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Socrates and Protagoras
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#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 10:10:19 PM
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Protagoras: Truth is relative. It is only a matter of opinion.

Socrates: You mean that truth is mere subjective opinion?

Protagoras: Exactly. What is true for you is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Truth is subjective.

Socrates: Do you really mean that? That my opinion is true by virtue of its being my opinion?

Protagoras: Indeed I do.

Socrates: My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you, Mr. Protagoras, are absolutely in error. Since this is my opinion, then you must grant that it is true according to your philosophy.

Protagoras: You are quite correct, Socrates.
tycho
#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 11:14:01 PM
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Interestingly the question of what truth is was in my mind some few hours ago. It was a sort of 'discovery' really.

Truth, is a state of being and or affairs, whose constituent components refer to the same thing and work to affirm that thing.
masukuma
#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 11:17:29 PM
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¿ wrote:
Protagoras: Truth is relative. It is only a matter of opinion.

Socrates: You mean that truth is mere subjective opinion?

Protagoras: Exactly. What is true for you is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Truth is subjective.

Socrates: Do you really mean that? That my opinion is true by virtue of its being my opinion?

Protagoras: Indeed I do.

Socrates: My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you, Mr. Protagoras, are absolutely in error. Since this is my opinion, then you must grant that it is true according to your philosophy.

Protagoras: You are quite correct, Socrates.

"Philosophy is dead" - Stephen Hawkings
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 11:22:16 PM
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masukuma wrote:
¿ wrote:
Protagoras: Truth is relative. It is only a matter of opinion.

Socrates: You mean that truth is mere subjective opinion?

Protagoras: Exactly. What is true for you is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Truth is subjective.

Socrates: Do you really mean that? That my opinion is true by virtue of its being my opinion?

Protagoras: Indeed I do.

Socrates: My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you, Mr. Protagoras, are absolutely in error. Since this is my opinion, then you must grant that it is true according to your philosophy.

Protagoras: You are quite correct, Socrates.

"Philosophy is dead" - Stephen Hawkings


I'd love to hear the reasons behind this assertion from you @masukuma. That is, why you agree with it...
masukuma
#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 11:32:21 PM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
¿ wrote:
Protagoras: Truth is relative. It is only a matter of opinion.

Socrates: You mean that truth is mere subjective opinion?

Protagoras: Exactly. What is true for you is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Truth is subjective.

Socrates: Do you really mean that? That my opinion is true by virtue of its being my opinion?

Protagoras: Indeed I do.

Socrates: My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you, Mr. Protagoras, are absolutely in error. Since this is my opinion, then you must grant that it is true according to your philosophy.

Protagoras: You are quite correct, Socrates.

"Philosophy is dead" - Stephen Hawkings


I'd love to hear the reasons behind this assertion from you @masukuma. That is, why you agree with it...

I knew this was coming.... Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
I did not assert anything... go ask Stephen Hawkins why he said that.. By the way Billy Nye (the science guy) and Neil Degrasse Tyson hold similar beliefs - you can find them on twitter and ask them "the reasons behind this [their] assertion[s]"
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
¿
#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 11:36:58 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
¿ wrote:
Protagoras: Truth is relative. It is only a matter of opinion.

Socrates: You mean that truth is mere subjective opinion?

Protagoras: Exactly. What is true for you is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Truth is subjective.

Socrates: Do you really mean that? That my opinion is true by virtue of its being my opinion?

Protagoras: Indeed I do.

Socrates: My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you, Mr. Protagoras, are absolutely in error. Since this is my opinion, then you must grant that it is true according to your philosophy.

Protagoras: You are quite correct, Socrates.

"Philosophy is dead" - Stephen Hawkings


I'd love to hear the reasons behind this assertion from you @masukuma. That is, why you agree with it...

I knew this was coming.... Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
I did not assert anything... go ask Stephen Hawkins why he said that.. By the way Billy Nye (the science guy) and Neil Degrasse Tyson hold similar beliefs - you can find them on twitter and ask them "the reasons behind this [their] assertion[s]"


I agree.
Quote:
Philosophy of science is a branch of philosophy concerned with the foundations, methods, and implications of science. The central questions of this study concern what qualifies as science, the reliability of scientific theories, and the ultimate purpose of science. This discipline overlaps with metaphysics, ontology, and epistemology, for example, when it explores the relationship between science and truth.

smile
tycho
#7 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:19:52 AM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
¿ wrote:
Protagoras: Truth is relative. It is only a matter of opinion.

Socrates: You mean that truth is mere subjective opinion?

Protagoras: Exactly. What is true for you is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Truth is subjective.

Socrates: Do you really mean that? That my opinion is true by virtue of its being my opinion?

Protagoras: Indeed I do.

Socrates: My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you, Mr. Protagoras, are absolutely in error. Since this is my opinion, then you must grant that it is true according to your philosophy.

Protagoras: You are quite correct, Socrates.

"Philosophy is dead" - Stephen Hawkings


I'd love to hear the reasons behind this assertion from you @masukuma. That is, why you agree with it...

I knew this was coming.... Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
I did not assert anything... go ask Stephen Hawkins why he said that.. By the way Billy Nye (the science guy) and Neil Degrasse Tyson hold similar beliefs - you can find them on twitter and ask them "the reasons behind this [their] assertion[s]"


I've read about Hawkings' statement... I had thought that either you were 'dropping' statements or you had developed your own thoughts. I was hoping it was the latter. Unfortunately so!
sitaki.kujulikana
#8 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:33:14 PM
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He was a fine footballer.


¿
#9 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:48:05 AM
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Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, how they are, and of things which are not, how they are not. - Protagoras

Socrates: So you believe that each man’s opinion is as good as anyone else’s.

Protagoras: That’s correct.

Socrates: How do you make a living?

Protagoras: I am a teacher.

Socrates: I find this very puzzling. You admit you earn money teaching, but I cannot imagine what you could possibly teach anyone. After all, you admit that each person’s opinion is as good as anyone else’s. This means that what your students believe is as good as anything you could possibly teach them. Once they learn that each person is the measure of all things, what possible reason would they have to pay you for any further lessons? How can you possibly teach them anything once they learn that their opinions are as true as yours?
tycho
#10 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2016 11:00:48 PM
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¿ wrote:
Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, how they are, and of things which are not, how they are not. - Protagoras

Socrates: So you believe that each man’s opinion is as good as anyone else’s.

Protagoras: That’s correct.

Socrates: How do you make a living?

Protagoras: I am a teacher.

Socrates: I find this very puzzling. You admit you earn money teaching, but I cannot imagine what you could possibly teach anyone. After all, you admit that each person’s opinion is as good as anyone else’s. This means that what your students believe is as good as anything you could possibly teach them. Once they learn that each person is the measure of all things, what possible reason would they have to pay you for any further lessons? How can you possibly teach them anything once they learn that their opinions are as true as yours?


The plot in Protagoras is that of Rumpelstiltskin.
¿
#11 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2016 3:15:06 AM
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tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, how they are, and of things which are not, how they are not. - Protagoras

Socrates: So you believe that each man’s opinion is as good as anyone else’s.

Protagoras: That’s correct.

Socrates: How do you make a living?

Protagoras: I am a teacher.

Socrates: I find this very puzzling. You admit you earn money teaching, but I cannot imagine what you could possibly teach anyone. After all, you admit that each person’s opinion is as good as anyone else’s. This means that what your students believe is as good as anything you could possibly teach them. Once they learn that each person is the measure of all things, what possible reason would they have to pay you for any further lessons? How can you possibly teach them anything once they learn that their opinions are as true as yours?


The plot in Protagoras is that of Rumpelstiltskin.


lol.
hardwood
#12 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2016 11:24:37 AM
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¿ wrote:
Protagoras: Truth is relative. It is only a matter of opinion.

Socrates: You mean that truth is mere subjective opinion?

Protagoras: Exactly. What is true for you is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Truth is subjective.

Socrates: Do you really mean that? That my opinion is true by virtue of its being my opinion?

Protagoras: Indeed I do.

Socrates: My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you, Mr. Protagoras, are absolutely in error. Since this is my opinion, then you must grant that it is true according to your philosophy.

Protagoras: You are quite correct, Socrates.


¿
#13 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2016 4:10:52 PM
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hardwood wrote:
¿ wrote:
Protagoras: Truth is relative. It is only a matter of opinion.

Socrates: You mean that truth is mere subjective opinion?

Protagoras: Exactly. What is true for you is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Truth is subjective.

Socrates: Do you really mean that? That my opinion is true by virtue of its being my opinion?

Protagoras: Indeed I do.

Socrates: My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you, Mr. Protagoras, are absolutely in error. Since this is my opinion, then you must grant that it is true according to your philosophy.

Protagoras: You are quite correct, Socrates.




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