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mlennyma
#21 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 4:36:51 PM
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whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mlennyma
#22 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 5:45:48 PM
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The first day after results Kk traded over 7.3 m shares with very huge volumes trading at 11.50,this shows the results met and surpassed investors expectations
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Aguytrying
#23 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 6:40:32 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


I'm not selling unless something irreversible happens to the company or management quality
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#24 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 6:42:05 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
The first day after results Kk traded over 7.3 m shares with very huge volumes trading at 11.50,this shows the results met and surpassed investors expectations


It is unreal to see kk printing 11.xy. U can think your looking at britam or barclays
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Spikes
#25 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 7:51:02 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
mlennyma
#26 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 8:51:13 PM
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Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,183
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Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
1masha
#27 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 10:17:51 PM
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Joined: 2/28/2014
Posts: 41
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

Spikes how can you be so optimistic and pessimistic at the same time?
If I may ask, what's your basis for coming up with those figures?
Good judgement is often the result of experience. Experience is often the result of bad judgement.
mlennyma
#28 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 10:44:58 PM
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Joined: 7/21/2010
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Location: nairobi
1masha wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

Spikes how can you be so optimistic and pessimistic at the same time?
If I may ask, what's your basis for coming up with those figures?

if you want to one time own a property or something big from the proceeds of the nse,avoid selling stocks which have no bad issues anytime you see a 3bob gain unless you have financial difficulties or you want to invest elsewhere ,i consider this as being too hungry
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Boris Boyka
#29 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 10:49:03 PM
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1masha wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

Spikes how can you be so optimistic and pessimistic at the same time?
If I may ask, what's your basis for coming up with those figures?

@ obiero once told me that spikes = QW and you will never understand him/her.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Boris Boyka
#30 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 11:36:33 PM
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Joined: 11/15/2013
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mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Aguytrying
#31 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2016 3:21:51 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
Boris Boyka wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.


How did the trading of kk go for you? What price did u buy sell, buy. During the Pendulum. Are u still holding the shares?
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Spikes
#32 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:09:45 AM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
Boris Boyka wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.


Your explaining agrees with me but you insist you don't! Saying YES and NO at the same time. Watermelon mentality: outside green surprisingly inside red!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Spikes
#33 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:11:27 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
Boris Boyka wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.


Your explaining agrees with me but you insist you don't! Saying YES and NO at the same time. Watermelon mentality: outside green surprisingly inside red! Wazua itakuWIPER.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Boris Boyka
#34 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2016 7:12:21 AM
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Joined: 11/15/2013
Posts: 1,977
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Aguytrying wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.


How did the trading of kk go for you? What price did u buy sell, buy. During the Pendulum. Are u still holding the shares?

By The last FY I had KK @ an average of 8.90 including commission. I sold All at 10.30. I re entered and my average is 8.25. I said it here openly the "2 years recovery period plus Simon Makonde theory' but I said I'll re enter @8.2 and below as there were all signs of it getting lower. Right now it may not go that low in near future so trading now is more tricky.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Boris Boyka
#35 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2016 7:18:14 AM
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Joined: 11/15/2013
Posts: 1,977
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Spikes wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.


Your explaining agrees with me but you insist you don't! Saying YES and NO at the same time. Watermelon mentality: outside green surprisingly inside red! Wazua itakuWIPER.

Of course you can't understand just like you can't be understood here by many. Wazua blue section is not a chat site to to give you popularity. A statement both mine and yours contain various points or perspectives and they're not to be adopted in entirety unless they all add up to the suppoters' thinking. When you come of Age you'll understand these things.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Aguytrying
#36 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2016 8:42:54 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
Boris Boyka wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.


How did the trading of kk go for you? What price did u buy sell, buy. During the Pendulum. Are u still holding the shares?

By The last FY I had KK @ an average of 8.90 including commission. I sold All at 10.30. I re entered and my average is 8.25. I said it here openly the "2 years recovery period plus Simon Makonde theory' but I said I'll re enter @8.2 and below as there were all signs of it getting lower. Right now it may not go that low in near future so trading now is more tricky.


You've done well for yourself, despite taking the risk of selling then waiting for it to go lower. When it reached 10 the second time how come you didn't sell, is the pendulum over or has it changed? This is where it becomes tricky to speculate, now the share is not predictable any more. In my wildest dreams I wouldn't have thought it will go above 11.00. I'm sure we've left behind many speculators from 10.00 going upwards. It's tricky for them now, do I sell? Is it going higher. It's mostly the long termers who will reap the full benefits in the end. I hope ull be one of the them. By the way my buying is over now unless it goes back below 9.00. So no longer the buyer but the holder
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#37 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2016 2:22:17 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,121
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Boris Boyka wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.

I keep it simple. I go the Warren Buffett way. I like to add to my position when it is cheap but hold it when it is fairly priced [& don't have an equivalent quality/potential option].

I did the 'swing trading' with Access. I thought I was the smartest guy. I would buy at 7-ish & sell at 8-ish. Then one day I sold most of them at 8-ish waiting for 7-ish. I was feeling smug at how clever I was. The price went up & up & while I watched... a takeover announced at 14/-. End of story for me.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
murchr
#38 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:44:07 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Boris Boyka wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.


How did the trading of kk go for you? What price did u buy sell, buy. During the Pendulum. Are u still holding the shares?


By The last FY I had KK @ an average of 8.90 including commission. I sold All at 10.30. I re entered and my average is 8.25. I said it here openly the "2 years recovery period plus Simon Makonde theory' but I said I'll re enter @8.2 and below as there were all signs of it getting lower. Right now it may not go that low in near future so trading now is more tricky.


It will still go down in this bear the share is currently expensive compared to peers
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mlennyma
#39 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2016 5:10:59 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,183
Location: nairobi
murchr wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.


How did the trading of kk go for you? What price did u buy sell, buy. During the Pendulum. Are u still holding the shares?


By The last FY I had KK @ an average of 8.90 including commission. I sold All at 10.30. I re entered and my average is 8.25. I said it here openly the "2 years recovery period plus Simon Makonde theory' but I said I'll re enter @8.2 and below as there were all signs of it getting lower. Right now it may not go that low in near future so trading now is more tricky.


It will still go down in this bear the share is currently expensive compared to peers

its a normal phenomena shares go up and down smile
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Spikes
#40 Posted : Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:31:07 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
VituVingiSana wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Been in this since 8/= and I'm not selling unless I see a crazy rally.The turnaround is complete and now it's all profits for the coming years.

capital gains aside for now, before I finish the final yr dividend,an interim will have been declared to keep me eating all year round,I saw something like 11.60 anything above 14 is very tempting so help me God to overcome temptations


When it hits 14 offload and relax. You will board @8 together with me!

i consider the exit commission /re-entry commission, monitoring and waiting for it to come down,not worth it let me just eat the full dividend, pesa ya sukuma sitaki

i don't mean @spikes is very right but let me give an illustration where i could have bought i KK shares in 2014 and monitor/trade and commisions @ 2.2%, keep in mind the pendulum
Buy 10000 shares @8.5 = 85000, Add
commission = 1785, Total = 86785
I could adopt any of these two:
A. Hold the 10000 shares up to now and bag a dividend of 3500/=(10K * 0.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1: 10 thus total shares will be 11000.
B. when the price gets to 10.30 i sell all of them
sell 10000 @ 10.30 = 103000, Subtract commission = 2266, cash = 100734
when the pendulum swings into action and price dips to 8'ish i buy again using the above amount; ( selling for a low re entry)
Buy 12300 @ 8 = 98400, Add commissions = 2164.8, Total = 100564.80
Bag a dividend of 4305/= (12.3k* o.35). Hold and hope for a bonus of 1:10 thus total shares will be 13530.
Moving forward who benefits more?
One has to keep in mind that there were all sings of Pendulum in KK which makes one trade in it. Just as @ murchr said on the other side. this may not apply to all stocks at all times.
No one is clever enough to beat the market, no single model is the only successful one in the stocks market but a method that profits the investor in that season is the workable model in that financial period.

I keep it simple. I go the Warren Buffett way. I like to add to my position when it is cheap but hold it when it is fairly priced [& don't have an equivalent quality/potential option].

I did the 'swing trading' with Access. I thought I was the smartest guy. I would buy at 7-ish & sell at 8-ish. Then one day I sold most of them at 8-ish waiting for 7-ish. I was feeling smug at how clever I was. The price went up & up & while I watched... a takeover announced at 14/-. End of story for me.


@VVS your experience with Access is learning lesson to me and everybody else who wants to be watchful on tricky price swings. Sweet corporate news and other positive economic developments can trigger unstoppable impulsive upward swings just leaving you salivating as other investors keep harvesting super profits.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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