3kg and 6kg cylinder. How many of you will switch to 3kg and 6kg cylinders because of the subsidy??? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,460
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And this subsidies business is always an avenue for corruption. The fellow who ate the maize money and the unga money now probably wants to eat gas money. Why don't they just eliminate all the taxes related to LPG and it will be cheap across the board??? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Aguytrying wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:@mlennyma. Do not worry, with the rampant corruption this can't last long, it will eventually die. Only in the short to medium term may it affect. But I can't see it working. This is probably those election money making schemes that die a natural death. And then they can start filling up or exchanging their NOCK tanks at KK. Was thinking that too. If gova can't survive in industries where they are a monopoly like sugar, how will subsidies help them. The nock gas and may even be sold to omc to resell. It depends on how serious nock is about this but I don't have my hopes up. This move explains why they have been shafting the current MS and want her out. Lucrative parastatal Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Othelo wrote:Aguytrying wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:@mlennyma. Do not worry, with the rampant corruption this can't last long, it will eventually die. Only in the short to medium term may it affect. But I can't see it working. This is probably those election money making schemes that die a natural death. And then they can start filling up or exchanging their NOCK tanks at KK. Was thinking that too. If gova can't survive in industries where they are a monopoly like sugar, how will subsidies help them. The nock gas and may even be sold to omc to resell. It depends on how serious nock is about this but I don't have my hopes up. This move explains why they have been shafting the current MS and want her out. Lucrative parastatal exactly si they chucked the Indian lady a few months ago. @maichblack has nailed it, why not make it cheap across the board? The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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@aguy, the weekly chart is looking weak for KK. Lower prices coming up. 12 handle barrier is rejecting any bullish move. If prices closes @11 or lower by Friday, the reversal will be solid with target at 10 zone. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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hisah wrote:@aguy, the weekly chart is looking weak for KK. Lower prices coming up. 12 handle barrier is rejecting any bullish move. If prices closes @11 or lower by Friday, the reversal will be solid with target at 10 zone. the beauty is that after the rally kk will be looking cheap to the eyes of many sub 10 unlike before. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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MaichBlack wrote:mlennyma wrote:mlennyma wrote:,National Oil Corporation of Kenya (NOCK) is set to announce plans to cut its cooking gas package prices by over 60% (through a Government subsidy plan) to drive use of cleaner energy in poor households and using innovative access methods such as community kitchens. The state corporation aims to introduce 6.5m new cooking gas cylinders into Kenyan households over the next three years at a cost of KES 5.6bn annually (June 2017- 1.3m additional, June 2018- {+2.2m, June 2019 - +3.0m). A paltry 9% of Kenyan households use LPG, at an annual consumption of 70MT p.a. NOCK estimates latent/unrealized demand at 200MT p.a. Low cooking gas uptake in Kenya is attributable to a mix of factors, among them inadequate infrastructure, high cost of cooking and lighting equipment and a weak distribution network. NOCK will reduce prices for 3kg and 6kg cooking gas packages by 64% and 61% respectively. The project starts in July 2016 and will be financed through internally generated revenues, debt and capital injection from partners. Distribution of the cylinders will be done mostly through women and youth groups, an exercise expected to create employment opportunities for 1,500 to 2,000 women and youth groups. Kenya ranks among the lowest usage in Africa with a per capita consumption of 2kg, below the continent’s average of 3kg. Ghana per capita consumption is at 5kg, South Africa 6kg, Senegal 10kg and Ivory Coast 9kg. 97% of Kenyan households use traditional sources of cooking energy such as wood and charcoal. Kenya’s primary energy consumption mix is at 68% for biomass, 22% for petroleum and 9% for electricity. NOCK is a fully integrated State Corporation involved in all aspects of the petroleum supply chain covering the upstream oil and gas exploration, midstream petroleum infrastructure development and downstream marketing of petroleum products. , instead of partnering with other marketers to make kenyans embrace the use of cooking gas ,the government through nock plays dirty tricks to become a monopoly kind of ,this reminds me of a directive that all government vehicles must fuel at nock...the biggest threat to oil marketers is now definitely the government of kenya,how will other marketers counter this and still make their margins ?? They are targeting a different market. 3kg and 6kg cylinder. How many of you will switch to 3kg and 6kg cylinders because of the subsidy??? I will. I use a 13kg tank but I will happily store it & use 6kgs at a discount. Plus I can always have a spare tank. In addition, the 3 & 6 kgs tank is useful for safaris! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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